Klimaform as SCH sub

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Alacrity is applied after recast through Fast Cast/etc. So if you cap recast on Klimaform at 50% (90 seconds), Alacrity is going to bring it down another 50% (45 seconds). Though I was using Lv.75 gear (and not particularly good Lv.75 gear), I don't actually think I ever got the recast down to or below 60 seconds, but it was certainly close.

Just went and tested it, 1.12 recast without Haste (in an event I'd probably ask for Haste), so I'd say it's certainly possible, considering that's with Lv.75 cap gear. It's certainly not practical - for nuking you don't even need to keep Klimaform on full time anyway - but it is possible. Completely redundant argument though, since as I say, SE has confirmed they'll be increasing the duration, in which case it is absolutely something you can keep up full time, it will be a 90 second duration at worst and you can achieve that recast with Alacrity alone.

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I thought alacrity didnt stack with fast cast/haste gear. I remember one of the dev Q&As mentioning that they would look into making it stack.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post158109

I just checked. SCH/RDM used Alacrity, Recast 1.30 seconds.
SCH/WHM with Haste up: recast 1.30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I just checked. SCH/RDM used Alacrity, Recast 1.30 seconds.
SCH/WHM with Haste up: recast 1.30 seconds.

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While I appreciate the test, it's possible haste gives you the same -recast that /rdm sub does, so would need to check that. (just do a klimaform /whm WITHOUT haste.)

Minor nitpick.

The only way I know how to positively affect Celerity/Alacrity bonus currently is the weather effect on the Argute Loafers (10% bonus) but at best that would put it slightly above the duration of Klimaform. Although, if you are doing other things between that time, it won't kill you to lose coverage for a few seconds. Still, the duration could probably use work.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

While I appreciate the test, it's possible haste gives you the same -recast that /rdm sub does, so would need to check that. (just do a klimaform /whm WITHOUT haste.)

Minor nitpick.

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Done. SCH/WHM no Haste recast: 1.30

As mentioned you can get it lower with "Argute Loafers" which take it to 1.12 recast. So it is close, but nothing but the boots effect Celerity or Alacrity.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

I thought alacrity didnt stack with fast cast/haste gear. I remember one of the dev Q&As mentioning that they would look into making it stack.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post158109

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That is a very good point, and looking into it further it seems slow does not affect it either. As such, your tests would prove that currently your recast under slow would still be 1:30, barring boots. Personally, I could accept the slow penalty if I could get the Fast Cast and Haste bonus as well.

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Originally Posted by Delvish

That is a very good point, and looking into it further it seems slow does not affect it either. As such, your tests would prove that currently your recast under slow would still be 1:30, barring boots. Personally, I could accept the slow penalty if I could get the Fast Cast and Haste bonus as well.

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The only problem I could possibly see with this is in situations where you have to raise-ga and you have aura slow on you or something. Conversely, fast cast would be amazing for this. I can't really think of any other spells where the extended recast timer would make a huge difference. Then again, I've been too busy to play the game for the past 2 weeks or so.

honestly though shouldn't klimaform be a stance? not that i think they should change things at this point but considering how sch can function as a DD that skill chains with spells they are like a magical martial artist of sorts no? hence the Klima (climate?) form (stance?) though they already have light and dark arts for a stance type.

Form in this context probably means more something like "shape" than "stance". Shaping the weather to whatever they want.