This game has been ruined...

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Originally Posted by RalphTheGalka

Here's a little history lesson for the people who are going to say FoV/GoV/Abyssea/whatever-content-I-don't-like ruined the game. Back in the WoTG days well before Abyssea was announced, I was trying to level BRD. And many a days there were only 4 people total looking for group on my server during prime time, most of which were 70+ and only wanted a meritpo.

Those days weren't exactly fun times and I sure as heck am glad things are more opened up now. Things had to be changed, it was the only way this game was going to survive. There simply isn't the population to support mandatory 6 person groups for xp.

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Heres another history lesson tho.... Most pple who talk about craving the good ol' days are talking well before the craze of merit pts became the norm >.> for us, WoTG is relatively new still (hell thats when i quit before). Its all about the zilart and promathia days lol

Makes me realize tho, that most pple who are supporters of the current method either came in when it was already there, or started playing just a bit before this crappy system got introduced.

To OP: You cant preach to someone whos never experienced your fun :(

I guess rose-tinted glasses are in this season. Do you guys go for the aviator style, or are the chunky Buddy Holly frames more your speed?

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Originally Posted by Screamer

Heres another history lesson tho.... Most pple who talk about craving the good ol' days are talking well before the craze of merit pts became the norm >.> for us, WoTG is relatively new still (hell thats when i quit before). Its all about the zilart and promathia days lol.

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You must have been one of those players who trained an Exoray to the entrance of Crawler's Nest, only to let it wander back thru the chamber of exp parties. It was a lot less fun to those of us in those parties.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

You must have been one of those players who trained an Exoray to the entrance of Crawler's Nest, only to let it wander back thru the chamber of exp parties. It was a lot less fun to those of us in those parties.

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Pointing out the 'bad parts of an era' does not negate the good parts, nor vice versa.

I don't think anyone reaaly wants the old way back for xp. Here is how it was back then.

Drg lfping to Drk lfp: so, how long has it been for you?
Drk: one week, you?
Drg: >.<;;

Dunes parties: yay we have a healer now that's on the ship from Mhaura.. God damn it anyone else see a whm or got a friend who can pl us?

Xp party can I have it? - any lv 17-19

Qufim party: hey get on the ice it's night!
New person to area: what?! Oh shit where did those banshee come from?
Party: damn it and that was our replacement whm. Oh, nice that guy fishing isn't a bot! Whoo we're saved!

Jungle party to party camping ontop of em: oh hey could you um move your mandy over so it doesn't zzzzzzz.
Tank of party: hey can I get a cure?! Oh gfd their mandy slept the zzzzz

Then there were the times you finally found a 6th just to wait forever for them to get to kazham to find out they don't have a pass for the airship. Only to get told by someone else they gotta go just as the 6th is almost there. Thus more time looking for someone to replace the dude who's leaving and heaven forbid anyone in any party agrona gob that they couldn't take on. Because that ment any party that is in its way to the zone line or back to where it's spawn was ment everyone else had to zone too.
Also heaven forbid your a Smn who wants to use an avatar in a jungle party. You got shouts to please stop using said avatar because it was lagging other parties. Same kind of stuff happened in crawlers with the gobs but in crawlers it was hitting a lizzard instead or agroing a water ele in the basement.

Oh and who wants to be mpked by bsts just because you're trying to party in the basement of the citadel? I know I don't.
I liked it when the fov books came out and lv sync came about. No more having to look for 5 people who were 1-2 lvs within yours. 3 levels if the lowest person was close to leveling. Fighting over camping spots because someone in your party can't access this or that zone or you don't know the few places the Japanese go to xp at when the hot places are crowded.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

I don't think anyone reaaly wants the old way back for xp. Here is how it was back then.

Drg lfping to Drk lfp: so, how long has it been for you?
Drk: one week, you?
Drg: >.<;;

Dunes parties: yay we have a healer now that's on the ship from Mhaura.. God damn it anyone else see a whm or got a friend who can pl us?

Xp party can I have it? - any lv 17-19

Qufim party: hey get on the ice it's night!
New person to area: what?! Oh shit where did those banshee come from?
Party: damn it and that was our replacement whm. Oh, nice that guy fishing isn't a bot! Whoo we're saved!

Jungle party to party camping ontop of em: oh hey could you um move your mandy over so it doesn't zzzzzzz.
Tank of party: hey can I get a cure?! Oh gfd their mandy slept the zzzzz

Then there were the times you finally found a 6th just to wait forever for them to get to kazham to find out they don't have a pass for the airship. Only to get told by someone else they gotta go just as the 6th is almost there. Thus more time looking for someone to replace the dude who's leaving and heaven forbid anyone in any party agrona gob that they couldn't take on. Because that ment any party that is in its way to the zone line or back to where it's spawn was ment everyone else had to zone too.
Also heaven forbid your a Smn who wants to use an avatar in a jungle party. You got shouts to please stop using said avatar because it was lagging other parties. Same kind of stuff happened in crawlers with the gobs but in crawlers it was hitting a lizzard instead or agroing a water ele in the basement.

Oh and who wants to be mpked by bsts just because you're trying to party in the basement of the citadel? I know I don't.
I liked it when the fov books came out and lv sync came about. No more having to look for 5 people who were 1-2 lvs within yours. 3 levels if the lowest person was close to leveling. Fighting over camping spots because someone in your party can't access this or that zone or you don't know the few places the Japanese go to xp at when the hot places are crowded.

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I've joked and joshed with people a hell of a lot more since FoV, Level sync, GoV, Abyssea alliances have come about. It's leisurely and fun nowadays.

I leveled RDM, WHM, DRK, SAM, NIN, WAR, PLD, BLM all under the old way in the bad days.

It sucked for all those reasons you listed. The game and all the rest is about the journey. Not the end. The thing with FFXI was people made exping the journey because it was tedious. The journey was hanging with friends and completing the content, the fellowship you had. We've been made to trade in the grind for exp and gear to just a gear grind. I'll take that over forever to get a job to sub level and forever again to get it to endgame. And let's not forget the amount of dumbasses that still made it to endgame back then. Starcade for instance. The only thing that has changed is we chopped off half the grind. That's a win.

Do yourself a favor and get a delve weapon, before you quit. Once you actualy have one and are killing stuff with it, then quit or stay up to you!

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Originally Posted by Randnum

Pointing out the 'bad parts of an era' does not negate the good parts, nor vice versa.

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They were pointing out a good part.

Mr. OP, if you and the apparent multitudes of people who like old-school 6-man XP parties got together you could still have that experience if you really wanted. The dunes, Qufim, the jungles, etc. are still there. Pages, XP rings, and even Abyssea are totally optional. SE and the rest of us don't need to change a thing for you to have it your way. YOU and those who feel the same need to step up and DIY.

If the game's been ruined, then the players (past and current) ruined it by demanding only the absolute best in everything. From EXP parties on up, players and the endgamer forum they frequent caused people to lose their enjoyment of the game by demanding X jobs and Y set of equipment or Z spells (if they invited a mage at all) at every level.

You've seen the talking points an absurd amount of times:

*"Level a real job. <insert job here> isn't efficient in parties"
*"<insert job here> is worthless without <insert nigh impossible to get weapon/armor here>"
*"If this party can't get X amount of EXP/hr, I'm out of here"

The BS goes on and on. How many DRGs, PUPs, SMNs, and other jobs have been lost to these elitist jags?

Now we have Delve endgamers taking things to a whole new low.