A single simple solution to Paladin

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

Yes a war/whm with light staff will have better cures than a pld/whm without it. Healing skill does barely anything.

A bard/whm has ballads if he needs refresh, or he can regen the entire group with paeon for no mp at all.

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When i say Healing Skill i mean more than just the stat, i also mean the mere presense of the ability to heal and have mp. If you think a warrior using a light staff can out heal a paladin...well, i'm sorry but that is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard. I really do wish we were on the same server so I could match up your warrior with a light staff to my pld healer and see who does better.

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

And a pld/sch can regen the entire group too. Also has refresh through sublimation. Paladins also have auto refresh as an ability. Multiple pieces of gear that add refresh. They also have the highest staff skill in the game and access to spirit taker - one of the best ways to recover mp on the game. I'd match a paladin's ability to recover his mp to that of a bard's anyday of the week. So again, your arguments don't impress.

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Originally Posted by Dale

When i say Healing Skill i mean more than just the stat, i also mean the mere presense of the ability to heal and have mp. If you think a warrior using a light staff can out heal a paladin...well, i'm sorry but that is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard. I really do wish we were on the same server so I could match up your warrior with a light staff to my pld healer and see who does better.

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

And a pld/sch can regen the entire group too. Also has refresh through sublimation. Paladins also have auto refresh as an ability. Multiple pieces of gear that add refresh. They also have the highest staff skill in the game and access to spirit taker - one of the best ways to recover mp on the game. I'd match a paladin's ability to recover his mp to that of a bard's anyday of the week. So again, your arguments don't impress.

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You're funny, guy.

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

You're funny, guy.

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You're funny also.

YOu thinking a warrior can strap on a light staff and turn into a healer is one of the funniest things i've heard in awhile :)

You should get a world pass and i'll even lend you my light staff. I want to see how your warrior outshines my pld at healing cause he has that all important 10% extra cure potency.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Trust me on this ok...having the actual healing ability is far more important than having an extra 10% to your heals from some piece of gear.

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Huh? Are serious about this?......

WAR/WHM has these relevant stats:
Healing Magic Skill: 138
MND: 75
VIT: 77

PLD/SCH has these:
Healing Magic Skill: 341 (Since PLD has native skill I believe Light Arts makes it a B+)
MND:80
VIT:83

Cure IVs should roll in around these numbers:
WAR/WHM: 370 + 10% (37) = 407
PLD/SCH: 395

So yes Alienmonkey's statement about a WAR/WHM giving better cures when they use a Light Staff and the PLD doesn't is true.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Huh? Are serious about this?......

WAR/WHM has these relevant stats:
Healing Magic Skill: 138
MND: 75
VIT: 77

PLD/SCH has these:
Healing Magic Skill: 341 (Since PLD has native skill I believe Light Arts makes it a B+)
MND:80
VIT:83

Cure IVs should roll in around these numbers:
WAR/WHM: 370 + 10% (37) = 407
PLD/SCH: 395

So yes Alienmonkey's statement about a WAR/WHM giving better cures when they use a Light Staff and the PLD doesn't is true.

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Lol...ok look, even if i accept your numbers pld/sch would vastly surprass a warrior/whm as a healer. Just the mp difference alone, not to mention all of the other benefits would far outweigh a cure 4 that does slightly more, though i am very very skeptical of this claim.

I'm going to test it tonight.

But in any case, a pld/sch will out heal a warrior/whm any day of the week and will be happy to prove this if nessasary. Just come to my server and I will show you. This debate has gotten ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Lol...ok look, even if i accept your numbers pld/sch would vastly surprass a warrior/whm as a healer. Just the mp difference alone, not to mention all of the other benefits would far outweigh a cure 4 that does slightly more, though i am very very skeptical of this claim.

I'm going to test it tonight.

But in any case, a pld/sch will out heal a warrior/whm any day of the week and will be happy to prove this if nessasary. Just come to my server and I will show you. This debate has gotten ridiculous.

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My numbers were simply to show you Cure Potency is better than Skill and a few higher stats. I nor Alienmonkey said WAR/WHM with a light staff was a better healer. It was that a WAR/WHM with a Light Staff would cure for more than a PLD. I went further and said a PLD/SCH as they should have higher skill than a PLD/anything else.

The point was to show you the thing that matters when it comes to cures is Cure Potency not skill I mean in my calculations PLD/SCH has 203 more Skill than WAR/WHM yet still loses to 10% Cure Potency. Not a large amount mind you, but that doesn't change the fact it loses.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

My numbers were simply to show you Cure Potency is better than Skill and a few higher stats. I nor Alienmonkey said WAR/WHM with a light staff was a better healer. It was that a WAR/WHM with a Light Staff would cure for more than a PLD. I went further and said a PLD/SCH as they should have higher skill than a PLD/anything else.

The point was to show you the thing that matters when it comes to cures is Cure Potency not skill I mean in my calculations PLD/SCH has 203 more Skill than WAR/WHM yet still loses to 10% Cure Potency. Not a large amount mind you, but that doesn't change the fact it loses.

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No.

This debate started because someone said paladins sucked at healing simply because they were unable to obtain 35% cure potency instead only being able to reach 10%. I was pointing out how ridiculous this was, as some extra percents on cure potency is hardly goign to make or break you as a healer.

And the debate was over who made the better healer. It was never about who could throw out the highest heal, which of course a /whm sub would have an advantage as he can use divine seal. Stop trying to change the debate.

Fact is a pld is a far better healer than a warrior is, with or without his precious light staff. The fact a warrior can put on a light staff and use divine seal and throw out a higher cure 4 means almost nothing when it comes to how effective of a healer you can be.

Pld sucks at healing because it isn't whm.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No.

This debate started because someone said paladins sucked at healing simply because they were unable to obtain 35% cure potency instead only being able to reach 10%. I was pointing out how ridiculous this was, as some extra percents on cure potency is hardly goign to make or break you as a healer.

And the debate was over who made the better healer. It was never about who could throw out the highest heal, which of course a /whm sub would have an advantage as he can use divine seal. Stop trying to change the debate.

Fact is a pld is a far better healer than a warrior is, with or without his precious light staff. The fact a warrior can put on a light staff and use divine seal and throw out a higher cure 4 means almost nothing when it comes to how effective of a healer you can be.

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When any job can get Cure IV from /WHM that means the only thing of value for cures is how much Cure Potency a given job can get in comparison to a PLD. And there are 8 other jobs that have better Cure Potency gear and/or better spells/abilities to help in the healer role it means PLD sucks at being a healer.

When a job comes in 9th place for a given task it is trying to accomplish that seems pretty sucky doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Alienmonkey

Pld sucks at healing because it isn't whm.

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Right. It doesn't matter that they can keep you alive on the fight. All that matters is they aren't white mages. They aren't the best, so they must SUCK. Just like all nukes suck unless they are black mage right? lol...

I think I"m beginning to recognize a common theme here.