Power leveling, book burns, Speed leveling. What is the appeal?

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I burned WHM 30-90 in 6 hours. I play it better than 90% of the WHM mains I've pugged in Abyssea.

Old fashioned EXP =/= learning

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I don't know why people keep saying that leveling in a fast manner creates gimps. Initially of course your skills will be under leveled, but any player worth anything will have no problem overcoming that. If someone doesn't fix that situation than they were most likely going to be gimp even if they did it the old fashioned way.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I personally do content for the fun of doing it. Not just for the gear.

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then go do that, you clown

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

I don't know why people keep saying that leveling in a fast manner creates gimps. Initially of course your skills will be under leveled, but any player worth anything will have no problem overcoming that. If someone doesn't fix that situation than they were most likely going to be gimp even if they did it the old fashioned way.

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This is very true.

The fact of the matter is that there were just as many gimps at 75 cap, however they were stuck in between 10~75, and couldn't get into LSs.

Now however 80% of content is easily pugged, and everyone gets to 90 easily. You see the gimps more than you did if you were a good player at 75 cap.

if i level a job to 90 in X amount of time, i can still do all the stuff i could do if i only leveled that job to 40 in X amount of time, in addition to all the stuff i can do at 90

not that i'll do the stuff i could do at 40 because that stuff all sucks

Main healing a party on blm in Bibiki Bay at 67 wasn't fun. So no, why would you miss old way of xping. Was faster soloing in sea the rest of the way then getting parties on blm. Deco weapon parties sure they were good back then, but now they suck and aren't worth wasting time with. Skele burns with mnks in KRT were good before, but not anymore.

Things changes, more types of parties are formed. Being able to level faster don't matter. Noobs will be noobs wether they take 5 years to get 75 or 1 day to get 90. I have seen too many people claiming they are great at their job cause they leveled the hard way. Later then you see them play the job and they suck at it. Leveling slower and taking more time doesn't make them good at anything.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

I had absolutely no fun the other day in a book burn party, so I made a sync party in yhoatar jungle, just a drg blu dnc and brd. It was a lot of fun minus the whm we kicked due to excessive afking and the drk who decided to leave after the afking whm got us all killed. Even without a proper page to do (seriously wtf mandragoras and bees?), it was a lot of fun. We managed the occasional chain #5.

There's no challenge at all with book burn alliances, I couldn't even make it past 1400xp/page without getting bored to tears.

EDIT: It's not like this game is going anywhere any time soon, what's the rush? Being at level cap these days doesn't mean anything if you just burn your way to the top.

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There's no challenge at all to mindless grinding either.

On an unrelated note people need to learn that the whole "learn the job" arguments are flawed too. I've never had anyone first voke Bukhis for my THF so far. In fact, get this, nothing about conventional party play is in any way relevant to playing a large number of jobs in content that actually matters that you were leveling for in the first place.

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Just curious to the appeal.

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I imagine others have said similar since I haven't read through the thread, but ultimately, leveling is one of the least enjoyable aspects of the game, perhaps behind making gil. Simply killing many of the game's weaker mob families over and over and over and over again does not really teach you how to play a job, as a lot of endgame encounters through some monkey wrenches into the works even if it's just some hate resets.

More personally, I've been playing since NA PC beta with, at most, 6-7 months of break spread over that time span. Of the 20 jobs, you can figure breaking them down into the main archetypes of tanking, support, and damage. Once you get a feel for one of those families, branching out to similar jobs isn't particularly difficult. And assuming you pay attention to those around you, you can also learn other jobs by proxy.

Eventually you can hit a point where leveling holds no appeal. No, you could choose simply not to level a job, but if you're interested in being an overall well-rounded player, you'll probably eventually level jobs you "hate" for those "just in case" moments. Slogging it out oldschool doesn't really make the end of that trip any sweeter. In the case of consumable heavy jobs, it can also make things much more pricey, and in turn even more time spent making gil to cover your expenses.

Overall, I have no real issue with how one levels as long as if they're coming to something for an expected function, that means having all your spells, things skilled up, and some passable gear. Not meeting those criteria are by no means solely hinged on how you level, as the "gimps" certainly hit 75 prior to FoV, Campaign, doubled EXP, level sync, or Astral Burns.

I have fun leveling.
And there is a "learn your job" that you can't do in speed leveling.
old exp ways people had to learn the timing of when to do skills so the tank can tank. And the tank needs to learn timing of their skills to control hate. every job runs on different timers between each skill.

Mindlessly pressing skills = button mashing. And button mashing causes wipes.

>.> where you think the term NOOB is from? People who do not know how to play their class. Which was from various reasons.

Thanks to those who posted polite and constructive posts.

To those who really had nothing contrsuctive to say, really..... why did you waste time posting >.>?

The burn party I was in pretty much was bad. There is a huge difference between a laid back party. And a party full of noobs.

At least try to play your role. (like healing as a whm) and not just mindlessly hit buttons. It can prevent someones death.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

if i level a job to 90 in X amount of time, i can still do all the stuff i could do if i only leveled that job to 40 in X amount of time, in addition to all the stuff i can do at 90

not that i'll do the stuff i could do at 40 because that stuff all sucks

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How do you know that all that "stuff" sucks? Have you tried and failed? That would be my guess.

Power levelling?
I'm fine with it as long as I can do stuff myself.

My problem with pts was always that after 1-2h of exp I get bored and quit it. This was never a problem for my main job (rdm) nor to my blm (I soloed it with pet exp) but when I choose to try out a dd job well... What's difficult of being dd? What's the learning? You just need to engage the mob and use the ability when you have tp. The exception was thf (for SATA when used, not always). This is what I learned from watching other dds when I pt with my rdm (pre abyssea and pre sync). No one care about skillchain, some of the player did not care about hate either.

I really like how the gov change exp gaining. Maybe you did't consider it but gov for solo/duo exp is great and actually you can log in 1h, kill some ep mob and get one level done (low level, I've used it to exp sub XD). You will get also the skill. And the possibility to choose between long session exp and short (all worthwhile) it's great.

Anyway, this is my opinion, hope I manage to express myself correctly :)