Oh yeah! No this will never get old. No one seems to realize the obvious.
Some people play RDM with swords. Some people play RDM with Staves. Saying which way you prefer it isn't going to change the fact that they other group exists and since SE has no actual intention of quelling either party with fire and brimstone, it will always be that way.
Magian Staffs: Check
Magian Swords: Check
Effectiveness of a RDM pretending they are a BLM/WHM: Inferior
Effectiveness of a RDM pretending they are a DD: Inferior
Fun factor on playing with a Staff or a Sword: Completely Based on Opinion
So if you don't realize there is another way to play your job out there and that other people like it, then you just don't notice the obvious.
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11-20-2011, 01:56 PMManaKing
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11-20-2011, 02:55 PMsaevel
It's a discussion on subjobs, some are mage orientated some are melee orientated. Can't have this discussion without the melee side being represented. And seeing as SE has not only said no, but "HELL NO" to the pink magers, you won't see RDM go back to "staff onry" ever again.
And just for sh!ts and giggles.
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/f...debrannCDC.png
Its' not being a "DD", if I was only going to melee then I'd come on my WAR, BLU, SAM or DRK. It's a combination of supporting, enfeebling and doing damage when applicable. That and your incredibly difficult to kill. I do in equal measures
Dia III
Refresh II (on healers)
Cure IV (lots of Cure IV)
Various enfeebles, Slow II / Para II / Addle / Poison II.
Smacking Monster with sword
Spamming CDC
Checking Procs (depending on event and as directed).
I find myself incredibly busy, and it's an insanely fun play-style. -
11-21-2011, 01:06 AMGreatguardian
lol, RDM/NIN is a melee-oriented subjob.
Kay.
Nice max damage full temp item screenshots, though. They're totally relevant. Here, I can post one too:
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...59426e9204.jpg
I average about 8.2-9.1k on NMs, but I only WS them when I have all temp items and buffs up (tm) -
11-21-2011, 02:09 AMNeisan_Quetz
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11-21-2011, 08:54 AMManaKing
Plenty of people can justify Staff only, because that is how they want to play. I personally don't touch the things and I never really have. I'd rather build a Macc Dark Sword or keep working on my Murgleis. There is some validity to the potency of staffs for those that want to increase their nuking damage, but it will completely nullify your ability to WS or melee at all.
SE didn't say people couldn't be Pink Mages, they just said that a WHM will blatantly outclass them, because that is their job and they are well equipped to do so. The bigger issue is that RDMs don't have a well defined role because SE made Enfeebling a joke.
My honest opinion on the matter is that any RDM, regardless of play style, should be up in arms about the current state of enfeebling and they should be up in arms together. It doesn't matter what your play style for RDM is currently, you should have figured out by now that you can't make a RDM good anymore because they broke our most important function: Enfeebling.
I don't care if you use a sword or a staff, you aren't as good as any other job in the game because neither of those are going to make up for the fact that we aren't better nukers, healers, or melee'ers than any job that actually specializes in those things. If you hadn't noticed, you can only do 1 think at a time. So after you are done checking how immune the mob is to your enfeebles, you can attempt to validify your existence in a serious party by half ass-ing any one of those 3 things. Since you don't have the job abilities, job traits, equipment, or spell library to compete with other jobs, you are going to come up short.
Stop fighting about your differences and start getting offended that your common ground is barren. There is no actual reason that RDM should be in the state that it is in. It's still a good job and a fun job, but it's not a particularly well equipped to be taken seriously in the current game. Who cares how hard you Nuke or WS? That is secondary stuff. Crippling your adversaries and defending your allies should be your first concern. How you achieve that is up to you. -
11-21-2011, 12:52 PMcidbahamuthttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NQ6dP9_4MM...ut-verbose.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ManaKing
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11-21-2011, 01:46 PMKarbuncle
1 Thing at a time?
nonono, Good people can multi-task. -
11-21-2011, 08:29 PMCrimson_Slasher
Greatguardian...did you just show a post of a mob in abyssea and compared it to a voidwatch mob? Really? You tried to disprove him and went into the sandbox zone to do it? Im sorry but to me that just lost you all credability and exposed your "I GET THE LAST WORD AND WANT TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD SO I CAN WIN" attitude.
Not to mention thats 3 different ws and even if with max buff/temps is still a nice output. -
11-21-2011, 08:47 PMNeisan_QuetzYou missed my post about why his screenshot was meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson_Slasher
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11-21-2011, 09:31 PMCrimson_Slasher
No i didnt Neisan, im just more appauled great guardian would use that kinda comparison. It holds no water in my book.