Avatar AI problems that need to be addressed

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You forget that if you BP after a full favor effect, your favor goes back up to max in a matter of seconds. Sure you lose some MAB from the avatar, which is huge for merited BPs, but if you only use the BPs to do damage (not assaulting) every 45 seconds after you have full favor, then you will keep full favor up most of the time. Just don't back-to-back BP.

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I already said my BP was being used for buffing. That defeats your argument right there.

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Also, grats on beating that NM, you at least have some talent of a soloist. Now, how do you think you could have beaten that NM if you took away the auto-attack function of the avatar like you are suggesting?

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Yes. I was using alternate corners, but even then by the time I got Garuda up the NM would be at me anyway, so more often than not I would BP before Garuda could even land a melee attack.

And you are still missing my point. In no way am I saying auto-attack should be taken away. But you are a loon if you believe that having an avatar attack a sleeping mob that you have never told your avatar to attack in the first place is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Tarage

I already said my BP was being used for buffing. That defeats your argument right there.

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So don't do them back to back, wait a second or 2 for your favor to go back to full before you use another BP.

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And you are still missing my point. In no way am I saying auto-attack should be taken away. But you are a loon if you believe that having an avatar attack a sleeping mob that you have never told your avatar to attack in the first place is a good thing.

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Therein lies the problem. Putting a stay command would take away the avatar's automatically attacking the mobs to save our lives. Unless you think that SE will get it right and have it so the avatar won't attack the mob that is beating the crap out of you.

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The only time an avatar will auto-attack any monster is if, and only if, the Summoner is on the top of the hate list.

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This is actually wrong. I've yet to figure out the exact behavior, but I've seen more than a fair deal of "Now avatar runs and hits mob, but mob is chasing someone else". Last time actually was last week during voidwatch when my ifrit ran off to "Save me" while Havahava or whats his name was walking around killing others after tanks had died.

That is unless by "top" you meant something like "top 5" in which case you wouldn't be wrong, potentially. In any case the coding for Summoner is very random and one usually has to wonder if it is a bug or just crazy coding.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

This is actually wrong. I've yet to figure out the exact behavior, but I've seen more than a fair deal of "Now avatar runs and hits mob, but mob is chasing someone else". Last time actually was last week during voidwatch when my ifrit ran off to "Save me" while Havahava or whats his name was walking around killing others after tanks had died.

That is unless by "top" you meant something like "top 5" in which case you wouldn't be wrong, potentially. In any case the coding for Summoner is very random and one usually has to wonder if it is a bug or just crazy coding.

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lol... just no.

what korpg said is absolutely correct.

Avatars auto-attack the moment the Summoner hits the top of the hate list, even if for a split second, which means to say they don't necessarily have to exhibit obvious actions against the Summoner at all. The avatars just know it.

However, once they are set in motion, they won't stop unless you command them to do so. In such cases of instantaneous hate shift, you'll have no problems retreating the avatar. But if main hate is still solidly held by the SMN, you're really not going to be able to retreat the avatar properly, if even at all.

We need someone to go out and perform these experiments. Need SMN, SCH, SCH, SCH, BLM.

Sleep > Libra > cure 3/4 > libra > avatar smack > libra

Assuming libra doesn't get enmity by boatloads.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Therein lies the problem. Putting a stay command would take away the avatar's automatically attacking the mobs to save our lives. Unless you think that SE will get it right and have it so the avatar won't attack the mob that is beating the crap out of you.

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What planet do you live on? How does adding a SEPERATE command somehow take away another? And yes, I have faith in SE because I have paid for this game for over 7 years. If you don't like the game you play, leave.

The point here is that this is a problem. Even if you don't have a command, just fix it so Avatars don't attack sleeping mobs. It's not that difficult.

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Originally Posted by Tarage

What planet do you live on? How does adding a SEPERATE command somehow take away another?

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It's a very simple concept really. It takes away from another because the first one in question is automatically triggered and really isnt a 'command' per se.

If you want to have only 1 command to force-stay the pet, then automatic triggering cannot occur, otherwise this stay command will be useless. In other words, if you want to effectively add a stay command without with a means to reinstate auto-attack to its proper usefulness, you're either going to need 2 commands, or adjustment to existing commands that will affect this auto-attack

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Originally Posted by Arciel

It's a very simple concept really. It takes away from another because the first one in question is automatically triggered and really isnt a 'command' per se.

If you want to have only 1 command to force-stay the pet, then automatic triggering cannot occur, otherwise this stay command will be useless. In other words, if you want to effectively add a stay command without with a means to reinstate auto-attack to its proper usefulness, you're either going to need 2 commands, or adjustment to existing commands that will affect this auto-attack

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Then how about fixing it so Avatar's don't auto-attack sleeping mobs? Who even wants their avatars auto-attacking sleeping mobs?

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Originally Posted by Tarage

Then how about fixing it so Avatar's don't auto-attack sleeping mobs? Who even wants their avatars auto-attacking sleeping mobs?

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You are still wanting to take away the best part of being a SMN.

The only way for an avatar to attack any mobs without being told to is when the SMN is on the top of the hate list for that mob. When you figure that out, then you will know how to not have your avatar hit sleeping mobs. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You are still wanting to take away the best part of being a SMN.

The only way for an avatar to attack any mobs without being told to is when the SMN is on the top of the hate list for that mob. When you figure that out, then you will know how to not have your avatar hit sleeping mobs. Simple as that.

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Even though quite a few BLM told you, you still ignore the cure factor. Thanks for plugging your ears. Appreciate it.