New Requirement for plasm farming groups to help those who dont have it.

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Originally Posted by bloodbeat

It is truly questionable logic to introduce high-demand endgame content on a game that has a dwindling playerbase.
Especially when there doesn't seem to be any system of incentive to reward players to help others.
They should just throw in an npc or building that has some help wanted categories where players can register. Let the helpful players come and sign up to help those in need and let them earn some type of credit points they can spend on more tempting gear.
The difficulty is keeping is tempting because, like all other contents and adjustments, people chase the reward and then stop when they get it, and also implementing a way for players to congregate at short notice.
It would probably be easier to implement them into tomes/manuals or another in-zone point of contact that can warp you to the right place.

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Idea, if you form the party through some kind of ingame BBS a karma system that automatically increases your "contribution" and thus the rewards based on the relative level spread of the group.

I've always favorred this type of system since it fosters cooperative gameplay. Use it for other content as well, parties formed through the BBS against non-contribution based drops get tiers of TH for the duration of the party, etc. the logical placement for any such BBS would be near an AH.

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Originally Posted by SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses

Allow for 2 different forms of delve. An 18 man alliance delve, complete with NMs and all the plasmy goodness, or the ability to choose a 6 man delve. All NMs and boss would be locked out, drop plasm gain from normal monsters accordingly, and reduce difficulty to match.

18 people make 5.5~6k per run with a good group, 6 man would make somewhere between 1.5~3k per run. Then you can invite anyone you'd like.

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I don't even think a reduction in plasm is needed I mean for endgame groups who're gear well enough that would be able to push a 6 man party to that 5.5~6k range they'd also be able to go as an alliance and just take down the bosses with misc mobs for 70k+ runs.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I have no intention on ever dual-boxing (and at 1 time I was building not 1 but 7 characters on my account, now I have 1 character and 15 mules full of stuff). I'm sure I'm not the only one out there with no intention of owning 2 systems AND paying 2 sets of subscription fees, so that is not a viable answer.

What IS a viable answer, but it's too slow for most that are seeing people in Delve sets, grind reives and get a bayald weap. Do a few skirmish and get some skirmish gear. Bingo, you are now strong enough to do delve, and augmenting your delve gear will simply make you stronger for beating anything else. The bigger problem is going to be just where are you supposed to put all this stuff?

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Ignorance is bliss. Just because you aren't willing to do that doesn't mean others don't already do that.

I have 2 accounts, my other account is 3/6 on Delve KIs and has 0 Delve gear/weapons and still functions as a WHM or BRD, in many cases better than ones I've seen doing plasm farm runs via shout groups. I can think of 4 players in my LS who also have a 2nd account and we're a social LS that plays around in endgame via shout groups.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Let me tell you the horror stories, I joined parties who not only used my kis, but they also lotted on the +2s that was suppose to be locked. I've made parties where people left upon getting their item after taking hours just to get the right people.

Body seals can be done from repeatable quests. There are ways you can do many things solo you just need to take a closer look and read up on it. You also have the same ability to watch out for shouts like the rest of us. I've sat in town with bazaar up waiting for items to sell while watching shouts. Most of us also leveled multiple jobs to serve the many different occasions necessary. And I also saved Cruor to brew certain bosses. So there are many options.

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I've had the same thing where people use my KI's, lot and bail, I know not everyone in the game is like this, but I seem to run into quite a few pricks in this game. I've leveled numerous jobs, farmed KI's and shouted to get all my zone boss and caturae kills, I have been working on getting things, found a small group, and we have been doing things like limbus and meebles. I know about the repeatable quests, have read up on them, and done quite a few of them, but the RNG on it is horrible, and if you do happen to get a seal, you have what a 1/20 chance it's the seal you are after, I have my mog safe full of nothing but partial stacks of seals I have gotten from doing this. The truth is I don't really care about this game anymore, and I have to say most of the reason is because of the players. I know not all are bad, but enough to make not just me, but many others not resub. I'm really just wasting time until XIV comes out.

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

I've had the same thing where people use my KI's, lot and bail, I know not everyone in the game is like this, but I seem to run into quite a few pricks in this game. I've leveled numerous jobs, farmed KI's and shouted to get all my zone boss and caturae kills, I have been working on getting things, found a small group, and we have been doing things like limbus and meebles. I know about the repeatable quests, have read up on them, and done quite a few of them, but the RNG on it is horrible, and if you do happen to get a seal, you have what a 1/20 chance it's the seal you are after, I have my mog safe full of nothing but partial stacks of seals I have gotten from doing this. The truth is I don't really care about this game anymore, and I have to say most of the reason is because of the players. I know not all are bad, but enough to make not just me, but many others not resub. I'm really just wasting time until XIV comes out.

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Every MMORPG will have it's good share of bad people. Some jobs have terrible luck when it comes to dropping seals. I know It took me a long time to get some for Ninja but I think all jobs have that 1 that takes forever. My mog house also has several seals and +2s stacking up. But I know how you feel as certain things in the game can give a reason to either rage quit or lose interest.

But also you are dealing with an old community with several players who have been around many years that have already passed several of the other content and have done things people need help with over and over that we can't please everybody.

Atleast when you start FF14 everyone will be on the same level exploring together the new stuff rather than hanging with people who have "been there, done that" on several occasions. But that doesn't mean you won't run into a few pricks along the way.

I know I've helped so many do level limit break I've honestly lost count.

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

They aren't elitists for what they have, and what they have they did have help getting 9 times out of 10, but because they refuse to help others that started after they did.

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You'll probably find that most of the "elitists" do help out people who are worse off than they are. Yes, there are those a-holes out there who help no one if there's nothing in it for themselves.

But there is a BIG difference between agreeing to help you out, and accepting you into an event where there's already a high chance of failure. I do delves with newbs all the time. I've gone back and done NNI with several pickup groups even though I've had all my gear for a long time now. Couple months before SoA, I helped a couple groups get atmas in abyssea, and others get their KIs from city t1-4 VW. That's helping people out. But I will not allow a person in full AF1 and underleveled magian weapon into a delve NM farming party. I'd rather be rude to you and turn you down than rude to everyone else in my group by decreasing our chances at victory.

If your undergeared and/or inexperienced presence puts our chances of victory at risk, it's not helping you, it's inviting defeat. There are some things in the game that are difficult enough that every single person in the group needs to be able to pull their own weight, or the whole run will end in failure. You can choose to see them as an elitist, if you choose to, but they're attempting to protect the best interests of the majority.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

You'll probably find that most of the "elitists" do help out people who are worse off than they are. Yes, there are those a-holes out there who help no one if there's nothing in it for themselves.

But there is a BIG difference between agreeing to help you out, and accepting you into an event where there's already a high chance of failure. I do delves with newbs all the time. I've gone back and done NNI with several pickup groups even though I've had all my gear for a long time now. Couple months before SoA, I helped a couple groups get atmas in abyssea, and others get their KIs from city t1-4 VW. That's helping people out. But I will not allow a person in full AF1 and underleveled magian weapon into a delve NM farming party. I'd rather be rude to you and turn you down than rude to everyone else in my group by decreasing our chances at victory.

If your undergeared and/or inexperienced presence puts our chances of victory at risk, it's not helping you, it's inviting defeat. There are some things in the game that are difficult enough that every single person in the group needs to be able to pull their own weight, or the whole run will end in failure. You can choose to see them as an elitist, if you choose to, but they're attempting to protect the best interests of the majority.

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I'm not saying I want in while I am undergeared, I'm saying there are quite a few people that don't seem to understand getting to that point isn't as easy when it is not the main content in the game at that point. I was called a scrub the other day because I didn't have a delve weapon when I was in an abyssea party trying to cap my blue magic and getting merits, I call people like that elitist, and a prick. If you aren't one of those people, I wasn't referring to you. My bard has full af3 mix of +1 and +2, but I get turned away from delve because I don't have an empy harp, that isn't someithing I call soloable.

People who ask for things like Arise or an Emp Harp, yes, I will agree, are elitist, because the advantages to such things are minor. The same thing goes for people insulting you for not having a Delve weapon when in a worm party, which is funny yet sad, because it shows how stupid some people are in my opinion.

What they should do is make the KI's from Naakuals and delve NMs purchasable with large amounts of bayld, as well as making it so you can exchange bayld for small amounts of plasm. Maybe then people will care about colonization again.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Idea, if you form the party through some kind of ingame BBS a karma system that automatically increases your "contribution" and thus the rewards based on the relative level spread of the group.

I've always favorred this type of system since it fosters cooperative gameplay. Use it for other content as well, parties formed through the BBS against non-contribution based drops get tiers of TH for the duration of the party, etc. the logical placement for any such BBS would be near an AH.

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Indeed. When you reward players to help others you end up building a less toxic community. The way this game is going soon there will be a few with all delve weapons, another few with some delve and having problems to find players to get more plasm farms because those who have all dont have a reason to keep going for strangers and those unfotunate that never experienced delve will only know about it from youtube videos because no one is willing to give them a chance if they didn't have already a delve weapon magically inserted in their accounts when they started the game.

SE has to address this immediately before the first batch of players get everything and stop doing that. This gaming community is smaller each day and getting things done is becoming harder and harder.

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Originally Posted by Vizzer

I'm not saying I want in while I am undergeared, I'm saying there are quite a few people that don't seem to understand getting to that point isn't as easy when it is not the main content in the game at that point. I was called a scrub the other day because I didn't have a delve weapon when I was in an abyssea party trying to cap my blue magic and getting merits, I call people like that elitist, and a prick. If you aren't one of those people, I wasn't referring to you. My bard has full af3 mix of +1 and +2, but I get turned away from delve because I don't have an empy harp, that isn't someithing I call soloable.

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Speaking as a BRD no one has once asked if I have Dharp/Ghorn. Sometimes someone makes a shout for "3-4 song bard" for the all NM+boss runs but atm for KI and plasm farm no one has asked me for that. I dunno. Maybe your server is different but for me saying "BRD do you need it" is pretty much auto-invite.