One Tank Job Out of 20 Is Bad Game Design

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Maybe if your favorite job is one of the three most popular or you are a godly pro nothing in abyssea is hard, but for the 99% of us who aren't godly pros, there are plenty of decent challenges to be had in abyssea.

Please go beat shinryu without using a brew then tell me nothing in abyssea is "hard." There are many NMs that you can't kid around with. The average player is not going to beat Rani or some of the other higher end NMs in abyssea without a brew or without great difficulty. Maybe *you* find nothing in abyssea to be challenging, but there are challenges to be had for people who aren't as ultra pro elite as you.

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There is a difference in fights that are challenging and people that are stupid. Guess what most of the playerbase is.

Oh, and Shin is beatable without a brew, brew was just fastest and most expensive way to kill him.

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Oh, and Shin is beatable without a brew, brew was just fastest and most expensive way to kill him.

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Yes, it most certainly is. But it's hardly an easy fight. That's the point. It's not easy. Several other NMs in abyssea are not "easy." THe overall difficulty of all of abyssea is not that high, no. But there are challenges to be had for the layperson.

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There is a difference in fights that are challenging and people that are stupid. Guess what most of the playerbase is.

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Your sentence doesn't even make sense, but no, not most people in this game are stupid. Most people in this game may not play it to the level that you do, but that doesn't make them "stupid."

Most people playing this game are stupid.

Stupid people make easy fights challenging.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

There is a difference in fights that are challenging and people that are stupid. Guess what most of the playerbase is.

Oh, and Shin is beatable without a brew, brew was just fastest and most expensive way to kill him.

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Aren't we quick to shoot off at the mouth? You want to be challenged? Take on Shinryu or any body seal NM or +2 item NM with no atma or cruor buffs. I'd bet anything that you'd be screaming bloody murder at how not-so-easy these NMs are.

Who am I kidding? You'd probably run scared at the thought of such a dare.

I'm not ready to dismiss Voidwatch as an event until I start seeing /shouts that say "this-or-that job with this-or-that piece of gear only" or some blowhole spouting off about "efficiency" in leaving out certain jobs. Stinginess in rewarding effort, though, doesn't help convince me of it's viability long-term.

I'm being baited by someone who puts their +1 armor in sig? I mean really?

Actually, I suppose Abyssea is hard for you.

I did a chesspiece without cruor/atma for shits and giggles, can we count that?

If I can 2box it it is an easy fight.

I 2box shin, no meds except holy waters. It is an easy fight.

If you want to do Shin without buffs, then you're going to need an Aegis. Arguing that events aren't good if you need perfect gear to be successful at them is a poor argument. There is content for people without good gear and there is content for people with. Enjoy what you can, if you want to enjoy something more or something less then do what you need to do to get to that point.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Most people playing this game are stupid.

Stupid people make easy fights challenging.

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No, stupid people think most people playing this game are stupid.

There's a huge difference between players who aren't experts and players who are stupid.

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If I can 2box it it is an easy fight.

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If you can 2box it but you can't 1box it, then it's not easy for everyone. Not everyone has or wants to pay for multiple accounts. That doesn't make them bad players.

NOT EVERYTHING IS EASY FOR EVERYONE. That doesn't make those people stupid people.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, stupid people think most people playing this game are stupid.

There's a huge difference between players who aren't experts and players who are stupid.

If you can 2box it but you can't 1box it, then it's not easy for everyone. Not everyone has or wants to pay for multiple accounts. That doesn't make them bad players.

NOT EVERYTHING IS EASY FOR EVERYONE. That doesn't make those people stupid people.

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Say you're not "stupid" or "gimp"? Fine. But you're still stubborn, and that's just as bad if not worse when it comes to completing content in this game. If you insist on making things ten times harder than they have to be, that still doesn't make those things innately hard. It just means you're making them hard. Abyssea is easy, period. Adding handicaps onto that in the name of whatever the hell you want, be it fun or stubbornness or stupidity, will make it harder - but only by virtue of that handicap you choose to impose.

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tldr get back on your meds

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

so you can't do Abyssea easily as a Pet job main.

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I strongly disagree with this after watching a BST solo Turul. (much to my annoyance... I wanted to brew him... BST took about an hour to kill it without a brew)