I would disagree with calling it "one event." THere's quests to complete, a storyline, a BCNM, NMs to kill, places to EXP... You didn't go to sky just for the event either... back in the day it was a popular place to EXP. But whether you call it "one event" or not, Abyssea has a lot of content, and a good amount of variation in that content. Yes, Abyssea changed things. But (mostly), they were good changes.Quote:
That is like saying sky is good and so much to do because it has 5 zones, no its one event
Einherjar is actually one zone.Quote:
einherjar is one event (10 zones)
Dynamis outdated everything before it. Abyssea is what dynamis was when it was new.Quote:
abyssea is the first time ever we ran into one event outdating everything,
Anyway... it's about quality more than anything else. The point was, abyssea isn't just a little bit of content. But as I said, we still have one or two more level caps to pass, and Abyssea is "done." Thus, we'll be doing something different or unique in a future version update, just as was the case with major updates after dynamis was finished, after assault was finished, etc.. I don't think this is something to be that worried about.
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03-18-2011, 04:43 AMAlhanelem
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03-18-2011, 04:47 AMRambusabyssea is one event, you do the same thing, you can't call them different cuz they are different zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Einherjar are different zones, you cannot enter with different people in same zone, but can if its different.
the only reason abyssea is so meny zone is because jobs need meny NMs for different drops.
if game was one job it be 1 zone.
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03-18-2011, 04:52 AMKibaWhich is why I believe the means to attain a relic or mythic should be revisited and adjusted to reflect challenge and accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin
Of course, this is why I expressed the purpose is not to support relics/mythics always being the best but to request adjustments done to enable relics and mythics to be comparable to empyrean weapons and more important a reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin
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03-18-2011, 04:56 AMAlhanelemErr... what? Einherjar is ONE zone. it has different sections, yes, but it's one area. Saying this even contradicts your view of abyssea only being one thing even though it has different zones. Which abyssea is not one thing or one event- there are many things to do and they're seperate from each other. It's not like Sky or Sea where basically everything you do is really just part of reaching one big NM.Quote:
abyssea is one event, you do the same thing, you can't call them different cuz they are different zones.
Einherjar are different zones, you cannot enter with different people in same zone, but can if its different.
There are like 20 something original outdoor areas. Since Abyssea is just one event even though it has 9 areas, let's just cram it all into one area and cram all the outdoor areas into a couple. because having different areas is apparently meaningless. *rolls eyes*.
This, this, and a thousand times this. Someone finally gets it.Quote:
Nothing in the game is currently endgame.. nor should be viewed as such.
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03-18-2011, 05:00 AMFlunklesnarkin
Im not sure they would be able to enact such a huge change to dynamis tho..
Completely reworking the zone and gearing it for higher level players would cost a lot more money and take a lot longer than just rearranging mobs in the zone to make farming relic gear easier.
The best way to make relic weapons challenging would be to make the upgrade trials challenging.
Even then.. i don't think making the relic/mythic the best weapons in the game is a great idea... they aren't the best now.. but they are still really really good.
Who knows.. maybe they will created a new uber dynamis zone with the new lvl 99 cap that will create challenge for upgrading relic weapons.
But completely reworking 10+ dynamis zones and gearing them for lvl 90+ w/o unbalancing the difficultly of farming relic gear for newer players seems nearly impossible to me. -
03-18-2011, 05:03 AMAlhanelemSky was released with the same expansion as Dynamis, and not very far apart from it. I don't really consider "Sky" to be "before" dynamis. Dynamis was released a few patches after Zilart came out. Sky was brand new, and you couldn't go there right away because you needed to do the missions, which weren't released all at once.Quote:
Dynamis outdate sky?
Before Dynamis, we had the artifact armor and their questlines. Most people got and used the AF a lot of time. Then Dynamis came out, and we got the relic armor, which mostly obsoleted the AF and it's content (Not entirely obsoleted, but many of the relic peices were the best at the time). Now we have the empyrean armor, which obsoletes the relic armor and its associated content. There is one main difference, and it's that a lot more time passed between the relic and Empyrean, so people got more used to having it. Even the events that came between dynamis and abyssea, most gear was on the same tier, or some items were incrementally better but not greatly.
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03-18-2011, 05:08 AMRambussame expansion yes, same time? no sky was first , feel free to prove me wrong i may remember wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
now you got my point, not my view no, im saying thats what your view is like calling abyssea zones different event.Quote:
Err... what? Einherjar is ONE zone. it has different sections, yes, but it's one area. Saying this even contradicts your view of abyssea ...
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03-18-2011, 05:13 AMIlaxHell no...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Think you missed his point, no update so far result to outdated everything one shot, other update pre-abyssea, everyone could still do different event to obtain different reward, then abyssea came in and destroyed all the non-abyssea content one shot, making most of old content worthless to do anymore, so yes can't really blame everyone to have jumped in it, it was not really a choice.
The good news in all that is everyone ended to love the idea of abyssea but when they look behind they see the cost of all this and they start worry. Is nice for many to have the top gear accessible, but is sad to see everyone with the same outfit. My suggestion already been said, that would cause no prob if the stats is the same but the look of the armor would be different depend the path you take.
So my suggestion is SE can still keep going with they easy content, but they should put more hardcore content that take forever to get, and they could give the same stats on it but a different texture/color. In the end everyone should be happy, if you wan a gold'ish armor then take the hard path, if you wan look like a brownies in your gear then take the easy path.
As much as you can just think is just an e-peen comment from me, is by far more then that, do i am saying casual player can't be as good as hardcore player, hell no, casual player can actually be way better then the hardcore player, but the key here is give a chance to both the feeling they are accomplish something. (even if for you is stupid to do more work just for a piece of gear that just have different color).
Best example of what i am talking is, SE could make all the NM you find in abyssea available in old content, that you can actually fight without atma, of course with some balance too, but for sure making them harder. In the end you get same 'stats' on this gear, but different look/color/texture. -
03-18-2011, 05:15 AMSama
Here it my SS right before server goes down:
SS ==> http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...8/lolMetsu.png
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03-18-2011, 05:21 AMIlaxThe thing i lol the most is how you post a picture that prove you using a 3rd party program on SE forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sama