Increase the base Guard proc rate

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Originally Posted by Musahashi

So, monk will only ever be a tank until people start putting 2 Tank atmas on PLD and showing the bandwagon players how to properly tank.

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Tank atma or not, why would you use a pld over a mnk?

If you can keep the monk alive, there is 0 reason to use the job that's going to take a fkton longer to kill the monster.

If you have a mnk tank and it takes you 5 minutes to kill a monster.

Replace the mnk w/ a pld and now it takes 10-15 minutes to kill that same monster.

Why would you ever pick the pld?

Its funny that I started this thread not because I wanted to be a better tank then pld, but rather to make it worthwhile to skill it for some other reason other then having another blue number in your combat skill list. Mnk has always been a DD, and always will be. Its just seen as a tank atm.

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Originally Posted by Musahashi

How about self accomplishment? How about fun?

If your not playing for self accomplishment, and fun, then why are you playing?

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well i dont know about you but self accomplishment is getting the latest gears and equiping your job up. Lets get real this game is a fashion statement and about what gear you have on what job. No one cares you can go out in old areas and go solo sky gods or w/e mob you want to insert cause honestly all that gear is blah at this time in the game. So for people who have been playing this game for a long time abyssea is where the self accomplishment comes, the fun, etc.

And lets get real. MNKs are the tanks in abyssea. Why do you say they aren't, because they dont have MP and that AWESOME cure IV that PLDs have. and you want to talk about tank atmas on mnk, dont even need them. Thats the beauty a monk can tank abyssea with DD atmas on! Oh and you know what a mnk and whm can pretty much take abyssea over its knee and spank it like a bad little kid. So try that with a PLD and a whm, and if you do kill an NM while it took you 15 20 minutes to do it the mnk and whm are on their 3rd or 4th NM fight.

Now don't get me wrong, PLDs are good tanks OUTSIDE abyssea but inside abyssea who needs em? Ask even the best geared PLDs around (and i know a couple on my server that are decked out almaces, aegiss, drings, excals, full af3, full pdt, full mdt, you name it) who tanks abyssea the best and even those die hard PLDs will tell you mnks do, or at least the smart ones will. And even outside abyssea mnks can tank stuff still while being in DD gears! Looks like at the days when 75 was the level cap. What was the big thing people did for gear? Salvage. Who tanked salvage? I think if this was a family feud question the panel would say MNK and those who answered PLD would get he loud buzzer and big red X. Sure PLD could tank salvage but why in your right mind would you do that? I know your answer here "self satisfaction, fun, blah blah" right. Yeah well thats good and all but we are talking efficiency here. In salvage mnk didnt need the magic cell, the mp cell, hell even the weapon cell the mnks were the last to get at least in my group because they didnt need it to function. Just like now a days, you dont need a pld to tank abyssea cause a mnk can tank just fine and can put out way more dmg than a PLD can in the process.

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Originally Posted by Musahashi

Monk has always had the 2nd highest eva stat in the game, so naturally it can evade quite a bit, on top of that it can also counter.

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incorrect. NIN has 2nd highest eva (in terms of skill). MNK is tied for 3rd (in terms of skill). Though DNC and PUP have evasion bonus, so MNK is even farther down the list.

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Originally Posted by Protey

incorrect. NIN has 2nd highest eva (in terms of skill). MNK is tied for 3rd (in terms of skill). Though DNC and PUP have evasion bonus, so MNK is even farther down the list.

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He was talking about when the game came out and there were like 6 jobs. I was going to post the same thing until i realized that.

I am still curious what outside of abyssea mob needs a PLD.

Guard Mastery can i have it?

Guard Mastery and Tactical Guard, you crazy

DD tanks were superior on most mobs before Abyssea was even implemented, it just took people a while to realize this. I have no idea what you think a 'real tank' constitutes. PLDs have a harder time keeping hate and have very mediocre damage output. A MNK can cap PDT and MDT with macros when needed without swapping out there weapon. A PLD might take a little bit less damage (keyboard little), but it's very much worth the trade off.

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Originally Posted by Mojo

DD tanks were superior on most mobs before Abyssea was even implemented, it just took people a while to realize this. I have no idea what you think a 'real tank' constitutes. PLDs have a harder time keeping hate and have very mediocre damage output. A MNK can cap PDT and MDT with macros when needed without swapping out there weapon. A PLD might take a little bit less damage (keyboard little), but it's very much worth the trade off.

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Ok so on something like Tiamat or Jormungand You're telling me a mnk can straight tank it while taking minimal dmg and keeping hate? And before you try to tell me "WHO FIGHTS JORM DEEEZ DAYS LOL1" these are just examples of difficult monsters which still require or according to you don't require a pld.