[dev1041] Relic Armor Upgrades

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Hey Camate!

Does the first stage require items and the second stage require merits, or does the first stage increase the armor's stats and the second stage increase its effect on merit abilities or something? It's kind of ambiguous.

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Since the word they used was Augments rather than Trials, I'm assuming that the first upgrade will boost the power of the existing armor with respect to the existing stats, and the second upgrade will boost the power of Merit-related abilities. Hopefully this is done in addition to the upgrades from the first stage, because choosing between a Duelist's Chapeau +2 and a Duelist's SuperChapeau that boosts Dia 3 potency is going to be annoying.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Since the word they used was Augments rather than Trials, I'm assuming that the first upgrade will boost the power of the existing armor with respect to the existing stats, and the second upgrade will boost the power of Merit-related abilities. Hopefully this is done in addition to the upgrades from the first stage, because choosing between a Duelist's Chapeau +2 and a Duelist's SuperChapeau that boosts Dia 3 potency is going to be annoying.

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It pains me to think about some of the abilities that will be enhanced, but this sounds very plausible. I now eagerly await a pair of pantaloons that enhance Martyr potency by 50% so I can promptly make fun of the guy who developed them. I realize my jeers will never be translated, but it's still therapeutic to type them out.

Last stage on Relics/Mythics/Empyreans should require 10,000 merit points to upgrade to 99.

Last stage on my boot should be in your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Last stage on my boot should be in your mouth.

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Greatguardian's Boot +2
DEF: 25 Attack +12 Critcal Hit Rate +3% Haste +3%
-12 Teeth
Additional Effect: Silence
?Set? Effect: My other foot is cold because this foot equipment is singular instead of plural.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Last stage on Relics/Mythics/Empyreans should require 10,000 merit points to upgrade to 99.

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So it'd only take like a week to finish.

I would have rather seen the drop rates on -1 greatly increased, and the requirement to upgrade via the magian trail be the af2+1 version only. As it stands now, people who did +1 theirs are going to get reduced whatever on their magian trails (i have no af2+1, but loads of af3+2 and af1+1 and af2). I have yet to see a trial of the magians that's not a joke (except the 1500 plates lol, and that's only for 91+ weapons its not like you cant get the ws at 85). Especially now that the drop rate on vnm for souls has been fixed/increased, and an improvement to t1-t2 vnm abyssite changing colors in abyssea was increased. Ochain is that much easier now.

If the af2+2 trails require a -1 item, then i'd say this entire passage of text is pointless, except the ps about planting. However, I was disppointed by all the 70+ trials to upgrade my adventuring fellow and how horrible they were. Kill 'x' amount of mob, what kinda joke is that to do a cap increase for you fellow after all the great story and quests before it? Oh yea, the same as the 75+ cap quests have been, =dreadful. The last cap quest I actually enjoyed, but that's not to say I didn't want more because I did.

As it stands, I asume this or some similar version is going to be used in limbus as well when limbus gets redone. So basically, after you get whatever gear from the limbus soap dealing npc in port jueno all your ancient beast coins after that are going to be worthless, cause who is really gonna +1 something just to trade it in to get a step removed from a trial that gives you a +2 when you can not +1 it and just do a little (oh no trials are sooo hard) more on a joke trial to get the final augmented af2+2 or af1+2 (same applys to af2, because I feel to get -1 right now is tricky, but rather than make that easier to get -1 they just make it all one EASY BUTTON MASH GO on the af2+2). Is this perhaps a silent acknowledgement that af2+1 is actually as hard if not harder to get to get then af3+2, and because of this SE is attempting to balance out the effort required to attain either af2+2 or af3+2?

Why am i upset, besides the unfairness? I been collecting ancient beast coins for upgrades and now it's pointless, and I can't get them out of the npc to sell them before everyone else finds out how bad ancient beast coin demand is going to tank- like they weren't already of low value now they are gonna be worthless. Unless ancient beasts coins are used in the upgrade to af2+2, then it would make everything that much better. But i like the -1 idea and i like the items required to upgrade af1 to af1+1. Yes i still have yet to upgrade some af1 that needs upgrading, but i'm ok with that i do limbus twice a week and enventually i will get the items required.

PS- While your at it, how about bringing back items that can only be grown in pots from your moghouse or found as rare drops in bcnm/kcnm/etc, and not in every gold chest in abyssea. Yes i know fungus for the skillup foods and what not are good sells but where's the reciept for geode gems to be grown by planters or somethong that I can put on the AH that justifies me watching my pots in my moghouse for a week, i liked growing stuff in my pots.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

I see what you're saying, but I read it as A +1 will get you a +1 augmented and a NQ will get you a NQ upgreaded. Can we get a clarification from the devs?

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*Relic and Relic +1 Armor will [SIZE="5"] result in the same items [/SIZE] after upgrading. Owners of Relic +1 Armor will be rewarded with less demanding conditions for the first upgrade stage.

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how can you read that as different item rewarded?

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Originally Posted by Tagrineth

Well, the items for the phase 1 upgrade had better be about ~300k cheaper on +1s than NQs. Otherwise relic +1s just became thoroughly worthless.

also, in before demand for dynamis currency increases.

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+1 is not worthless :+2 won't be available this year, getting +1 before +2 release= getting +2 item faster than people without +1.
and for currency you get more currencies than needed while farming-1

Was just on the test server. Both NQ and +1 upgrade into the same blue border item that is level 99.

Here is the difference in the trail NQ takes 50 of a new item, the HQ takes 20 of a new item. The item isn't in the game yet so we don't know what it is.

No stats then?