Gjallarhorn Buff - Is it ever going to happen?

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Originally Posted by detlef

If you can't see the value of Aegis I just don't know what to say. I suppose Ochain does piss on Aegis for easy content. So if you care about Seiryu or something, I guess Ochain is the shield for you. The main point is that the use of both shields is highly situational and I'd say you could make arguments for supporting either shield as being more broken than the other.

I think we can agree that you needn't bring up Claustrum at all. It's irrelevant to the conversation. It's a joke of a weapon and a misguided attempt to provide mages with a melee weapon.

As I stated, all relic weapons are intended to be melee weapons. They generally do not enhance the any other aspect of the job. Well aside from Apocalypse, Bravura, and Spharai, which all enhance tanking ability. As for DRG, their relic WS is meh and if they care about such things, they probably should be up in arms. That's their call.

Ghorn is above and beyond you say? Please tell me how in 2011 Ghorn is above and beyond most if not all other relics. Keep in mind that any BRD can cap Marches now. Keep in mind that there's a Ballad +1 harp and +1 Ballad on Empy legs. Keep in mind that +3 instruments are available for every important song aside from Scherzo and Carol. Keep in mind that Sublimation, Refresh II, numerous auto-refresh pieces are available, along with atmas in Abyssea and temp items in Voidwatch. Oh and /RDM Refresh/Convert, /SCH Sublimation, and Evoker's Roll.

Do you think I want a useless relic song? Absolutely not. That would be pointless. Who would request such a thing? I want something useful and awesome.

Incidentally, Elegy, Finale, and Threnody land on almost everything, save for the rare NM that is strong against that element. I'm not sure how RDM enfeebles are relevant to this discussion. This is the BRD forum.

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I like how you attempt to side step the fact that many relics are nigh useless and say its not relevant. G.horn is a relic, Claustrum is a relic, a caster class use's both of them. Claustrum wasn't SE's joke, it was what SE thought a "relic" staff should be.

This presents two arguments then. The first being why in the world would one of the best relics in the game (G.horn) be demanding all these buffs when several other relics are in such useless states? Should SE put Meteor on Claustrum then? That is ~EXACTLY~ what has been asked for in this thread, don't try to duck / dodge / spin your way out of that. Second being that Tanaka is back on FFXI now, back as in calling managerial decisions back. You seriously want the people who designed Claustrum to design a "relic song" for your horn?

The relevance to RDM is simple, most of our debuffs don't work on HNMs. Dia III and Slow II are the only ones. The rest are resisted no matter how much M.acc you stack. Try to imagine all your BRD songs acting like Requiem on HNMs, that's what it is like to be a RDM at a HNM fight. If SE made a super song on your GHorn and it was really good, then it would be resisted on all HNM fights.

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Originally Posted by saevel

This presents two arguments then. The first being why in the world would one of the best relics in the game (G.horn) be demanding all these buffs when several other relics are in such useless states? Should SE put Meteor on Claustrum then? That is ~EXACTLY~ what has been asked for in this thread, don't try to duck / dodge / spin your way out of that. Second being that Tanaka is back on FFXI now, back as in calling managerial decisions back. You seriously want the people who designed Claustrum to design a "relic song" for your horn?

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First, we're only really asking for one buff, and hoping that this buff could be on the scale to what Aegis received.

You can't compare Gjallarhorn to Claustrum... they're totally different. Claustrum is one of the best DD Staves in the game, technically, for Blm and Smn, how this truly compares to the Empy, who knows (Although from a pure DD aspect, instead of utility aspect... I think Claustrum would beat out Hvergelmir, but who really knows? lol) All relic weapons were meant to be DD Weapons, not for Nukes or Cures, etc. :/ I mean really, if a Smn or Blm truly wants to jump into the fray and "DD" stuff, then this staff is probably the best option for doing so, not that I'd really advise it, but if they gear for it properly and know that not every situation is perhaps the best to DD in lol... then why not?

Anyways, you still have yet to say why you believe Gjallarhorn is, as you say...

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Originally Posted by saevel

one of the best relics in the game (G.horn)

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I can assure you that Gjallarhorn has really turned into one of the least desirable relics since the introduction of the lvl 85 Cap. We've already posted our reasons as to why multiple times, and the truth to Gjallarhorn's underwhelming power is incontrovertible.

I really think you just need to stop, because you aren't contributing anything at all except posts that are illogical and pointless, only trying desperately to cover the fact that you really don't know anything about Brd or Gjallarhorn.

There is a bright side to this of course. G.Horn BRDs are now allowed to come on another job, instead of always BRD onry!

While I can't give the specifics just yet, there is no need to worry as you will be able to enhance your Gjallarhorn further via Trial of the Magians. This goes for other relic weapons as well.

I will pass your enhancement ideas on to the development team so they can consider them as well^^

I don't know why your complaining because all the other relics outside of aegis really didn't get much of anything. A small damage increase on a bad WS really isn't that great, which is what every other relic got.

I think either boosting the triple dmg proc rate further, and/or giving each a store tp effect or 30sec minimum aftermath like empyreans.

One other thing id like is to give mandau treasure hunter that does not stack with thief's knife. Itd really relieve the burden behind offhand choices and losing tp to swap daggers.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't know why your complaining because all the other relics outside of aegis really didn't get much of anything. A small damage increase on a bad WS really isn't that great, which is what every other relic got.

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Feel free to peruse the rest of the thread to understand the reasoning behind our Ghorn complaints. I don't think the fact that a handful of other relics have it worse should preclude anyone from pointing out that Ghorn has some serious and significant shortcomings that we would like to see remedied for the level 99 cap.

I'd prefer something more useful on Mandau than Treasure Hunter, especially if they don't plan on going back to letting loot drop off actual mobs.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Aegis is in the same category as G.Horn, it's a special relic. The rest are weapons that give special weaponskills, not spells. And you do realize that OChain piss's all over Aegis most of the time right? We have both in our shell and the tanks have already made the comments that SE needs to seriously overhaul Aegis in some way. Our Aegis PLD is working on an OChain right now because it's that much of an improvement.

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There are mobs where Aegis's ability to reduce elemental damage by 95% is better than Ochain's high block rage. Usually things that love to spam AOEs and elemental attacks.

I think they should give Aegis "Shield Block: converts 30% of damage received into TP" and added effect petrify (a chance to petrify the target on a shield block)

Relic weapons should ignore defense like Y/G/K and the proc rate on double/triple damage should be increased further. Also ODD/ODT should be able to proc on double attack/triple attack procs (it does on empyreans but not on relics for some reason)

The hidden 25% WS damage multiplier should be revoked and the actual relic WS should be boosted directly by making them deal the number of hits indicated by their animations. All relic WS should also deal an automatic critical hit on the first hit like True Strike. The few WS that only seem to indicate a single hit (like Knights of the Round) could be adjusted to either deal higher fTP to compensate or the animation changed to two hits.

Generally this would mean that all 2H relic WS would be 2 hit, fTP 3.0 and all 1H relic WS would be 4 hit, fTP 3.0 So basicly, 2H relics would now have Ukko's Fury +1 and 1H relics would now have a Chant du Cygne +1

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't know why your complaining because all the other relics outside of aegis really didn't get much of anything. A small damage increase on a bad WS really isn't that great, which is what every other relic got.

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This is a really ignorant post. Please try to at least know what you're talking about before spewing out word vomit in the form of a post.

Ninja Edit: Also, this thread was originally about Gjallarhorn and its current shortcomings... I know Camate mentioned other relics being upgraded through ToM or w/e, but please don't derail the thread too much with talks/rants about other relics x.x

As a side note, I'm curious as to what Camate's post really even means. Does it mean that Gjallarhorn (along with the other relics) will be receiving another Trial for the lvl cap increase to 99, because isn't that kind of expected? :/ Or is it hinting at multiple trials that aren't related to a lvl cap increase? Quite the elusive post >.<