Why Cant Final fantasy 11 get the same treatment?

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Bad analogy.
Changing your oil is minor maintenance not major.

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FFXI makes them tons of money. Even if it needs a whole new transmission and a paint job, it is still worth the investment.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

And how many people are playing 14 compared to 11? If 14 had the player base 11 does I wouldn't have mentioned this.

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The number of capped players is irrelevant. The number of new players playing with each other is what matters. A remade FFXIV has no more potential than a remade FFXI for getting new players, possibly less due to it's bad reputation. however, FFXI already has more players, so if no new ones come, guess what......it's still profitable.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

They aren't rebuilding the 14 engine from scratch in a year and a half... they're updating the current one. You can't get the same potential from the 11 game engine even if all console support was dropped. When an engine is initially built on a core spec it suffers from that. Why do you think 14 has its own engine and not just an upgraded version of 11's engine?

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The FFXIV road map says this:

1. A complete redesign of current repetitive maps
2. The implementation of a new graphics engine
3. A new server system designed for increased speed and performance
4. A fully renewed user interface

exactly what engine are you talking about that isn't getting rebuilt? and what makes you think that it is any cheaper to do it to FFXIV than it is to FFXI?

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

And not addressing that minor maintenance can cause major problems down the road.

XI doesn't -need- (I say this tentatively cause of ps2limitationsexcuse etc.) a total remake - not that I wouldn't like one - but it certainly needs more attention than a stretched and overworked dev team because all the resources are being poured into a game that's already been deemed an overall failure.

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Pretty much this. FFXI doesn't need a complete makeover, but it could stand to have more updates in the same line as the new HD icons, merging the AHs, Porter Moogles, stuff like that. Quality of life updates that are years overdue. How about fixing some basic pathing issues? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's tired of that rock in Qufim or getting thwarted by a three inch ledge. You know...minor stuff that makes for a better gaming experience.

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FFXI makes them tons of money. Even if it needs a whole new transmission and a paint job, it is still worth the investment.

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That amount of money is shrinking, and it would not bring in many new players. There is a much greater potential for gains in upgrading a newer product than an older one that is long past its prime.

Minor stuff shouldn't need a diversion of funds/manpower from other projects. They should have the resources for an extra guy or two (And they're hiring apparently, so they seem to be aware of this) to keep things rolling smoothly.

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Except it doesn't when that game is still making profits without that additional maintenance.

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The point is FFXI makes a lot of money and they are damaging the games future by not investing in it, our happiness with the product is linked to how long we will continue to play it. If you have a great and realiable car and buying more expensive oil for it means you get to keep it running that way for x more years doesn't it make sense to do that? Making a successfull mmo is not something you can just do, the vast majority fail...so if you have a successfull one (yes even if it's 8+ years old) you keep it running the best you can for as long as you can.

Problem with Square is they still think they can do no wrong and churn out successfull MMOs and they can't, there is a really good chance XIV2 will fail too and they aren't taking that possibility on board at all looking at how badly they are starving XI.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

The point is FFXI makes a lot of money and they are damaging the games future by not investing in it, our happiness with the product is linked to how long we will continue to play it. If you have a great and realiable car and buying more expensive oil for it means you get to keep it running that way for x more years doesn't it make sense to do that? Making a successfull mmo is not something you can just do, the vast majority fail...so if you have a successfull one (yes even if it's 8+ years old) you keep it running the best you can for as long as you can.

Problem with Square is they still think they can do no wrong and churn out successfull MMOs and they can't, there is a really good chance XIV2 will fail too and they aren't taking that possibility on board at all looking at how badly they are starving XI.

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There is the key "the best you can" has a reasonable limit. Using your car example, if your car is 8 years old and has over 200k miles on it, the cost of maintaining said car is going to go up just like the cost of maintaining an older game engine to keep players happy goes up.

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Originally Posted by Shadobi

Yoichi Wada said last month that the Final Fantasy name has been "greatly damaged" by the troubled Final Fantasy XIV.

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don't u mean "Troubled Final Fantasy X-2 - XIV"? ( bar XI :p )

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

The number of capped players is irrelevant. The number of new players playing with each other is what matters. A remade FFXIV has no more potential than a remade FFXI for getting new players, possibly less due to it's bad reputation. however, FFXI already has more players, so if no new ones come, guess what......it's still profitable.

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When a new player looks into an MMO that has over 8 years of content and 500k players they see 8 years of content to catch up on to be on par with those players and the odds of newer players joining slim for the same reason.

When a new player sees an MMO with 1-2 years of age and what 50k players? They see something more attainable in the 14 compared to 11.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

The FFXIV road map says this:

1. A complete redesign of current repetitive maps
2. The implementation of a new graphics engine
3. A new server system designed for increased speed and performance
4. A fully renewed user interface

exactly what engine are you talking about that isn't getting rebuilt? and what makes you think that it is any cheaper to do it to FFXIV than it is to FFXI?

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The core engine, the part that actually makes the game work.

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Originally Posted by Clou777

don't u mean "Troubled Final Fantasy X-2 - XIV"? ( bar XI :p )

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FFX was pretty troubled too.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

That amount of money is shrinking, and it would not bring in many new players. There is a much greater potential for gains in upgrading a newer product than an older one that is long past its prime.

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And there you go, that is exactly what SE truly believes. They and you, are missing the most important part of it all... a MMO does not need to have a prime. A mmo should be ever changing ever evolving, if they put commercials, and ads up everywhere for a FFXI 2.0 with an expansion pack etc and hit the marketing hard, they would most likely have a wave of subscriptions from people who never even knew about FFXI and veterans that quit.

I don't play wow, and I don't like wow, but if they keep releasing expansions every couple of years the game is still gonna be going strong in 2020. People play a MMO because there is always something new to do, or experience. Once they've gotten close to completing their goals the company slaps a plethora of new content so the players never stop.

FFXI doesn't have to just simply be an old game and die. (It will because SE thinks they know best, and doesn't listen to their customers) If they did redesign XI, add a new expansion, new jobs(or your job turns into another after 99 if you want kind of thing), new rewarding content, then the addicted (us) would stay addicted, and new sheep would follow. A MMO is only limited by how smart the company that makes it is. Sadly our company rides the short bus most of the time.

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