I've not got a Relic/Mythic Weapon. My Emp Staff is used for the Weapon Skill, my Emp GK is more or less collecting dust. So from the perspective of someone who doesn't actually use this type of weapon, I gotta say this is a terrible solution. Is it really so hard to increase the base damage on Lv.80+ RMECs?
Back at 75 I was working on Nirvana before Salvage died. I'd be extremely pissed if I actually finished it considering the main focus is the Avatar:MAB. Same with Laevateinn/Tupsimati (although these were nearly always obsolete compared to elemental staves).
Now look at Relics. If hell freezes over and you make the worse Relic Weapon Skills relevant, this will not fix the issue. Many people upgraded these weapons for;
a) the base damage, which is now lost
b) for the exclusivity (which to be fair, they'll still have) and;
c) the additional effects (as in Occasional damage boost)
And finally Empryeans, which to be fair most people never got to 99 due to the gil sink. You'd still lose the aftermath and base damage, of which was higher than non Relic weapons of that level anyway. Even then it's easier to make a Coin Weapon, you can do it in Upper Jeuno in 5 minutes provided the items are for sale.
tl'dr, Just up the base damage (and effects on Nirvana/Laevateinn/Tupsimati), it's a much, much easier path to take.
Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons
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05-02-2013, 04:51 AMSargent
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05-02-2013, 04:53 AMIcaThe four accounts played between myself and my husband are already set to lapse this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altimaomega
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05-02-2013, 04:53 AMBlackMack
Why can't we keep things simple? Why does everything have to be extremely complicated? Just add base DMG to relic/empy/mythics, and make it something that's not going to take weeks of grinding (Please, for the love of everything no more WS killshot trials..).
Would it be possible to have some kind of 1 on 1 fight between you and the "ghost" that gives you your relic when you hand in the final stage? I mean.. anything to keep it exciting and require effort as well. I know mythics and empyreans would require something different, but it wouldn't be too difficult to make something cool. 1v1 versus Shinyru for Empyreans or something, I don't know.
In short, making RE (mythics >_>) weaponskills available for other weapons just devalues the weapon itself. Even if the other buffs don't carry over (Ragnarok's crit rate V, the emnity- on ranged relics, the odd on empyreans), that is still devaluing everything that we've done in the past couple years.. and longer if you've had your relic since 75 cap.
As someone said before... Camate, we leave this in your hands. I really feel if Matsui had a character on this game and made a relic empyrean or mythic from scratch to 99, he'd understand our feelings a lot more. Please be our voice of reason, Camate. -
05-02-2013, 04:54 AMRichwood
It is not just the bad taste from SE's FFXI, mainly all their games have been just lack luster, mediocre, or a poor excuse of what some other company already accomplished successfully "game-clone." What has kept SE alive is FFXI. The reason is that FFXI is unique over all other MMOs in its diverse longevity of building newer content partial inclusive of older content. I know it has been said many times, but turning this game into a gear mill is just going to send SE down in a blazing glory of failure.
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05-02-2013, 04:54 AMNeboTo alleviate more unnecessary stress for both yourself and us, I would respectfully suggest that you discuss your plans with the player base through these forums and any other channels you have available to you BEFORE you FINALIZE your plans.Quote:
You're probably thinking "if that’s the case, then don’t announce anything," but because I thought it wouldn't be good to not let you know anything until plans were finalized I decided to make this post. (I've been under so much stress I feel like I'm going to get an ulcer >< But I know I shouldn't be complaining.)
Then, mold your finalized plans based on those discussions. Because internally, you are not understanding the issue. The simple fact that you implemented these weapons before having a plan for RMEC weapons is...something I would expect from a much less established development company, and (forgive me for saying this) unworthy of FFXI.
Simply unlocking the weapon skills is not useful. Maybe 10% of R/M/E/C weapon skills are actually used. The point of building these weapons is not to gain access (mostly) weak weapon skills with TP stat modifiers that don't make any sense.
Unless the FFXI team's purpose is to intentionally wind down and eventually kill FFXI in favour of pushing people toward FFXIV (I doubt this is the case...its not a smart strategy), you better start communicating more with people that have a better understanding of this game.... than anyone on your development team from the looks of things.
The disconnect between your team and what happens in the actual game is STAGGERING. It is going to cost Square Enix more money before this is done.
I understand your stress, I wouldn't even want to read the forums right now if I were you. But if you don't start including us in your decision making process for these "plans," you;re just going to get more of this.
People aren't angry with you because players of FFXI are just inherently unhappy people. People are angry with you because your team continues to make decisions that seem devoid of understanding of some very serious issues in the game...and you aren't listening to us. -
05-02-2013, 04:55 AMKojoFFI Didn't have Ultimate Weapons represented as anything special, just the best weapon of a type, if memory serves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yambo99
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05-02-2013, 04:57 AMKojoCamate, I've seen you translate and send messages to Matsui before, if someone more eloquent than I could put together a message, would you please pass it to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackMack
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05-02-2013, 05:04 AMHelel
Stop screwing with the base damage of ranged weapons. Gun has always had the highest base damage since the game's inception. Why did you suddenly decide to change this...? Both weapons should have their uses, but now you've completely eradicated any use for gun. I actually think bows look cooler, and I don't mind using them, but I do mind my now useless alchemy/smithing craft skills. Thank you for that.
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05-02-2013, 05:06 AMdetlefI can tell you're trying to be funny, but this post is not the place. People are upset, let them be upset. If you want to make jokes, use this thread:Quote:
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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ge-then-relics
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05-02-2013, 05:14 AMSNK
You know, even as vauge as he's being about this I understand why he's having to be because he wants to assure you that relics, emps, & mythics will in the end be better then before. He could have just said "Hey ok sorry but new content so you guys gotta adapt or move on" but he's trying to speak with you folks humbly about what they have planned and the amount of hate I'm seeing spew from some of you people is hilarious.
Until the final product is released on the weapons,a lot you should just calm the fuck down and wait if what he does is either the best thing possible or a waste of time. Yes I have a relic and several emps also but I didn't explode in anger over this like a lot of you have.~