Thief's Time To Shine?

I would prefer that they make it do the same damage no matter where that you are standing in relation to other people and / or the monster but, give it an additional effect when done from the ideal position.

IE when sneak attack is landed from behind, the monster gets hit with a 3% crit rate increase for 30 seconds.
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When Trick attack is landed from an an ideal position, the thief gains increased enmity decay or just loses a chunk of enmity (maybe half?).

The main difference between what you and mirage are asking for, is that Mirage is asking for a 'fix', since current game mechanics (hate cap so easy to hit so mobs constantly turns to face last person who hit it) mean SA is practically impossible to land with more than 2 melees on a mob 90% of the time.
What you are asking for is a 'boost'. While I like it, I don't see us ever getting another boost. Not while we have Treasure Hunter, anyway >.>

Perhaps it would be able to code in the Atonement enmity damage code with sneak attack. The more enmity you have, the further from the rear fo the mob you can successfully land SA :)

Again I doubt we'd get that either.

Sorry, what I meant is that mirage's fix would be lower damage potential for SA/TA when used form the front.

There's no question that Mirage's idea would add something to the job that isn't there now. But I feel that THF is plenty weak enough to warrant a 'fix' without lowered damge as a cost for flexibility.

I'm against the cost of lowering the potential damage when using SA, TA from the front/side etc in exchange for the ability to use them when not perfectly aligned. Our stacked WS barely even compare to a convential DD WS as it is now.

You are right. I'd much rather see a 'boost' for fulfilling positional requirements than a damage nerf for not being able to....if there ever were to be any kind of "fix" related to SA/TA etc.

It's still a damage boost compared to what we have now. I don't think Mirage's idea is that you don't bother to try and line up for proper SA, just that if you line up then a player or mob move, you at least still get some bonus and didn't waste it.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

Sorry, what I meant is that mirage's fix would be lower damage potential for SA/TA when used form the front.

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It was never my intention that you should use it from the front. Ideally, you should always use it from the rear, as long as this is possible. When you did this, the damage would also be higher than it currently is. From the sides, it would be slightly lower because you'd lose som dex-dmg, but still gain auto-crit on the two first hits. From the front, yeah, it wouldn't be very good, but this is no differenty from what it is now anyway.

If you absolutely have to WS from the front, there's always TA!

Besides, I'm still hoping for Group 3 job merits where we get stuff such as Bully recast and/or duration.

Daggers top out at 55 DMG at 176 delay. I bet you wish you could adjust Mandau to 200 delay and get scaled DMG. I'd want it. Keep Twashtar as the quick dagger since it can be offhanded. Part of your problem solved.

Now on to 1H < 2H ...... wait this was a 2 part-er and not multiple choice....

No but seriously, you have problems that are stacked on top of problems, much like the majority of 1H jobs. Dual Wield doesn't offer any real advantages over 2h and in fact is sloppier damage than 2H damage. There are very few optimal offhands, since most Relics, etc have lower delay. We have to default back to STR/Atk magians and devoid ourselves of any utility to come up short versus 2H weapons in the damage department.

Occasionally you'll get gems like Oirandori that at least attempt to give us some flavoring and options, but for the most part SE has furnished very few exceptional offhands.

In all seriousness, Asteria Main/Coruscanti Off is pretty awesome for not being Relic, etc. but it still doesn't put you anywhere near the big boys nor does it contribute anything meaningful to full alliance events....much like most jobs now. I guess that is why they are making more low man content.

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Originally Posted by Nebo

No one uses THF to manipulate enmity

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I'll be thoroughly frustrated if THF gets any more enmity manipulation tools until they fix enmity on more important jobs like PLD, and moreover, the enmity system as a whole.

Further still, I've said this in another thread: thieves steal items, not hate. Let's try and keep at least some sensible role playing aspects to the FFXI universe? Trick Attack fits with the lore because they are cunning/sly, but a point-click job ability that steals hate from another player is just absolutely stupid.

That said, I think your OP has some merit - specifically around making TH more useful in all events (including VW, etc).