Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Do you also wear tin foil hats?

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Yeah and i follow the daily radion message, maybe a alien will nock in, are you an alien? /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Yeah and i follow the daily radion message, maybe a alien will nock in, are you an alien? /sarcasm

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Why do you feel the need to put /sarcasm at the end of some of your posts and not /whining at the end of others?

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Why do you feel the need to put /sarcasm at the end of some of your posts and not /whining at the end of others?

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This makes no sense. How far do you want to walk away from the main subject anyway?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Abyssea at level 30 is wrong becouse:
-it makes 90% the regular areas empty

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Bring back exp, main change is East Ronfaure [S] and Bhaflau Thickets won't be empty. Maybe RARELY other areas. EDIT: I suppose Qufim Island and Korroloka Tunnel too to be fair!

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-it malfuntions the AH. Check low level Armors

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If you want people to craft you low level armor, just pay for it in such a way that it is profitable for them. Crafters are after profits. You shouldn't have trouble getting stuff crafted.

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-it partly decarases the number of good players

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Impossible to prove.

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-it makes the game basic only on a simple one way stroke

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What does this mean?

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-all ppl will have all jobs 90, redicioleus, you have to chose a Job, and then next one, and not offer all. Its just too easy to get all Jobs 90 but still being bad at them and not even having the skills.

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That's your view (and how many people do you know who have all jobs 90 despite having the ability to nowadays?). Skill point already addressed as impossible to prove.

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-it decarases the quality of the game compared to how it has been before(but this is my opionion)

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The only "quality" it decreases is exping, the most tedious and mind-numbing part of the game. It actually enhances general playability.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

How far away is the cliff you need to leap off of?

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Its in the other direction. in this direction is only a long desert you will get lost in and die becouse you will use up all your breath against me.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Its in the other direction. in this direction is only a long desert you will get lost in and die becouse you will use up all your breath against me.

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You seem to be confused with torture and fun.

The change would not be simple, and it would not go back to the "old way" as the time it takes.

Abyssea would be raised to 70/75, and at the same time EXP outside would be adjusted again, along with adding some of the things that make Abyssea nice, more chest drops, and adding more gil and EXP to the chests as well. It would get people to level in the old areas again, and since ExP would still be past (but not as fast as abyssea) people would also look at going to places they used to no go. EXP parties would be wide spread again, and so would lower level gear, and many other things that Abyssea screwed up.

If I ever did leech jobs, it would be for Maat's cap (like 7 jobs mostly 45->65) for unstacked Dancing Edge and Jeuno Warp and then maybe Thief to 90 so I have all three jobs that can use Twashtar.

I kind of doubt that anyone would miss having me play jobs I'm unenthusiastic about in their parties.

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Bring back exp, main change is East Ronfaure [S] and Bhaflau Thickets won't be empty. Maybe RARELY other areas. EDIT: I suppose Qufim Island and Korroloka Tunnel too to be fair!

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Its not hard to make pts, the point is there is no seekers anymore, the areas are empty, if you go in there and /see all you get a 0 on most areas, or maybe a 1-2 becouse someone is camping a NM.

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If you want people to craft you low level armor, just pay for it in such a way that it is profitable for them. Crafters are after profits. You shouldn't have trouble getting stuff crafted.

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Well all answers are just poor excuses for you to advance leeching becouse it will not affect crafters profit if you change the access to abyssea to 70, it will just make more armors for low levels be requested becouse they do not leech anymore and need them to be able to level. Crafters will earn more money and AH will be alive again. AH is a part of FFXI, we dont want cheap game Bazzaring like in FFXIV.

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Impossible to prove.

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Impossible to prove but everywhere recognizable

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What does this mean?

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It makes the game monotone. Same as Guild Wars or WoW there is only one big main target left, in the past we had multiple same good targets: Assault, Dynamis and Limbus, now those three and others lost any use becouse everything is runing into Abyssea.

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That's your view (and how many people do you know who have all jobs 90 despite having the ability to nowadays?). Skill point already addressed as impossible to prove.

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Many ppl got leeched up jobs, everyone of them is one who has at last not earned level 90 jobs

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The only "quality" it decreases is exping, the most tedious and mind-numbing part of the game. It actually enhances general playability.

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Thats just your opinion, mine is that this game was always perfect playable.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

You seem to be confused with torture and fun.

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Ill do nearly anything to silent you draging this posts away from the main subject. Even if its abandoning you in the desert.

Even if one could level all jobs (I only know one person who is considering this and it probably is for maat's cap for jobs that don't get better in the head slot since he didn't buy MKD) I doubt many people will because not all jobs interest them. Aside from Rdm most jobs don't pique my interest but I used to say if I leveled a DD job, it would be war, and so I eventually got war up to cap and geared it and skilled it up (still working on scythe/GS/Polearm for WS quests, high enough for Red procs). Whm I leveled because Rdm wasn't a good healer anymore in abyssea for most NMs and Much of the gear Rdm uses Whm can as well.
Gearing a job and knowing how to play it doesn't take all that much work for people who care about the job, people who are lazy are going to be lazy and gear/play badly regardless of how fast they get exp. People seem to somehow forget all the people wearing absolute crap at level 75 cap... The only thing Abyssea changed is it made it easier for lazy people to get exp, it didn't make people lazy. If there are so many people as you claim that don't like leeching, you should have no problem putting a group together from shouting for those people right? And as an added bonus, you'll have the best camps all to yourself now!

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Originally Posted by Byrth

There are plenty of people that don't really contribute even when they are on a level 90 job.

Read this and believe it:
* Abyssea parties require at most three DDs.

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One DD with good atma + 2 others to take over when they die from tanking everything?

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Originally Posted by hiko

I wont ask you to show your char, I'll just ask you a basic question:

DO you swap gear?

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Originally Posted by Vivik

I swap gear with my friends all the time, damnit!

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It's gear not a hooker.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Ill do nearly anything to silent you draging this posts away from the main subject. Even if its abandoning you in the desert.

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Needs to be dragged away so it gets locked. Nothing is gonna bring it to 70+ and the sooner you realize that the sooner we can move on to important changes in the game.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

It's gear not a hooker.

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I am a hooker.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Impossible to prove but everywhere recognizable

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Players with no skill/knowledge were recognizable years ago when the cap was 75, there was no abyssea, or even level sync.

It's a cheap argument, this cannot be blamed on the ability to leech.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Needs to be dragged away so it gets locked. Nothing is gonna bring it to 70+ and the sooner you realize that the sooner we can move on to important changes in the game.

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This post inst about other important changes in the game, this post is for raising access to above level 70, and i vote YES.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Even if one could level all jobs (I only know one person who is considering this and it probably is for maat's cap for jobs that don't get better in the head slot since he didn't buy MKD) I doubt many people will because not all jobs interest them. Aside from Rdm most jobs don't pique my interest but I used to say if I leveled a DD job, it would be war, and so I eventually got war up to cap and geared it and skilled it up (still working on scythe/GS/Polearm for WS quests, high enough for Red procs). Whm I leveled because Rdm wasn't a good healer anymore in abyssea for most NMs and Much of the gear Rdm uses Whm can as well.
Gearing a job and knowing how to play it doesn't take all that much work for people who care about the job, people who are lazy are going to be lazy and gear/play badly regardless of how fast they get exp. People seem to somehow forget all the people wearing absolute crap at level 75 cap... The only thing Abyssea changed is it made it easier for lazy people to get exp, it didn't make people lazy. If there are so many people as you claim that don't like leeching, you should have no problem putting a group together from shouting for those people right? And as an added bonus, you'll have the best camps all to yourself now!



One DD with good atma + 2 others to take over when they die from tanking everything?




It's gear not a hooker.

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Well first they leech unbeloved jobs to 75 for maat cap, then they go Abyssea and see that they want you another job 90 and another, and another, end of the story is you level them all to 90 without even knowing them.
Ppl whould do that just to not waste the exp from trasures, thats why they whould come with jobs they dont even want to play in Abyssea, just to have them 90.

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Originally Posted by Ica

Players with no skill/knowledge were recognizable years ago when the cap was 75, there was no abyssea, or even level sync.

It's a cheap argument, this cannot be blamed on the ability to leech.

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But the number of them has increase. And leeching is no ability, its cheating.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

But the number of them has increase. And leeching is no ability, its cheating.

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Then why aren't all the leeches banned?

I still do not get why people complaining so much. Stop people from abyssea leaching people will go back to summon burning. What next they change abyssea people will complain about summon burning.

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Originally Posted by Ica

Then why aren't all the leeches banned?

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Becouse SE cant bann ppl for leeching, but they looking for ways to resolve that matter.

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Originally Posted by Sasukeuchiha

I still do not get why people complaining so much. Stop people from abyssea leaching people will go back to summon burning. What next they change abyssea people will complain about summon burning.

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Summonburing was a problem too, but at last not that huge as Abysseas low access.
Sure there will be changes needed too.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Becouse SE cant bann ppl for leeching, but they looking for ways to resolve that matter.

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Really? Show me where it says that anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

Becouse SE cant bann ppl for leeching, but they looking for ways to resolve that matter.

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How do you know?

Zeitzone, until proven otherwise you are gimper than most leeches. Horribly gimp people were everywhere before and after Abyssea.

You can make parties in other zones, but why would you? You complain people only use Abyssea for exp (9 zones max) but people only used approximately 4 zones max to exp in before (and fighting a lot less diverse mob families at that).

What do you think why they raise exp outside of Abyssea? Why they put no limit on FoV.
Becouse they dislike the leeching as much as i do. Becouse a game only played in one area will not stail alive for long, ppl get bored fast, new ppl are left alone in empty areas. Atm they try it that way, if they see no good results they will change access for Abyssea.

No. No I think they just did that for people of your mind frame. Otherwise they would have already bumped up the level restriction on abyssea when they doubled EXP outside of it.

Don't infer what SE is doing unless you actually here them saying they're stopping leeching. People get banned for trying to stop people from leeching or getting quick EXP. Such as taking away mobs.

Assumption.

I could argue that they did that so you can get to 30 quicker to exp in Abyssea to 90. It would be equally backed up by evidence.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

What do you think why they raise exp outside of Abyssea? Why they put no limit on FoV.
Becouse they dislike the leeching as much as i do. Becouse a game only played in one area will not stail alive for long, ppl get bored fast, new ppl are left alone in empty areas. Atm they try it that way, if they see no good results they will change access for Abyssea.

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I still have yet to see a link where it says they don't like leeching.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Zeitzone, until proven otherwise you are gimper than most leeches. Horribly gimp people were everywhere before and after Abyssea.

You can make parties in other zones, but why would you? You complain people only use Abyssea for exp (9 zones max) but people only used approximately 4 zones max to exp in before (and fighting a lot less diverse mob families at that).

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We leveled in alot more then 4 areas, wtf you talk about, first pt startet in Dunes and alternatives like close to mhaura, other areas of leveling were quifim, sauromogue champaign, the sanctuary of zi'tah, the boyahda tree, kuftal tunnel, sandcaves, korolka tunnel, la thaine plateau, the Junge/both areas, and and and....
Nearly every second reagion has been unsed for leveling.

Abd what do you want to get proven poser?

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Originally Posted by Vivik

I still have yet to see a link where it says they don't like leeching.

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As if SE whould ever directly testify what they think, wake up, they are a big cooperation, statements are dangerous for them, thats why you still cant marry the same gender in this game.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Assumption.

I could argue that they did that so you can get to 30 quicker to exp in Abyssea to 90. It would be equally backed up by evidence.

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That argue is wrong becouse then they whould only change it in areas where you level till 30.

Prove that you're not gimp.

And that's funny, I seem to remember most people doing Qufim >> East Ronfaure [S] >> Bhaflau Thickets towards the end of the pre-Abyssea era, since people got sick of grinding.

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Sadly that argue is wrong becouse then they whould only change it in areas where you level till 30.

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Not necessarily; all FoV books being uncapped vs FoV books to level 30 being uncapped does not hinder levelling to 30 at all. This is to say that uncapping all FoV books does not make it harder to get to 30 than uncapping just the ones up to 30.

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As if SE whould ever directly testify what they think, wake up, they are a big cooperation, statements are dangerous for them, thats why you still cant marry the same gender in this game.

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Same sex marriage is a political issue, this is strictly a game mechanics one. They do show their stance on certain aspects of game mechanics, eg summoner burning which they condoned, Ironclad pinning which they condemned (and also implicitly condoning pinning), Wall of Justice pinning which they condemned, Souleater BloodWeapon zerging AV which they condemned implictly, even as recently as freezing your brew timer which is (currently) intentional.

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

As if SE whould ever directly testify what they think, wake up, they are a big cooperation, statements are dangerous for them, thats why you still cant marry the same gender in this game.

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Nice way to deflect responsibility and not back up what you say. Anything you have to say is now irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

One DD with good atma + 2 others to take over when they die from tanking everything?

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If you were going to single-target kill a monster population, 3 is the maximum number of DDs that any group of pullers/monster can really support. If you're going to AoE kill, you can do it solo or duo but having 3 Cleaves, Aeolian Edges, Aerojas, whatever go off at the same time makes it pretty much entirely safe. 3 DDs, maybe 3 pullers, a healer or two, and a bard, then enough leeches that chests always get keyed. Camp in the middle of any big agroing/linking monster population and try to avoid running out of monsters to kill.

Anyway, point is that maximum xp/hr is reached with groups far smaller than 18. There's no known penalty for bringing leechers along and keying chests is a cruor-drain so why not let people trade cruor for xp on their lowbie jobs?

If people wanted to exp Outside abyssea they would. I Don't think you people are looking hard enough. Or you people are just drooling over Nostalgia if 8k/hr Crab parties.

Every time some new Exp-Craze comes out that makes Exping Simpler, Theres always a large group of people who whine about it bringing to idiots to the game, Or its ruining normal Exp parties. Its not entirely that bad.

Yes, Your opinion is that Abyssea having a level 30 Minimum on it is bad, But theres a lot more people who enjoy being able to take the boredom of leveling a job from 30 > 70 through normal means.

Now don't start thinking something stupid like 'hur hur he must have leveled all his jobs in Abyssea'. No... I got a Maat's Cap before Abyssea, I never even SMN burned a single job. I leveled all of them through MMM or Traditional Exp. It was slow, and i know most people wouldn't enjoy it. And i certainly would not force it on anyway.

The difference between The Opinion of this thread, and say Viviks, Is that Viviks isn't trying to force his opinions on how EXP parties should be run on everyone regardless. The idea of raising level min. in abyssea from 30 to 70 is forcing your opinion on exp down everyones throat, and taking away their ability to chose for themselves. To be quite frank, Its not going to happen because of that reason. I'm sorry if you do not agree with my opinion on that.

But, The Way it is now, People can chose at level 30 rather they would like old-style exp, Or To try and get an Abyssea Leech. Me and my brother Recently leveled BLU + THF Together, Within just the last ~month. We exped Normally all the way until level 63/64 Together, Traditional Out-Of-Abyssea-Exp parties. All we did was build our own party. It was enjoyable. at 63 While LFG i got blind-invited to Abyssea Uleg- Party, I Accepted it and got to 90 in 1 night.

Does that mean me nor him suddenly don't know how to play the job? Certainly not. I have Multiple 90 Jobs and i make it a goal to at least learn basics about the job. Anything i don't know i learn through Questions and Trial and Error.


Last week my GF Took up Thief as a Sub job, Within moments of LFG she got an Invite to an E.Ronf(S) Party. These parties still exist.

And Regarding the problem of "Not enough people LFG in XXX Range". When i was getting my Maats cap, I had too more times than not "/sea all invite 40-70" Just to be able to find a DECENT part set up, And even then more times than not i had to Random-Tell a WHM or RDM to exp cause they were rarely looking for group too.

Less Low-Level parties is not ENTIRELY Abysseas fault. Most people in FFXI's late age have already leveled all the jobs they wanted, Every now and again theres 1-2 people LFG, But this is the what naturally happens when a game ages. Less People LFG Low-Level is because less people have low-level jobs to level these days. For instance all of my jobs are 66+, Except for PUP, COR, DNC, and SCH... 4 Jobs I'm very unlikely to level past a sub job.

So now, Instead of those people who do have Sub jobs to level, or People who want to take up new jobs this late in the game having to wait for an Invite while soloing and a mind-numbing pace, They have the Option to Level the job through Abyssea, Which is easier to find a party for. Forcing he Level Min. To 70 will only hurt people who want to level low level jobs, Because removing the Option for Abyssea won't change enough to make Low-Level exp parties more common, The only thing its going to do is force people, Who could be leveling in Abyssea, to Solo while LFG for hours.

It would do nothing but hinder the Average players experience in the game.


Now, Please Hear me when i say i understand how frustrating it is to join an Abyssea party to have 3~Leeches sitting in a corner doing nothing while the 4th Leech Barely Opens boxes. But those types of parties you just drop like its hot. Cause thankfully theres always a good few Abyssea parties going. I understand that What i'm voicing is an Opinion, But you need to understand I'm not forcing my opinion on the game and everyone else like this threads idea is.

My opinion is to keep things the way they are, Give people their own right to chose to Exp Normally, or Exp in Abyssea. This is a good system. I'm sorry if you don't feel people are Exping "normally" Enough anymore, Buts its rarely due to Abyssea being easier, and more to do with the game is in its late stage and naturally less people LFG, So they opt for the next solution to not having to solo, Which is Abyssea.

Raising the Minimum to 70 would be forcing the opinion of "Normal Exp parties" on Everyone. because instead of now having the option to level Out-side Abyssea, or Inside, They are forced outside rather they like it or not.


TL;DR: Its fine how it is. We have the Options of Leveling old way, or new way. People will always chose what they want. Taking away their choice is not the solution.

And the flaming wars continue lmao.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Nice way to deflect responsibility and not back up what you say. Anything you have to say is now irrelevant.

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That says a guy who thinks he can mute the oposite opinion? You are a sad person.
The evidences are everywhere, you are just blind to it.

well if it was raised from 30 to 70 the new players like myself would be dis encouraged to play and that would make SE lose money off potential customers...

If they're everywhere, you won't have a problem posting it?

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Originally Posted by Zeitzone

It makes the game monotone. Same as Guild Wars or WoW there is only one big main target left, in the past we had multiple same good targets: Assault, Dynamis and Limbus, now those three and others lost any use becouse everything is runing into Abyssea.

Many ppl got leeched up jobs, everyone of them is one who has at last not earned level 90 jobs

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Exping for hours and hours for one level isn't monotonous?

Players can still do Dynamis. Have you ever thought about the plans the developers have for FFXI? Perhaps they want to move away from the old content like Assault and Limbus, which is why they made Abyssea. Or they have future plans for it and they haven't released it yet. I mean they are already changing Dynamis.

Who cares if other players got all their jobs up to 90? Why does that matter to you?