Again before you judge, tell us how much exp per hour people can obtain??? Stop avoiding the question if you are going to debate with someone. Answer me how much exp total including every blue box chest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
And this was never about 1-99, this was about 30-99. The main point of the entire comment before you decided to troll me was the fact that allowing people to level to 99 this fast is what ruined the game.
FFXI needs some more new content then just delve
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06-17-2013, 09:37 AMDaemon
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06-17-2013, 10:28 AMSlaxx
You never asked how much xp could be obtained. I'm not avoiding anything. I said it before, editing your posts after I respond doesn't make you look right, it makes you look desperate to be right. 315k/hr to get from 30-99. That is an indisputable number (please try, I'm always up for a laugh). You never said from 30 - 99, you said to get to 99 (unless of course you've been editing your posts, I wouldn't be surprised).
To answer the question you finally asked I've worked my way up close to 250k/hr (starting from 30) in abyssea. The average tends to fluctuate a bit as people leave and new people enter, new people's lights aren't as high, xp chests dwindle for a while and then pick back up, etc. The reality is in a straight run from 30 - 99 you'll probably average between 200 and 250k per hour. Can you get more? Probably. But living in the "real world" and not some ideal fantasy where everyone else in the party is working specifically to get you to 99 as quickly as possible that's probably about as good as you're likely to get.
I'm not judging you, I'm saying you are wrong.
You are spreading blatant misinformation, I am correcting it.
I am not trolling, I'd say I have better things to do right now but I don't. If I wanted to troll you I would make outrageous claims that can't be verified, oh wait, that's what your doing. -
06-17-2013, 10:40 AMDaemonYou are trolling, when I edit I didn't change any of my words, I only added stuff trying to reply to your several comments,Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
You went around the point to debate with me rather looking at the poin (omg i mispelled point but editing to fix it makes me pathetic) of my original comment, that abbysea ruined the game when people can level to 99 so fast, that's why I laid down other things like how gear in AH became useless.
Bid deal if I'm off by a few hours according to your average this wasn't about 6 hours 8-12 hours, point is people can reach 99 in 1 day leading to the original posts statement that SE needs to give us new content. -
06-17-2013, 10:56 AMSlaxx
You did change your words. You have added things to your posts on more than one occasion to make it appear as though I am being evasive when I respond to you. You are the one hung up on leveling to 99, that was only one of many issues I addressed in my first lengthy response to you. I have continued debating that point because that was the only one you seemed willing to continue to defend.
Vast amounts of gear on the AH has always been useless. Again nothing has changed in that regard since before abyssea. Every time a new expansion (or event such as Legion, Meebles, VW etc.) is introduced some old equipment becomes obsolete as new things are introduced. Progress happens, you can move along with it or stagnate.
I will repeat myself from my original post: either you didn't play before abyssea or you are viewing the past of this game through rose-colored glasses.
Or the third option: you are deliberately being obtuse.
Edit: And once again while I am typing my post you edit and add more to the post I'm responding too. I'm going get a couple hours sleep. Maybe when I get up you'll have some intellectual consistency in your argument and not feel the need to continue to edit yourself. -
06-17-2013, 11:02 AMDaemon
Again no, I didn't change my words, I corrected some of the misspellings, added more than a quick 2 line reply. Seriously you are the worst troll I've encountered-
Wasting perfectly good Forum space debating and defending myself to someone sitting on the judge throne. -
06-17-2013, 11:18 AMDaemonFirst you say it's flat out impossible and that I'm a bull shitter. Can people get more exp? Probably was your answer. Am I really outrageously that much off from your 315k per hour goal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Here let me ask u this, is it impossible to have a party of 14 people level 99, Sam, War, Mnk, Dark, Blm, other jobs etc 3 keyers, delve weapons and gear- and gain 300k per hour for sure?
Because I want to know for sure that the judge has a right title title me an absolute bull shitter.
(Stupid iphone autocorrect but again I'm pathetic if I delete the 2 title up above)
Warning I'm going to add more now that I got the next record up.
I'm not thinking about people leaving and exp fluctuation because the majority of parties I've lead people stayed for several hours without leaving. -
06-17-2013, 12:44 PMDaemon
Let me conclude everything I was saying before getting trolled. This is not about "before abbysea, before anything, this is my opinion of the results that happened after such expansions/ new content were released.
1. It's possible to level to 99 in 1 day. Because of abyssea.
2. It's possible to earn 5-9k plasm per delve party, it's possible to get Ki from Boss in 1 day, it's possible to earn 30k plasm and yes it can all be done on the same day. Because of Adoulin.
3. Why spend several weeks due to dyna being 1 per day until JP midnight to farm relic base weapon, farm currency etc when delve weapon surpass in dmg and stats?
4. Why spend several months doing assault, salvage, einherjar, Nyzul, znm etc, farm a base weapon and unlock mythic? Ws can be unlocked if you complete floor 100 nyzul and earn 250 ws points with a samurai doing level 3 skillchains. (Irrelevant because of Delve?)
5. After Abbysea was released people did not need to depend on mages for refresh and heals due to Regen/refresh atmas, temp items. (Certain jobs like RDM were not needed as much as before the release)
6. 18 man alliance "use" to be limited to big boss events, people did not use alliances for the purpose of obtaining exp. However GoV allowed people to gain exp fast from completing pages becoming an everyday thing.
7. HNM events stopped after SE changed bosses from time spawn into trigger spawns. (Regardless of the flaw with delay in claiming boss or hacks, the event was officially killed when items were either changed to rare/ex or trigger spawn)
8. Skirmish either became irrelevant or highly unpopular after Delve was released.
9. Why spend hours farming gil, doing VW gear as first priority when you can do a day of Reives, complete 15 tags earning 1,800 bayld for every 3 tags (not including the amount you earn from reives itself) to get a decent gear set from coalition officer than spending days, weeks, months getting VW/ other gear that u can obtain later?
10. Food "still" makes a difference, it's plus extra stats added on top of your atmas, temp items, stats that you don't have when you choose not to invest gil and buy it.
(Edit: Leveling most of the job in abby, people do get use to the temp items and atma buffs therefore some people, not all, have in mind that why spend gil on food when atma/temps give enough boost in stats, dmg anyways, this is why i said earlier this promotes laziness)
Whatever amount of time it took to get things done before delve release can now be done even faster than before. Faster kills, faster play, it's really a no brainer.
Wanna troll me? Who's next?
*And yes i will go back and add things that come to mind especially when its hard to reply on the fly using a cellphone at work rather than sitting at home and having the real time to read over trolling comments and defending myself to why i stated my personal opinions in the first place and instead of starting a whole new reply thread, id rather safe space to add additional replies the to the comment ive already started. For one you don't need to flat out say someone is wrong when someone is stating an opinion on how they see things, its part of everyday communication and dont be surprised when people edit what they wrote, all journalists, writers, bloggers, whoever need to edit things to correct mispelling, however i did not go back and change any of my opinions to make it look i am right, otherwise i would have gone back and changed the comments where i made a mistake in reading the exp calculations*
[Never do i expect any person in the world to fully agree to what comments i make, and i know people will disagree regardless, but i have been playing FFXI long enough to have a decent amount of opinions, doesnt mean i dont know anything]
New content always changes the gameplay and I'm not complaining at all but changing the gameplay is one thing, making the gameplay allow people to fly through storylines, levels, missions, quests, or releasing overpowered items that make all other content worthless , irelevent or whatever you want to call it leads to posts like these where people will suggest adding even more new content.
*Imagine if players in FF14 could level to max level in 1 day or any other game? Do you not think that this kind of ability allows people to play the game too fast?* -
06-17-2013, 01:10 PMSpectreman
They need to make abyssea +1/+2 much easier. They need to lessen the cost of basic bayld gear. They need to make skirmish more interesting.
When all that is done the gap between players will lessen and delve could become more entertaining without only "best possible setups" parties. -
06-17-2013, 06:09 PMDuelleOld content is old. FFXI players are among the few who can't leave old content be and instead demand the old content be made relevant. That's how we got the sad display of caving by the devs with RME. In any other game relics would have been relegated to status items that look cool. Which is okay if your progression model is designed around tiered content (which is the direction SE is trying to go with XI).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
Again, status item.Quote:
4. Why spend several months doing assault, salvage, einherjar, Nyzul, znm etc, farm a base weapon and unlock mythic? Ws can be unlocked if you complete floor 100 nyzul and earn 250 ws points with a samurai doing level 3 skillchains. (Irrelevant because of Delve?)
From a practical standpoint it shows how stupid design behind Mythic acquisition was.
RDM clinging to a shitty gimmick to justify its spot in a party was not all you crack it up to be. I looked at it as a chance to wipe the slate clean and give us a chance to go in a better direction. Then the chance was squandered when AF3 came out as it did and Tanaka returned.Quote:
5. After Abbysea was released people did not need to depend on mages for refresh and heals due to Regen/refresh atmas, temp items. (Certain jobs like RDM were not needed as much as before the release)
Not a bad thing, as the entirety of level progression is killing crap, and the largest timesink related to that was not the amount of exp required to level, but the time wasted looking for a damn party and then getting to camp.Quote:
6. 18 man alliance "use" to be limited to big boss events, people did not use alliances for the purpose of obtaining exp. However GoV allowed people to gain exp fast from completing pages becoming an everyday thing.
Which was welcomed by more than just a few individuals. Or did you forget all the "fuck HNM, this is how all events should be".Quote:
7. HNM events stopped after SE changed bosses from time spawn into trigger spawns. (Regardless of the flaw with delay in claiming boss or hacks, the event was officially killed when items were either changed to rare/ex or trigger spawn)
Poor timing and poor control by the devs. I'll admit, they screwed up majorly. Then again, Adoulin's design as a whole is wanting.Quote:
8. Skirmish either became irrelevant or highly unpopular after Delve was released.
Old content is old. Voidwatch was crap anyways, so I still say good riddance.Quote:
9. Why spend hours farming gil, doing VW gear as first priority when you can do a day of Reives, complete 15 tags earning 1,800 bayld for every 3 tags (not including the amount you earn from reives itself) to get a decent gear set from coalition officer than spending days, weeks, months getting VW/ other gear that u can obtain later?
Considering the only way to make money in the current game is selling dynamis currency, maybe it's for the best.Quote:
10. Food "still" makes a difference, it's plus extra stats added on top of your atmas, temp items, stats that you don't have when you choose not to invest gil and buy it.
New content makes old content obsolete. I still don't understand why some of you here struggle with that concept. -
06-17-2013, 06:23 PMDaemon
Now that i have the proper time to re-evaluate what i skimmed over due to being busy at work (its not easy to read all of your comments when i have less than 5 minutes to figure out what song im going to play next for the crowd, then i have to spend about 30 seconds to match bpm and set loop points)
but anyways let me correctly reply to your post now that you have my full attention and do know that alot of my statements are not 100% spot on point due to the fact that there are alot of things that can change the aspect of the situations we are discussing however when i said something earlier, it was just a quick estimation from a point of view of having all gears HQ, uses HQ Food, uses Emperor Band, Has all warps, and neccessities and is a person who does not waste any time but knows how to get to places fast and accomplish things at the fastest pace possible)
True no one can level to 99 in 6 hours starting at level 1. Possibly it could take about an hour or more or less to reach level 10 depending on what gear you are wearing, If you are an HQ freak who likes to carry around HQ gear and weapons of every level leading up to 10 or good equipment like leaping boots etc, use food + Emperor band and if you have someone to PL you or not, if you are using GoV Buffs from NPC and depending on what job and subjob you are using its hard to say how long it will take to reach level 10. There's also strategy involved when it comes to leveling fast, are you the person who moves on to harder mobs just because it gives you highest exp or do you linger around the lower exp mobs because you can gain faster exp from consistency over time from killing stuff without resting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Edit: I love using /Cor for Corsairs Roll when Im soloing to level 15 on my own.
Likewise its hard to know how long it will take to level from 10-30 in gusgen mines depending if the player has VW warp that allow you to warp there or does the player need to get a teleport or walk, and how far it is from the persons home nation. Does the player already have the gears needed so they do not need to run back to town every few levels?
Personally i already have all vw warps, HQ gears, Weapons saved so when i need to level another new job, i dont need to waste any time trying to buy it, or waiting for it to appear in AH when its not there. When I went to gusgen mines, I carried gears up til level 30 with me so i never had to return to town to get them.
And you are correct that a person could level to 99 between 12-18 hours (And i will admit that i did not read that part, but only had the time to read the part where you said "Nobody can level to 99 in 6 hours. That is complete bullshit and everyone knows it.")
Now let me also elaborate on this and do know that I did not intend to get into such detail over leveling to 99 topic, my intention was that people can level a job to 99 too fast that other negative points come to play such as AH gear being irrelevant etc: I said Abbysea ruined FFXI when it allowed players to FC their way to 99 in 6 hours. In order to even play Abbysea, you need to be level 30 to enter, therefore my statement was not 1-99, it was 30-99.
If you enter worm camp party as a keyer at level 30, with all players already maxed lights, exp etc, that means blue boxes will be highest Tier and there is no wait time on gaining exp through chests. I said 500exp earlier because that was a quick general idea of the majority of capped exp parties from what ive seen, however, Ive also seen 600 exp per kill.
Now here is my opinion: This all depends on what type of party you are joining, is it a slow party or a fast party with good leaders who are paying attention to see if anyone is afking, or not doing their job killing, keying whatever. Do the members in your party stay the full time or do they leave?
The parties ive led, no one leaves because im on top of everyone, making sure no one afk more than 5 minutes, at the most ill let someone afk 10 minutes. Always communicating in private tells to other leaders to check on members who afk too long, telling them to invite people when someone leaves, always checking to see if new people entered with flag up making sure to write down who asked to join party next so that i can fairly invite those who waited first.
Before the SCH nerf, i always had embrava slave who could give the entire party buff, we killed so fast that we actually had to wait for worm to respawn, everyone running around searching both sides of the map.
At 600 exp per worm, an 18 man alliance would have to kill 525 worms to reach your 315k exp quota. And thats not including how much exp you earned from blue chests. Yes i understand that mobs have a respawn timer, but that doesnt play a major role in what im explaining because respawn timer starts upon death and its not worth the time to explain opinions over this, lets just keep it simple
But on a side note (And please bare with me) according to Wiki there are 22 worms at worm camp, i dont know the respawn timer however if the respawn of each worm was 5 minutes, and all 22 worms respawned every 5 minutes, that would be 12 sets of 22 worms which is a total of 264 worms times by 600 exp per kill would give you a total of 158,400 exp from mobs alone.
If the respawn time was 3 minutes per worm, then that would mean 22 worms respawning every 3 minutes in 1 hour would be 20 sets of 22 at 600 exp per kill you would gain 264,000 exp. thats also not including the amount of exp you gained from blue chests.
but we all know that its hard to make hard point calculations because you cant tell when each worm will be killed, could take over a minute, or 30 seconds etc....
The point i'm getting at, is it really impossible to earn 315k exp per hour? Even so, was i totally outrageously off about my quick calculations of leveling to 99 in 6 hours enough of a reason to be spending this much time debating over when the Exclusive main point in general was the fact that abbysea allowing people to level to 99 extremely fast ruined the game from my point of view?
I dont know much about DD to get into full detail but i will say that there are several players who can 1 shot worms, can self skillchain, can attack so fast due to haste gear, buffs, embrava ect. And now with delve weapons dmg stats is almost double that the previous weapons.
My beastmaster in abby can 1 shot worms with ruinator before delve and yet i still dont have adoulin/delve gear for bst. The reason i am bringing this up is because, it all depends on does the player have the right atmas, is using HQ food? Does the player have quests done that add +10 stats to cruor buffs? Belt/Gorget? Increase elemental WS damage gears? always have temps up?
Ok how is this an argument? When FFXI was first released in the USA, there was no abbysea no GoV, so BLM was part of the 6 man party because spells were used to Magic burst after skillchain. The job was not unwanted back then, how would it be unwanted for level sync parties? Sometimes when WHM was impossible to get, I had to be a healer rather than nuker on BLM, yes we were required to make such sacrifices back then. If you could not find a WHM, then having RDM, BLM share healing duty was part of compromising rather than not gain any exp at all. Sometimes little exp was better than no exp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
The basic setup we had back then was 3DD, 3 mages, usually a tank, a 2nd DD, a thief, BLM, RDM, BRD or WHM. It all depends on what skillchains, ws, what level, what jobs can accomplish certain tier ws, and if the weapons used can create that skillchain.
BST was known as a solo job back then as it still known today.
You can give a million reasons not to progress and complain about not being invited or unwanted but the hard true fact is if you want something done you need to do it yourself..
I never waited hours in town to "get invited" to a party, if people didnt need the job im playing, i took the initiative to shout in town that i was making the party, i needed these specific jobs, and if it wasn't available, i compromised and had different ways to setup a group. Networking and adding several people to be your friend made a big difference, that way when you needed a job, you could ask people in ls, or on your friendslist to come play the job you needed. So this arguement to me doesnt make sense. But ok not everyone has the drive or the ability to take action and you shared your opinion, ive shared mine so we know that not everyone can do the same things as others.
I never said anything about doing GoV until 70-75 in Gusgen mines, However ive seen a rare few people stay til about level 50, maybe because they didnt know about Crawlers nest? The point is, people can do Gusgen mines to level 30 and move straight into Abbysea. And if you read my post earlier, this wasnt even a point i made, I said that because of GoV, 6 man parties turned into 18 man alliances therefore (Skillchain/Magic burst Era was killed)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Edit: Also the fact that after GoV, most places we were use to leveling at became dead and unpopular, Who levels in Dunes anymore? Qufim island? Maze of Shakarami? Before we use to level to 10 outside of home nation, then either travel to Dunes or Tahrongi canyon depending on where your homenation was and how difficult or time consuming it was to walk to dunes, and after reaching level 18 we use to level up in Qufim island which introduced us all to Jeuno, and the ease of setting homepoint, doing chocobo quest, etc..
Seriously? And you are assuming that i never played FFXI pre Abbysea? I never said Skillchains in general dont exist, however the whole Skillchain and do a magic burst parties that we use to have was killed because of the 18 man alliance concept. (Again repeating what i said already)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
How does BLM have limited pool of MP compared to before Abbysea? At 99, BLM can subjob RDM for convert+ refresh, corsair and bard which is highly invited to delve can give you refresh also.
Again valuable 101 basics that should have been learned at lower levels.... Its because SE spoiled us with the ability to do things easier is why people don't spend the time and effort today to learn the job to the fulliest to overcome basic obstacles such as these that we so learned back then when you actually had an entire level to play around with your abilites not relying on quick buffs and temps learning your limits and what you can do, learning the pace of what needs to be done. Giving players a good reason to go back and think again how they can be better at the job or role they are playing with.
Today is about 18 people, I will never change my words when i say there is no real skill in gangbanging stuff to death with big groups. Low man party requires more focus, strategy, teamwork on a much higher level than bigger groups. Today in 18 man parties most people can get by not even doing alot of work compared to a low man party accomplishing the win.
Example:
Arc Dyna Lord, Obviously 18 people can destroy it, But i would be impressed to see a 6 man party defeat than an 18 man party.
As a person who played BLM back then before abyssea, You had Summoner Subjob to give you 1 MP per tick, food skill 50+ you could make juices.
Is that a surprise? Us mages back then had to actually skillup our food and carry synthesis materials to make juices for ourselves, it was a big + in getting invites when you showed leaders of exp party that you can be a better benefit than those who were not as prepared. RDM was relied upon for refresh and has convert, can magic burst with lower tier spells, And I had RDM, WHM, BLM leveled up so in case a job was lacking, I could play the role that was needed. (Several people, not just me, did the same exact thing, leveled extra jobs in case parties didnt need the job you wanted to play)
Its not because of limited MP pool because there is more than enough gear, jobs with refresh spells, AH items, weapons such as Hvelgamir emp which can give up to 1k MP at 300TP today compared to back then.
It is however because its impossible to organize a skillchain / magic burst in an 18 man alliance when you have several other people either using ws, casting magic or lowering the hp of the mob to the point where you wont even be able to finish the skillchain or obtain magic burst bonus. And when someone tosses in a WS before the one that is organized, the skillchain will no longer work.
Skillchain / Magic Burst require Coordination, each member needs to also know how to do it within the 3 second average window.
And BLM Should be conserving MP for Magic burst if its a true Skillchain/Magic burst setup rather than waste MP nuking.
You would know that the worst BLM in a low man party was the type that sits there and nuke highest tier spells on mobs trying to be a 1 man show rather than deal light damage with lower tier spells over time so that the tanker could keep hate.
Gee, this is why i said people are missing out on the basic 101 stuff you are suppose to be learning at the lower levels.....
Thank you for complimenting on my point, the fact that people are spoiled with Temp items, who needs food?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Now let me comment on this. A good player will use food regardless, Why? Its extra stats added that you dont have! Big deal you have temp items and atmas.. Little things add up to create greater outcomes.
Then people wonder why certain players deal massive amounts of damage compared to others >.>
Edit: Its because people rely on temp items in Abby during the majority of the leveling process to 99 that many players became accustomed to playing without food and when players show up to events outside of VW/Abbysea not using food, this can change the outcome of the battle.
Laziness is a choice, and can add up on many levels especially when you are spoiled with things such as free buffs and free temp items.
Back in the day we all carried food, in fact people would criticize if you didn't.
We never had temp items so we had to really focus on our jobs better than today, how we can conserve mp, what gear can give you faster recovery, how DDs can have higher accuracy, deal better dmg, be a better tank.
And because temp items spoiled everyone, many people stopped buying food, therefore crafters no longer felt the need to put these things up in AH anymore because they cant sell. So whats the point in having craft recipes for things people no longer need?
Im not saying "No one crafts anymore" but certain adjustments devalued the purpose of many things that use to be available or needed. Why even have those recipes anymore if there is no purpose of having it?
My point wasnt about what level you can wear Perle/Aurore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Here is my point:
Crafters who made armor and sold equipment for gil got canned when Abyssea was released. Because players could level massively fast, a good majority of gear became irrelevant.
Why invest in gear that you wont wear for long when your level will exceed past the req level to equip it if you are exping in abby? Therefore instead of buying gear that crafters made, people are buying gear that is sold at Abbysea NPC such as Perle/ Aurore.
How many people show up to abby naked? Because as a keyer, you dont need gear, your not dealing damage, you are just walking around opening boxes all day. And by the time you reach 78, you already have enough cruor to buy Perle/Aurore.
Where as:
Back in the day, you actually had to farm gil and invest in your gear, and because leveling wasn't as quick as abyssea, you actually could enjoy the gear you bought for several levels.. Some people took a week break just to farm enough gil to buy impressive gear that made a whole new difference.
True i am making an assumption but people tend to do that when you are camping a spot pretty often and notice certain details. Can i prove it? No but I can have an opinion over the matter after seeing certain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
For one, this was WoE, a money making spot. 2, When you see more than 8 people the same exact job, in a party, wearing the same exact gear that is from abbysea and not gear that is actually invested from gil, have names that dont make any sense, and after seeing those people over several weeks with the same gears, yet you see thier names in AH selling 2mil+ items all the time, it makes you wonder if the person is in fact a RMT. Especially when they never toss you a heal, or do anything to help others other than rush in a engage fight for the fact that in WoE you need to deal massive amounts of dmg to qualify for max drops and exp.
and gee summoner, wearing pluvialle? what happend to AF? Not that pluvialle is a bad piece of gear but i can understand 1 or 2 people in the same party wearing it, but whole entire group of more than 6 people?
Well PLers do not AFK in parties, they afk outside of parties... unless they have a low level job in the party that they are PLing but we all know that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
My point was not about PLers afking in parties, the point i made earlier was the fact that Ive seen so many people Dual Box more than 1 character. Its situations like these that can cause alot of problems for others. Especially when the PLer leaves and takes almost the entire party with them..
If you joined an abby party do you think its fair for the entire alliance if 1 person has more than 3+ characters in party parked leeching exp? Ive seen someone with 6 characters, thats a whole party doing nothing while we are all working our butts off trying to exp.
Returning players need gear, yes i get that. But the flaw of the system i was referring to is that people can choose to skip alot of the content now, and obtain endgame stuff without as much effort being that delve doesnt require you to wait days, or spend massive amounts of gil. Or endless amounts of quest to gain access to Delve like it is with R/E/M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
As a mage class, You can do colonization reives, earn bayld from doing Clear the way, using 3 tags, nets you 1800 bayld every 3 tags, and you hold up to 15 max at npc. You can earn even more bayld during the participation of reives by healing, enhancing, etc.. A person could earn enough bayld in 1 day to buy atleast 2-3 pieces of gear.
Orvail set has highest INT/Magic Accuracy compared to any other gear before Adoulin release, therefore having just this set alone is powerful enough for any mage to participate in Delve.
As for Gil compared to earning Bayld/Plasm, this is the issue, you actually need time to farm stuff, sell things and earn gil, where as plasm you just join and kill stuff and earn it at a faster rate than gil being that a good delve party can earn up to 5-9k plasm per run. If you play delve all day and do more than 6 runs, a person could already have enough plasm to buy a delve item if the person has ki.
Now compare that with how much time and gil it cost to buy or farm things such as 30,000 Alexandrite, Umbral Marrow, 10,000 Byne Bill, 1,500 Heavy Metal Plate?
I never assumed everyone has VW done to begin with, also how is this related to my argument? Sorry its already past 4am, so forgive me if I do not scroll back up to re read previous things. However:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
My arguement was about the fact that it took more time to do vw, that you need to wait on stones, do VW climbs, follow the story line, and by the time you get all climbs done, and have access to PW, as a mage who obtained Plenitas Virga staff for my SCH, being that the INT was high which is good for Shattersoul. I find it disappointing that Soothsayer staff has better stats and easier to get than Plenitas Virga.
Why use Plenitas Virgas that has only 98 damage compared to Soothsayer staff that has 145 base dmg? It too has INT and with upgrades in rank you can surpass the INT of Plenitas Virga?
Just the same as people with relic, mythic, emp, who found it overwhelmingly disappointing that they had to spend several weeks, months, some "(I know this is funny) Years" and massive amounts of gil for their weapon only to be replaced with something more powerful that can be obtained in 1 day.
We all heard about delve before it came out, its not hard to prep for an event on the first day of release. I just happened to be lucky to join a group of EU players who were massively well equipped and the leader of the party knew what he was doing. Following FFXIAH forums and ingame players conversations, its not hard to figure out what to do and where to go..Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
You say its impossible, Im telling you its not. Why? There is restriction on Delve? Only leader needed to have quest done to purchase ki to enter us in, and how many players already had that done before delve was implemented?
When I joined this EU group we didnt farm plasm, we went straight for the bosses. Everyone was able to get Ki and plasm from defeating the boss. And yes we spammed all day.. BGWiki was a big help, very quick to post information about what kis we needed, what items, etc..
Then players were complaining that the devs made Delve way too easy to obtain the overpowered gear at such a short time span, did SE not throw us an update so that we cant kill boss straight away?
Am i wrong for saying that people level too fast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Let me make this more clear in detail rather than a quick response:
There are certain people, not all that:
1. Find out they can level extremely fast from 30 to 99 in abby.
2. Can join FC party and leech their way to 99.
3. Dont know how to Skillchain, Self skillchain, Carry several different sets of gear and utilize those gears during exp parties/events.
4. Only use 1 set of gear and ws in that same gear rather than wear TP/Haste equipment and switch over to WS gear to improve thier dmg.
5. We already agreed that alot of people dont use food, so i wont even go there again...
6. Dont know how to cure a person who is slept by mobs to wake that person up.
7. Who carry -pdt gear in case its needed during a situation when there is a lack of healing power, Tanker died, or when the person such as a mage generated so much hate from a spell that the mob turned on them and DD or tanker has a hard time reclaiming hate fast enough to save that person.
8. Who doesnt cap skills and expect to participate in end game events and wonder why they cant land a spell or miss on mobs, refuses to pay the high price in skill up food and take the time to actually skill up before joining such events.
Do i really need to continue?
It's the training you learn in exp parties that effect how you play at events.
Do you really think the Army, Airforce, Navy etc will send out troops into battle without having the most thorough training of every aspect of war from survival to battle?
Heres a quick example: You are the only white mage in party healing the DD in your group, 1 person who is so self centered only wants to wear full damage dealing gear rather than observe the situation and the fact that you as the whm are losing mp way too fast on just healing that one DD leading to the result of having to pause every now and then and wait for you to recover.
Would it not make sense to sacrifice some dmg by wearing -pdt gear to take less dmg helping your healer use less MP so there is less downtime?
Ive been in this situation way to many times to count to be here now writing about this issue. It happens everyday, common sense training had you spent the time to figure this out during the lower levels of exping in low man groups.
Its responses like these that doesnt deserve the attention that ive given, taking the time to go over our discussion and properly answer you back. However ill be the better person and get over it and move on just as you suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaxx
Played since Day 1 of USA release, so obviously after the majority of our discussion was about how to level to 99 in 1 day is more than enough proof to tell you that I have 99 jobs.
I dont own alt accounts, I am an oldschool player, and 110% legit that doesnt take cheap shortcuts, and do things half way. I am one of the very rare few that is an HQ fanatic, always carries food, never afk more than 5 minutes, never commit to an event that i cant put my full participation and effort in, I dont have a dual box character, I dont play as a selfish selfgain person, always committed to helping others, if someone helps me, i always return the favor, I dont buy Gil online, I dont use people, Im not greedy, If camping for a rare with someone together, i always stay til that person gets what we both came for, and if the time doesnt allow us, I always offer to go back and spend the time to help them get what they wanted, I never purposely dc during any event regardless of the occassion, I never depend on other people and do my utmost to be self independant in all aspects, If i borrow gil from someone i always rush to repay what was loaned, even if i have to drop everything else and dedicate the time to repaying it back, Im not a racist, When I ask people to do a favor for me such as hold a rare item so i can obtain the other one and put it up for sale in AH, i always pay the person a reward for doing me the favor no matter if its a friend, stranger, the fact is I will make gil so why not share the wealth especially when that person was honest enough to return the item being held, when i ask someone to bring me stuff from AH, I always pay more than what they paid for as a tip for taking the time to do the favor, I am the person who sacrfice my dyna farm to run in a raise a friend who died without having Reraise up, I am also the person who during salvage did not bring a RR scroll and died wasting the persons assault points and time who did the salvage run to farm alex for mythic went to town and bought a decent amount of alex to make up for the mistake.
Edit: I know how to read when someone says X12 Qilin.
So you can continue to judge me if you want. The end.
Edit: Im pretty much done going over again what I wrote and corrected the mistakes, mispelling etc...
Apologies to Zumi for taking the original post way off topic in this drama.