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Originally Posted by Mirabelle
More useless rolls that will cost 250k+ yay!
What new Rolls would you like to see 91-99? + Other JA's.
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08-20-2011, 08:21 AMCapn
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08-20-2011, 08:25 AMNkaiMoonwatyrweeeeeeeeeeeeee, just want I ALWAYS wanted!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirabelle
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08-20-2011, 02:17 PMMirabelleWell on the bright side I won't have to change my macros on the way to 95.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capn
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08-20-2011, 07:24 PMAgetos1 of 3 spots now ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Capn
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08-21-2011, 04:47 AMAnza
Companion's Roll isn't game changing by any means, but at least it has a use. BST can solo/lowman a lot of stuff just standing back and letting the pets do the work, and Puppet Roll is often irrelevant these days. So Beast Roll + Companion's Roll is a pretty good set. And if we get 3 rolls, there are now actually 3 rolls that directly enhance the pet (since Drachen does nothing for BST). Anyone with BST friends may find some use out of this one.
Conserve TP though? Wow, that's pretty awful. Never going to beat Regain, and unless it's a MASSIVE amount of Conserve TP you're probably better off using Fighter's or Samurai anyway (not to mention other rolls from a DD perspective). -
08-21-2011, 11:37 AMZagenIf the BST can solo without you why would they duo instead? And if they are willing to duo why not do it faster on MNK/NIN/THF/DNC + WHM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anza
Crap rolls are crap. If you're in a pet LS and your pet job isn't needed in a given event then the roll has uses otherwise its just a way to dump gil. -
08-22-2011, 04:44 AMAnzaBecause sometimes the game is just about having fun. I would have used Companion's just the other day. I logged in on COR, my BST friend was out soloing NMs, and I asked if she wanted some company. I was rolling Beast and either Dancer's/Tactician's on her, but I would have used Companion's for that second roll if it existed then. Was I REQUIRED? No. I was out there having a good time with my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagen
There are plenty of legitimate strategies relying on lowman with pets acting as tank/DD and the masters standing back. This gives COR a way to help those people out when Puppet roll is irrelevant. You don't have to be in a pet LS to know a BST or two who might enjoy a buff that helps them.
The "why not duo it on some other combination of jobs" comment is obnoxious. Not everyone has a WHM + tank/DD duo available, and not everyone WANTS to do everything with the same strategy. If MNK + WHM can kill everything (not really THAT much of a stretch today, aside from Voidwatch), why are we even on the COR forum at all, since COR is never needed? -
08-23-2011, 01:32 AMAbithra
I am with Anza on this, I enjoy duoing with a BST friend back in the day and he would have loved this roll so its not useless just not relevant to alot of people.
Do I need to do it? Nope but it is nice to do something different
Miser's, yeah I will not be buying that but Companion's I will be~ -
08-23-2011, 02:34 AMAfaniaWhen I worked on Isgebind KI for lv 90 empy trial, I trioed Kur with a DRK COR BST. With BST pet tanking Kur, DRK getting red proc, and COR dealing dmg from outside of AoE range with WF. That was before SE nerfed BST PDT -100%, and the pet was pretty decent tank against that NM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagen
If BST can solo without a COR, having a COR will increase the killing speed greatly, without actually ruining anything. You won't get hate if you're careful enough, and you can deal dmg outside of AoE range. Ranged magical WS has decent dmg in Abyssea with atmas unless the NM resists it, it should kill way faster with just BST himself or even 2 BSTs.
Companion's roll certainly helps pet tanking, and in general helps the pt kills faster, that's one situation I can think of to use this roll. Very situational, but the situation does exist.
And yes I know WAR NIN WHM is an even more efficent setup to farm KI with more red proc and faster killing speed, but none of us have WAR, NIN leveled, and I don't have a WAR or NIN friend sitting in Jeuno 24/7 ready to help me getting the KI while getting nothing in return. I try my best to get the thing done with setup I have at hand.
And inb4 "you should go lv WAR and NIN" etc. Yes, I'm a gimp noob who doesn't have 1000 friends with right jobs, and don't have right jobs myself. I love how this game is nowadays, you fail if you play other jobs that's not NIN WAR MNK WHM, or if you don't make friends with right jobs. I make friends based on the player, not the jobs they have. -
08-23-2011, 03:20 AMZagenI'd go NIN/WAR/WHM to that situation cover all Red Procs, kill the NM faster, and Keep everyone alive even while in AoE Range. Lets say my friend who has COR wants to join, he rolls Tactician's on us so we can go through the WSs faster. The COR stays out of AoE range and can go crazy with the damage with almost no fear (doesn't have Wildfire yet) that he'll take hate from the NIN or WAR. In my situation just like yours the COR isn't needed but it is helpful the difference is in my situation they don't have to be "careful" while helping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Afania
As to the "right jobs or you fail" comment on a personal level that is false (this is where your own fun matters), then again that has always been the case. However on a community level that is accurate, but then again the community has always been about efficiency.
My favorite jobs in the game are COR, PLD, and BLU. 2 of the 3 (3 if you discount procs, AoE farming, or T4 Voidwatch) are not efficient if the core jobs haven't been covered. Once the core jobs have been covered they still aren't efficient in most situations but they are helpful. I'd be ignorant to not acknowledge this fact of the current game. Heck once upon a time a party that didn't have a COR or BRD in it was fail...
If you truly enjoy doing things a lot slower and less efficient then that's cool, but don't expect the rest of the community to think pet regen/regain is useful because that's how you roll.