Can the Devs allow Dual Wielding Shields?

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Originally Posted by Leonardus

Hey Kingfury, interesting idea.

In reality, the amount of work needed to create a new weapon class seems astronomical. Also, going by Shield Skill, only paladins, and maybe warriors will get any use out of this weapon. How are you going to explain a battleshield to the knights of Sandoria? A paladin without his sword? A warrior? Okay. A Thief or Red Mage? Odd. A Beastmaster? Even when we stay back and let the pet fight, we're not exactly known for our fine taste in shieldry (Unless you happen to be a gigas).

(So for starters, you'd have to pass off this weapon as something truly unique, like some kind of rare far-western weapon that hasn't yet reached the middlelands or something.)

Not trying to be negative. Myself, I'd like to see some actual flails someday...

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Thanks for the feedback /

And yep, you're correct, at the heart of this weapon's resourcefulness is a completely new concept for tanking that would be highly unorthodox to our current FFXI lands. Beyond the defensive capabilities, it would also be another way for a PLD or WAR tank to still inflict a steady flow of decent damage while performing their role. I like to think of this as offering a PLD the chance to dual-wield an Axe-like weapon. As for the 3 jobs that have the lowest shield skills of the 6, I was saying in my last post that they could possibly swap these weapons in for the fun of trying out the new damage potential of this weapon (more or less on Decent level monsters than high level stuff) but would have to stack high amounts of shield skill + accuracy gear/food to truly hope to get the most out of the defensive properties like a PLD or WAR could. It was really designed as a tanks new versatile tool.

So yeah, it would be like a lost fighting style that hasn't been seen in thousands of years only to be discovered in the new expansion lands by perhaps and old war torn npc or even a new unique beastmen tribe.

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Originally Posted by Duvemora

Reading the topic title, I thought it was silly... until I saw the drawings. That. is. awesome. I want this. Don't really care if it makes sense, or if it's balanced, or whatever, I want it!

I also want the shirtless dudes with dual shields running around in the game too. :D

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Yeah, I'm starting to think I should have come up with a cooler sounding title for this thread lol. Maybe something like "New tanking weapon: Deathshields" Dual-wielding shields I'm assuming sounds a bit too misleading at 1st glance.

The more I think about it, if this weapon was introduced as a new job classes main A+ weapon choice, I would actually want to see them with tribal tattoos all over the place instead of heavy clad armor to drive home the whole "Lost Ancient civilization's weapon" look. I mean, why would a tank using two shields have to worry about piling on tons of body armor? They would have to be all quick and limber y'know :)

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Originally Posted by Calintzpso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvZSR2QpSoU

Still reading through this but to bring it to a middle ground like some have said might be out of SE's reach in this day and age.

Flyff has a class known as Yo-Yo fighters of acrobats. Tossing shield like shurikens that return to you. Think Xena Warrior princess but with spiked shields. The time and effort with reweighing the shields in game, the motions etc. for SE to add this or your idea however is probably to great.

However I could be wrong....SE, their PR department and translation team for FFXI sure like to take from others....Rift....Rifts....Magica Madoka Key Item bushin thing...Abbyssea heralded as the 'Cataclysm' heck I'm almost betting on voidwalkers or voids in general as being inspired by guilty crown.

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Interesting indeed 0.o Thanks for the feeback /

I would say they were more influenced by Rygar's throwing shield with the Yo Yo shurikan concept here, but it's interesting non the least. They most likely went with a Yo Yo for the practicality of a weapon actually returning to you since Rygar's shield is a bit unrealistic in that department. I would have to read more into the functionality though before I would consider them shield-like though, because the video displays a very offensive ranged display rather than blocking or reflecting attacks at the same time. Very cool though :)

In regards to the development time and workload, I just wanted to clarify that these would be new weapons entirely and our current standard shields would not have to be re-coded to function as melee shields. Folks would still be able to use a standard shield alongside these new melee shields if they wanted to, though they wouldn't really need to functionality wise (since these melee shields would be able to perform blocking) unless they had a really high end shield like an Ochain or an Aegis and wanted the stats from those shields.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Anyone ever play Rygar? The main weapon was something called Diskarmor, looked similar to these concepts, but also had a relatively large attack distance. Something between melee and ranged attack.

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Absolutely :)

I remember playing the arcade game when I was a kid, and begging for quarters every time me and my mom went to the corner store. It was truly a unique take on a heroes main weapon for an action game franchise. I never got a chance to play the PS2 version that came out a while back called "Rygar: The Legendary", so I looked up some youtube videos of the game play to get an idea of how they presented the melee shield concept in a modern platform. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to say I'm not really that upset about missing out on this game from the looks of it. They really seem to have missed out on really designing a rich battle experience with such a cool weapon in this title and the stiffness of Rygar's moves doesn't help much either.

All in all, it's definitely a melee shield and it is being used as both an offensive and defensive weapon, so it's indeed a true to life example of the type/style of weaponized shield combo I'm suggesting. Great point, but sad to see it was such a "Meh" game for Rygar. I bet if the folks that did Devil May Cry got a hold of the Rygar franchise they would really polish the game play up and make a solid adventure title.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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Yeah, I'm starting to think I should have come up with a cooler sounding title for this thread lol. Maybe something like "New tanking weapon: Deathshields" Dual-wielding shields I'm assuming sounds a bit too misleading at 1st glance.

The more I think about it, if this weapon was introduced as a new job classes main A+ weapon choice, I would actually want to see them with tribal tattoos all over the place instead of heavy clad armor to drive home the whole "Lost Ancient civilization's weapon" look. I mean, why would a tank using two shields have to worry about piling on tons of body armor? They would have to be all quick and limber y'know :)

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Okay, I want it even more now. The tribal tattoos would be unadulterated awesomeness. :D

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Originally Posted by Duvemora

Okay, I want it even more now. The tribal tattoos would be unadulterated awesomeness. :D

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Yeah, I feel an Elvaan and Mithra with the tribal tattoos all over illustration coming on :)

Story/lore of the job type wouldn't be that difficult.

I could see this as a lost job type of the galka's.

In the final hour's in there homelands, the last of the defender class warrior's held back the onslaught's of the antican's horde's. So that there brother's could make the retreat to the main land. The secret's and fighting style's were lost. Until the day scroll's where found detailing there technique's.

I always love the idea that some lost job class could be Resurrection from that story. I always in-vision a spartan type job class that dual wielded spears and shield's tho.

I want to tie daggers to my feet and quad wield.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

It's hard to explain the fluidity and ferocity I see in my head of how it would look dual-wielding these shields without damn near animating the action unfortunately, but I'll give it a shot.

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I had to try :)

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3...imation2we.gif

That would definitely kick some ass...