Abyssea + 1 seal system revamp/suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

No this is a system to get people's +1 items without all of the hassle of getting seals that they don't need and cluttering up their inventory. If it catered to +2, there would be no chance in hell it'd be taken seriously, remember there needs to be a challenge in the game still, and this system still provides it since you can't just spam a 5th tier nm and trade up to 1st echelon thanks to the trophy cap and vice versa on spamming 1st tier and trading down.

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Your premise is poor if you're using "challenge" in context of game content that few people do or care about yet is designed around groups to actually complete.

Omnys makes a good point, and to add to it this could be part of a bigger set of changes to help people catch up and prepare themselves for Adoulin within a reasonable amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Your premise is poor if you're using "challenge" in context of game content that few people do or care about yet is designed around groups to actually complete.

Omnys makes a good point, and to add to it this could be part of a bigger set of changes to help people catch up and prepare themselves for Adoulin within a reasonable amount of time.

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Which is why after I thought about it, I agree that it's a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

Which is why after I thought about it, I agree that it's a good idea.

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I admit I'm a little on the slow side when it comes to realizing things.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

How, or what would it break exactly?

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It'd be a breaker -because- if it catered to both +1 and 2 items, there'd be no challenge. With +2 items you have to go after the big bosses, where with +1 you can get a little easier. The system is to make the SEAL hunting not as miserable as usual, because with +2 items you can get those easily while helping a friend with NM kills for things like their empyrean weapons. Besides, something giving +2 with only battle trophies would make the game too easy, and +2 shouldn't be as easy to get as +1 items, they need to be harder because it's the next step.

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Much like Tarquine, I didn't mean it should be that easy. One would still need to defeat the bigger bosses. One definitely would not be able to get +2 items via trophies from +1 item NMs. I do however like the idea of being able to trade excessive amounts of +1 items to +2 ones, but I don't quite see that happening.

For one, it could be sort of like a bonus on the side for helping people with NMs that do not have the particular items for you.

As for challenge, to me, the +2 item NMs are not any more challenging than the +1 item NMs. All they are, is more or less annoying and time consuming to spawn, and usually have a bit more hit points.
One time I defeated the Cirein-croin three times in a row without any Atma active on me, and I didn't even notice until later on!
Yeah, I still don't know how I managed to miss infusing them, and then not realising I didn't have them...

I'd go as far as to say that at least in some cases, the +2 items are easier to get than the +1 items.

I really wish SE would consider this idea, and hope that they are.

OP got a great idea, With all the new gear that been added since abby it is not going to be a gamebreaker and allows small groups and friends get +1 they do not have or got in there porter moogle and allow the new players and returning players a way to catch up somewhat. Since abby now is for most of the stuff, is only for people that are small groups or solo anymore, but exp.

Should take it a step further and any BCNM type fights over lv 75 should be able to choose a seal of your choosing , when you turn in the orb to shami if only you succeed.

Hope square reads your idea, but if anything like last 11 yrs they will take to long to fixed and balance old content to the casual and hardcore player base and always work on the newer stuff for the Elite player base. Until the casual and hardcore start dropping like flys again.

Awesome Idea! I kinda get all my seals using my PUP, though the farming extends quite a bit since sometimes I will have no seal or any drop so that is a restart by farming pop item and then fighting the NM again...

I find myself with a lot of friends but when I really need them most are busy with personal quests/events/runs.

Along with Anjou's idea, I would like to suggest trade of seals, for example: 10RNG body seals = 10ANY job body seals.
the same goes for +2 Upgrades, trading to moogle for something of your choosing.

Any system where it allows trading of seals for other seals, at whatever rate, would have to take into account that all the +1 and +2 items are account sendable.

I would have mules in full +1 gear by this time tomorrow if you allowed me to trade any seals at a 10/1 rate for any other seal of my choosing. Really I would. I have hundreds stored on my seal mule.
It all comes down to the fabled barance again. What's hard for some people is not hard for other people.

I would welcome them doing any of these suggestions in this topic.
I do not however, see it happening any time soon. It's already way to easy to solo 99% of any of the +1 seals. Just not very quick. At all. Which I am also 99% sure is the intention.

Even the +2 items I'm struggling to think of many that are even remotely hard to solo something for. Again just not quickly or reliably.

Some suggestions:

1) Remove proc crap from abyssea and let them drop without needing always a THF a NIN and a BLM or put all those procs possible in other jobs.

2) Increase the time limit for each traverser stone to 2 hours so new players have more time to do their farming.

3) Make Dominion Ops NPC ALWAYS give the seal matching the job you are into or looking for.

4) Lower difficulty for +2 Mobs so ALL of them can be done with 5-6 players at best with level 78 gear.


5) Make light building easier so any job can up them without needing others.





Maybe then players that are starting now or returning without finishing Abyssea might reach the START of Adoulin content.


Or screw everything above and create basic gear (level 90 version of that 78 basic gear from abyssea)for Adoulin for each job that can be solo quested.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

1) Remove proc crap from abyssea and let them drop without needing always a THF a NIN and a BLM or put all those procs possible in other jobs.

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Eh, takes away something unique about the content.

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2) Increase the time limit for each traverser stone to 2 hours so new players have more time to do their farming.

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That sounds good.

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3) Make Dominion Ops NPC ALWAYS give the seal matching the job you are into or looking for.

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If by that you mean, the job your on at the time, I agree.

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4) Lower difficulty for +2 Mobs so ALL of them can be done with 5-6 players at best with level 78 gear.

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Well, this I disagree with, Visions is meant for 75~80 players, Scars is meant for 80~85 players, and Heroes is meant for 85~90 players, we are at 99, with some decent gear or +1 gear the +2 mobs are normally not all to hard to take down, mind you, Atma are obviously required, as they were a factor taken into account when the content was made I am sure.

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5) Make light building easier so any job can up them without needing others.

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Mostly possible already, but I would not mind something to make it less annoying to get certain lights as certain jobs, or flat out get certain lights at all on certain jobs, like WAR trying to get Azure, would never happen.

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Maybe then players that are starting now or returning without finishing Abyssea might reach the START of Adoulin content.

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Adoulin was meant to be higher level content, not something you just jump into, Abyssea is basically what you are supposed to do before Adoulin, if you haven't finished it yet, then chances are SE did not intend you to move onto Adoulin. Its to a lesser extent what ToAU was like, where you had to level to 60ish or above to really do anything in that expansion at all.

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Or screw everything above and create basic gear (level 90 version of that 78 basic gear from abyssea)for Adoulin for each job that can be solo quested.

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That already exists actually.

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