Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

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Originally Posted by Ash

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and lastly tell me what is the ps2 fault that it took s-e 3years to finish wotg? like someone said earlier he could play this game for 5 years and still have stuff to do( and judging by your account so do you)

Let s-e worry about the content and enjoy whats already out ok?

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On a technical sense the fault of WoTG taking 3yrs to complete is because of ps2 and XIV. They didn't bother to make anymore expanded story expansion packs with new new zones not rehashed zones because of ps2 limitation, to make production of areas easier and because they were relying on XIV to take on the steam for XIV.

What they failed with though is XIV kinda fell flat and it's graphic requirements alienate those who may still be playing on ps2, so in a sense they did shoot themselves in the foot with that. By ps2 players I mean those who play on ps2 most likely wouldn't have what's required to play XIV.

But ya the reason why it was stretched out as much as it was is cause the limitations of the ps2 which after WoTG and even during it they already rehashed areas. While the concept of another world to see the war of vandiel is interesting the reasoning behind it was to have quicker production times even though they did take so long to get all the content out. They were really hoping to make WoTG a final chapter like story where all the pieces fall into place and we understand the reasoning as to why everything started. If you look at things they really had no plans of giving us a true VU and they do basically put ps2 at fault with it. A game like everquest has multiple expansion packs and is still running because of the fact it's only platform is a computer. Meanwhile XI is limited by the capabilities of the ps2 and is pretty much impossible to upgrade.

PC users will leave when they start to get bored of the content, if you compare this to an MMO like everquest there really is no drive to play now once WoTG is complete. All the content being added now just seems to be content with no real story behind it, or if it is it's an afterthought. I'm sure a majority of XI players found the game fun for it's story and once you get rid of that all you have is a game where you just keep getting better gear with every update kinda like WoW.

I am hoping this survey may reveal some good news, granted I'll feel bad for those that play on the ps2 but with the way the game is now we have no hope of ever seeing the whole world of vandiel and that to me just kills any drive to really play the game lol.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Well, They could refuse to move to PC /360. That is the only way that would cause a loss of revenue. But like I said, I doubt that there are that many of them Who would join in your boycott of other systems. Most people aren't willing to give up their accounts and years of work just to prove they love PS2. So again it boils down to you saying they are poor.

You say they will lose revenue, but as we saw a few pages back: It takes roughly 387 player accounts to pay the salary of just 1 ( grossly underpaid ) programmer, and 1 ( again underpaid ) tester. In real life though, I think we all know that there is a lot more overhead involved in running this game than just 2 guys in a room. So by cutting the costs of PS2 programming, they would have to lose a ton of players to even make it a wash. If a lot don't quit, its automatic profit.

The only reason I see them keeping PS2 is to keep an image with people who are Sony brand loyal.

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Again when did i say these ppl were gonna boycott? i speculated( just like you are) that some ppl on the inferior platform would end up quitting.

Again your money saved argumen is pure speculation, do you have factual fact to back it up? what if all the programmers worked on the ps2 version then when their done switch to working on pc version, same for developpers. Also i think 387 is really a small number if you take into account the whole NA/JP playerbase(you can translate all the post on the links me and eric posted, it still seems that for every japanese players hating/not playing on the ps2, there is one playing on the ps2/ps3)

For the last time i was saying that dropping ps2 support without a ps3 is like shooting themselves in the foot, not that ps2 will should boycott s-e if they were to drop support.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that JP players also hate the PS2. After all, by doing so, you are making the conversation about how poor you are rather than whether or not people support the discontinuation of the PS2.

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Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that English players also play on the PS2. After all, by doing so you are making the conversation about what you prefer rather than whether or not people support the continuation of the PS2.

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Again when did i say these ppl were gonna boycott? i speculated( just like you are) that some ppl on the inferior platform would end up quitting.

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If people aren't going to quit, then there is no loss of profit. You implied that there could be enough people quitting to sink the game. The JP thread you referenced is full of posts suggesting that people want to change platforms, and are mainly hanging on because they want to support Sony, not Microsoft. I don't believe they would outright quit (thus boycotting Microsoft) in order to do that. I made light of it by referencing a Latin american labor rights supporter who organized various boycotts in support of his cause. My point still stands.

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Again your money saved argumen is pure speculation, do you have factual fact to back it up? what if all the programmers worked on the ps2 version then when their done switch to working on pc version, same for developpers.

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If there are 8 developers working 1 hour a day on PS2, SE still pays the same as 1 developer working 8 hours a day. Six of one - half dozen of the other type thing.

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Also i think 387 is really a small number if you take into account the whole NA/JP playerbase(you can translate all the post on the links me and eric posted, it still seems that for every japanese players hating/not playing on the ps2, there is one playing on the ps2/ps3)

For the last time i was saying that dropping ps2 support without a ps3 is like shooting themselves in the foot, not that ps2 will should boycott s-e if they were to drop support.

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387 was just an example based on a a salary of $30,000 a year. Average programmer salary in japan is $60,000. SE is rumored to pay roughly twice the national average. That is a lot of people boycotting just to offset the salary of 1 guy. See what I mean?

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If people aren't going to quit, then there is no loss of profit. You implied that there could be enough people quitting to sink the game. The JP thread you referenced is full of posts suggesting that people want to change platforms, and are mainly hanging on because they want to support Sony, not Microsoft. I don't believe they would outright quit (thus boycotting Microsoft) in order to do that. I made light of it by referencing a Latin american labor rights supporter who organized various boycotts in support of his cause. My point still stands.



If there are 8 developers working 1 hour a day on PS2, SE still pays the same as 1 developer working 8 hours a day. Six of one - half dozen of the other type thing.




387 was just an example based on a a salary of $30,000 a year. Average programmer salary in japan is $60,000. SE is rumored to pay roughly twice the national average. That is a lot of people boycotting just to offset the salary of 1 guy. See what I mean?

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They want to change platforms from ps2 to ps3 thats all potential players your losing by cutting support, Hell your the one who linked the post about the jp complaining that it costs too much to repair a ps2.

Don t you see that its your own flawed vision of things versus my own flawed vision of thing? Theres is so much more to take into account/that we do not have info to speculate on.

All ive seen in this post is ppl trying to convince themselves that nobody plays on ps2 in hope of shinny things and as soon as someone says he likes the ps2/plays on it he s a retard or he s poor...so the question is how many ps2 players didn t bother to post in the thread because of all the animosity towards them? If you read some of the comments in that post eric linked, even the Pc enthusiast in Japan still wish for a ps3 port of the game and in that same thread there is more ps2 players( try way more) than in this thread.


You have all rights to want shiny things out of the game but really i don t see it happening even if ps2 support is dropped.

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Feel free to also ignore the part where I proved that English players also play on the PS2

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All 6 of you

Wanting a PS3 port doesn't mean that they wouldn't change platforms if they had to.

The Japanese love FFXI too much to quit just because PS2 support is dropped. I'm willing to bet that most of them would switch to PC if they really had to.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

All 6 of you

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This is exact stupid assumptions i was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Wanting a PS3 port doesn't mean that they wouldn't change platforms if they had to.

The Japanese love FFXI too much to quit just because PS2 support is dropped. I'm willing to bet that most of them would switch to PC if they really had to.

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The less platform option you offer to people the more chances you get of them quitting, but you do make a valid point for once, thats some japanese players won t quit over it.