Abyssea Adjustments - Un-leech

Like it or not , I watch for people to afk (usually without a brb -.- ) for extended periods of time. I ask others if the afk'er said brb , which brings attention to the fact they are indeed leeching. After that , they usually get kicked and / or warped after 5 minute warning. For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?

If i am using more then one char to lvl one of the chars while killing on the other, this solution would stop me from doing so.
So I am completely against it.

Furthermore people can lvl jobs outside of abyssea as well and not know the job, it depends if you want to spend time reading up information or not. One could lvl a job to help trigger !!, you dont need to know how to play the job for that much. You do not need to lvl your job outside of abyssea to learn how , you just need to be interested in learning how to play it.

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Originally Posted by Miera

I mean, I had a level 90 WHM ask me how their Afflatus abilities work and you get them so early in the level to get time to understand what it does.

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...Seriously? As my first 75 was WHM...this makes my heart cry a thousand rivers. Granted, I didn't have the Afflatus abilities when I hit 75, that's irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Pennylane

For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?

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WIN.

I'll admit, I leech. But I try for constructive leeching. I never AFK leech. And only Leech my SJs. If I am on a 30+ job leeching it to sub, its b/c I'd rather not have to waste gil or time for a job that is only gonna be a SJ. I also never just jump on a job and leech. If I am in a party, I will ask the party if its ok. If even one person says nay I won't leech. I will just continue getting merits (definitely need it, 9+ 75+ jobs and haven't gotten all my merits for them yet). And by constructive Leeching, I will be the parties slave. If they need me to search for a replacement I will (lets the leader focus on more important detail).. I'll do item runs for a player if needed (it may reset my exp, but I'm not going to complain if the party is letting me leech).. I'll key (though i haven't had to do this yet - only been back on game 2 weeks after 2+yrs, I am still learning abyssea). point being I try to still be beneficial to the party, they are sacrificing a spot that could be more beneficial to them to let me leech.

Also, my opinion here. Its up to the party as to whether or not allow a leecher. If one person disagrees in the party, it shouldn't be done. Also I know how it is to have the leader spot, they do stay busy, they can't focus on everything, and more than likely won't notice if someone is AFK leeching, and just temp afk for food/drink/wc. I believe it is up to the party to inform the leaders of an AFK leecher (if the party didn't agree to the leecher) so that they can kick them.

If you happen to join a party and don't agree with a Leecher being there, let it be known. Who knows maybe they will kick the person, or the person will change for u. Or another thought, put in your search comments Leechers No Thanks, so they know if they want you, they have to get rid of the leecher/s in the pty, or they just move onto the next person to invite.

Guess what I'm saying is I don't think the level cap should be changed and i'm not against leechers so long as its approved by ALL the party members first.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

30 minutes per session, and it adds up if you take more sittings to complete the weapon. The weapons are only a 20~ish hour time commitment as is, splitting that into 6 sessions adds 3 hours of work to it. That's a 15% increase in workload.

And no, I did not need to spend the whole day farming time. Cata-cleaving left me with more than enough TEs while farming pop sets for the NMs. With the number of people I let leech chest exp, we were never in short supply of bodies to hold KIs, giving Cleaving a time advantage over specific NM hunting (in Tahrongi).

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Since you are are always easy on time there is no reason to not exit abyssea when you log this would get rid of the ruby light that may arise when killing NM for instance, so in the end it would increase the frequency of gold chest and therefore KI gathering time . Two single ruby kills break everything. You are always better off logging and starting over, not to mention that when you wake up it's JP prime and you won't get any coffer in your cleaves.

edit=Not to mention that if you have enough stones (you should) it will be more productive to cap amber first, farm-cleave KI, until you are 6/6 then kill NMs..

I disagree with raising the level cap.

1. Experience points in Abyssea does not decrease when there are more members in the group (unless there are too many leechers in the group, than that is the leader's fault for inviting them)

2. Ask the leader to kick them

3. Build your own party. In Jeuno do this, "Abyssea [Experience Points]? [Key] [Person] [No Thanks]. Lv75+ [please]"

4. If you build your own party for whatever reason (Abyssea exp, missions etc) and a person you invited doesn't know how to do their job for whatever reason (they either leeched, or are truly slow to grasp and understand things) then you help them out to better understand what to do, OR kick them.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Since you are are always easy on time there is no reason to not exit abyssea when you log this would get rid of the ruby light that may arise when killing NM for instance, so in the end it would increase the frequency of gold chest and therefore KI gathering time . Two single ruby kills break everything. You are always better off logging and starting over, not to mention that when you wake up it's JP prime and you won't get any coffer in your cleaves.

edit=Not to mention that if you have enough stones (you should) it will be more productive to cap amber first, farm-cleave KI, until you are 6/6 then kill NMs..

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Are you speaking from experience or what? It's one thing to theorycraft, but "One or two ruby breaks everything"? Really? We finished two Empyreans in maybe 4-5 days taking it slowly. Burning stones does use up time as well, warping, replenishing stones, and rebuilding Amber are all steps that can be completely avoided by just not leaving Abyssea. The only reason I would burn through stones is if I did not want to build lights at all, ie: La Theine NMs where it's easy to buy pops , run in, Red !!, and kill. It's also not hard at all, when your primary Cleave WS is classified as Amber light, to not get a single Ruby light in a week. I'm losing maybe 20 seconds per Chloris melee'ing it down under the threshold where a WS would kill it, or about 10 minutes from 0-50 buds (assuming TH, average drop rate of 1.66/NM, 30 mobs).

The way i take care of afk leechers is i have a blm in each party and if some one is afk for longer than 5-10 min they are warped out then reped by someone else. You d2 a few afk players and the other players stop going afk like it is a miracle lol. and as far as levl 30 key person. i love then they save alot of time and corur for the others in the partys. ^^

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Originally Posted by Rambus

yes I like it I am getting tired of people accpeting people afking for hours on end.

like i said in other abyssea threads i REALLY want to know why it was min 30 in the first place, you dont have people that are level 30 leeching dynamis so I do not get the reason.

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I think SE made the minimum to lvl 30 because of the questing part of Abyssea, just how a lot of quests outside of Abyssea needs a job miinimum of lvl 20 or 30 and higher. I said this in another thread too but I think SE sort of wants people to lvl their jobs fast so that people can enjoy all the other content SE has to offer and perhaps another reason could be so that people will be done/bored with FFXI so they will decide to go to FFXIV, yet they never predicted that FFXIV would be unsuccessful.

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For those of you who do leech , pfftt..why should I work for YOUR exp?

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No one said you had to. Kick them from the party or find another party.

People aren't going to come to Dynamis for the EXP. it's just a perk.