Dragoon Manifesto thoughts

Ravenmore, nothing you say about having good gear will top Spirit Jump and Soul Jump having the possibility (and a more frequent chance that most) to give 100+TP instantly. Having our Wyvern alive is KEY to making pretty numbers on Dragoon, hands down. When that little bugger dies my parses go out the window, and SAM WAR DRK can even outparse or tie (DRK) with DRG in terms of damage.

If the Wyvern was updated to lv90 (as it really stopped getting stuff back in the 50s) then I am sure it will be a much needed adjustment.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

as it really stopped getting stuff back in the 50s

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Hit the nail directly on the head. Our Wyverns have gotten NOTHING since super climb. Not another healing breath tier, not another ailment removal breath, nothing.

Also, I'm not sure I like the vision of "Dragoon: Enmity controller" at all. We're DDs with a pet that helps us outparse most jobs. I really do not want the focus of our job to be flipped so our main focus is controlling and diverting hate.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Fixed.

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Very very wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Just to add more its been beaten to death but outside of lolexp it doesn't matter how much damage you can pump out. Who cares about that if you can't get the proc you need on the KI mobs to pop the mob your really after. I solo KIs to its fun but if I getting help i'm not going to waste the help by not taking one of them war or at the least nin.

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I care about how much damage it can do actually, since when I farm empyreans all I do is get the KI then get the kill with TH, I don't bother with any procs on the NM as long as the THF has initially hit the mob. Faster = better.

90% of Abyssea LS events are Empyrean farming anyway.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Very very wrong.

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Gimp sam spamming 5k Fudo says hi.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Gimp sam spamming 5k Fudo says hi.

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Gimp DRG spamming 5k Drakesbane says hi.

1.5k Jumps say hi.

TP gain is definitely on par with SAM, if not higher.

Math isn't wrong.

Plus 5k Fudo isn't as common as 5k Drakesbane.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Gimp DRG spamming 5k Drakesbane says hi.

1.5k Jumps say hi.

TP gain is definitely on par with SAM, if not higher.

Math isn't wrong.

Plus 5k Fudo isn't as common as 5k Drakesbane.

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Don't see it. No matter how well geared the DRGs I've seen have been, never before have I seen a Dbane go above 4k unless a TA procs unless we're talking Ryunohige. Which I doubt we are since it has it's on category in your comparison.

1.5k jumps? My ass. Even when my jumps double attack they rarely go over 1.1k. Again, been with some pretty badass DRGs and 1.5k isn't close to the average. I'm fairly certain you're pulling these numbers out of your ass.

So not procing red since thats what the post was about? learn to read. A war with all the weapons war can proc with with nin covers all red procs. Which trumps all jobs damage if you can get KIs every time.

I don't know about jumps but, you've never seen a Drakes go over 4k in Abyssea...?

Weird.

You must play with some really silly DRGs, SS+RR+Apoc should cause Drakesbane to do 4~6k.

Along with the proper gear ofc.

Sh!t, I've seen Drakesbane do 4k outside of abyssea.

I can't say the same for non-Trick Attack Fudo.

Even inside, it commonly does 2~3.5k.

Got a friend with a lv90 Masa he usually crits for ~600 reg attacks, Fudo usually dealing anywhere from 2.5k-5k with light landing for ~5k-10k and he is ws every 30 seconds or so (maybe faster never really timed it) and with all the new goodies SAM has received (for no apparent reason mind you) it makes them only stronger.

Compare that with a lv90 Rhongo and you won't even see close to those numbers, also mind you that those numbers are with /dnc. The only way my DRG can keep up is with /sam (again I have to rely on my subjob in order to make my job...that shouldn't happen imo; and without my Wyvern out I get hit even harder...)

Slice and dice it whatever way you want, we've parsed numerous times and he ALWAYS comes out on top, and my Drakes land for ~3k-5k but it's just not possible to keep up with him without a Wyvern, its IMPOSSIBLE. Which is why I am suggesting getting - damage taken traits to the Wyvern. The poor little beastie is stuck @lv50, why can't he just level up? (yes I know he "levels up to 90" but he doesn't get anything)