Can I get a higher tier Cure?

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Originally Posted by Kasandaro

The problem being is that the extreme HP pools have eliminated the effectiveness of SCH, RDM, and DNC - all of which have significant access to healing effects - against a notable range of NMs. Depending on the tank, a SCH does not have the tools to keep up with the DoT on a PC that has 4000+ HP, let alone 5 or more of such PCs. This is regardless of how good s/he is at the job. That's what many people are objecting to, that we're back in the situation where there aren't four healing classes to choose from for endgame situations - there's only one.

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This, if your healing as a rdm or SCH it is a backup or help to get a cure IV while the whm is cure VI and cure V.

cure IV does not cut it with the HP amount in abyssea.

then you have to consider any /whm or /rdm at 99 gets the same cure we do as a main, that isnt balance ether. you can't have a sub = main for anything, and that was NEVER the case at 75.

now at 90 you have job triats and such that can be stronger off subs like DW for thf and BLU. ever since game past 75 it was getting more and more out of balance.

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Originally Posted by Fievel

No, you may not.

That would just make white mage obsolete again.

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no. no it would not.
Level1 : cure
Level11: cure II
level21: cure III
level 41: cure VI
level 61: Cure V
leve80: Cure VI
level 99: will more then likely give you cure 7, or the most MP/enmity effecient heal in the game.
SE learned its lesson from the past 7 years of not giving whm adequate power, they will properly balance it. giving SCH C5, and RDM C5 will NOT hurt whm AT ALL. Whms bonuses to healing far outweigh anything that SCH and RDM could do. i mean LITTERALY i can get on drk/WHM, load up healer gear and atmas, and heal on par with SCH and RDM.

Cure V with proper enmity gain would be perfectly balanced. White Mage would still be able to main heal indefinitely, while Scholar (and Red Mage) would have a powerful enough cure to bring them back up to standard that they can't just spam as White Mage does. There's a pretty large difference between healing for 1k+ constantly with no enmity worries and casting 4 Cure Vs and getting raped by the mob. If anything it would reinforce Scholars role as enmity controller as well, which it's in dire need of since Libra and Animus come across more as jokes at the moment. I might ever put merits in Tranquility since it would actually have a viable purpose with a high enmity high cure (without rapture) spell.

I'm not going to pretend Scholar needs Cure V though. I've main healed fine with just Cure IV (on +2 item dropping NMs before you ask) plenty of times, it's hardly as impossible as some people are making it out to be. Enmity was even a worry for me then with just Cure IVs enmity, though. Cure V would be nothing more than a safety net. If I'm damn near close to pulling hate main healing with Cure IV, there's no way in hell I'd spam a cure with higher enmity gain like White Mage does with Cure V. It would be nothing more than a slight boost to our healing power which would never replace White Mages ability to spam Cure V/VI constantly without worrying about hate.

yea, i think your forgetting divine benison. whm as at all times -50% enmity when under the effects of minikin monstrosity and allure. if enmity- doesnt cap at 50%, you can reach as high as -90% enmity through gear and benison.

I think it was said by a few but really, if you want access to excellent healing spells, you need to use WHM. If not for the differences between jobs, they would all be the same job - there needs to be difference. The idea of the scholar (in game) is that they are a tactician that applies magic in strategic ways to gain advantage and not so much they can pull off the most impressive spells from the different schools of magic.

I would love Cure V for sch, I have been main heal for alot and if it werent for some crafty macros to boost cures I would have not been able to do my job well enough. I think the lack of high tier cures is what give sch a bad rep

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Originally Posted by hideka

yea, i think your forgetting divine benison. whm as at all times -50% enmity when under the effects of minikin monstrosity and allure. if enmity- doesnt cap at 50%, you can reach as high as -90% enmity through gear and benison.

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Off-topic, but where's the testing that Benison is a flat emnity down on all spells, not just status-removals? The cast time reduction doesn't affect cures, I can tell you that for certain.

Having a higher tier cure does not necessary mean having cure 5. but I do agree a higher tier heal is most desired as level cap is pushing up.

I think it is easier for SE to create a new spell which is cure 5 equivalent, without the enmity adjustment. And allow both WHM RDM PLD and SCH access to it. No one will say WHM shouldn't have two cure 5 equivalent spell, it is their characteristic and specialty. At the same time satisfly need for SCH RDM PLD to have a higher tier Cure spell.

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Originally Posted by Sonshou

Having a higher tier cure does not necessary mean having cure 5. but I do agree a higher tier heal is most desired as level cap is pushing up.

I think it is easier for SE to create a new spell which is cure 5 equivalent, without the enmity adjustment. And allow both WHM RDM PLD and SCH access to it. No one will say WHM shouldn't have two cure 5 equivalent spell, it is their characteristic and specialty. At the same time satisfly need for SCH RDM PLD to have a higher tier Cure spell.

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What would they call it? >_>
Seems like a much more logical idea to just remove the enmity effect from Cure V and VI and just toss a Job Trait on White Mage that does the equivalent, if they can't just have it so Red Mage and Scholar just have access to Cure V without the enmity effect altogether (I'm sure they've done something similar in the past).

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Originally Posted by Rambus

who said anything about a SCH outnuking a BLM? he said:


He said that because RDM has blizzard IV and they can cast blizzard IV freely.

point is cure IV is pointless when people have 3-4k hp cure IV is also pointless as a main mage when anything can sub cure IV, thats not progress, saying that PLD RDM SCH should not get cure V or a higher level cure means your mind is still stuck at 75.

anther way around it is let healing magic mean something so a main job using cure IV puts sub cure IV to shame

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I just wanted to say thank you. Some people don't actually read others' posts.

And I completely agree with you. I think that because of the current HP pool of tanks in Abyssea as well as the ease with with other jobs can cure via subjob, that something should be done to boost the healing capability of SCH RDM and even PLD. There are 2 ways to do this in my opinion.

The first would require the most drastic changes. SE could remove the enmity bonuses from Cure V and VI and allow the other healing magic jobs in the game to learn them as they level to 99. To compensate for this, WHM should get a Job Trait that reduces enmity on all healing spells. The trait should be more potent for the higher tier cures in order to put WHM right back where they were before the change. I do believe Cure VI should remain WHM only, but I can see RDM learning cure V at lv 80 and SCH and PLD learning it at lv87.

The other solution is to just create a new cure spell as I suggested in my other post. Call it Curasa. The dev team can balance the spell as the see fit.

But as I said before, if the remainder of new content is not going to allow us to have Abyssea like stats then this change probably won't be necessary.