Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

Oh good, you guys DO know how stupid it is to say "X job is only useful for Y." Now, since you want to argue stupidly, replace X with any job except "SMN."

"WAR is only useful for Fell Cleaving?"
"WHM is only useful for Cure 6?"

The problem isn't that "SMN is only good for ___." The problem is you are not competent at job "SMN."

Greatguardian, post better. And learn about elemental weaknesses.

WAR is better at DDing than SMN.
WHM is better at Healing than SMN.

SMN is better at doing Earthen Armor, Perfect Defense, and fights where meleeing isn't a goo choice.

This is fun, lets try it again.

You probably play SMN as well as you follow directions.


Let's try it "BG fanboy" way:
A SMN heals better than a WAR
A SMN deals damage better than a WHM

OR:
A SMN and a WAR deals damage better than a WAR
A SMN and a WHM heal better than a WHM

Let's face it, only in this thread do there exist sockpuppets who think the matter is a choice between one job and another.

lol sock puppet. Nice one, it hurts.

Here's some logic for you:

Name three situations, ever, where you shouldn't have come on either a DD or a healing job. Oh, yeah... PD, EA, and mobs you can't melee effectively...

ohshi*

Are you saying that you don't have any other job leveled for events aside from SMN? Cause that's the only reason you would bring it outside of those three situations.

You probably don't even deal damage better than a Whm (in abyssea where your argument for melee smn is even viable).
No shit you heal better than a job with no fucking native way to heal, seriously wtf type of argument is that. Just because you can do a bunch of roles at a subpar level, does not mean you are useful.

Your 2nd option isn't a choice between one job or another, try again.

A WAR and a WAR (BRD, MNK, NIN, etc) deals damage better than a SMN and a WAR
A WHM and a WHM heal better than a SMN and a WHM

I don't know about you, but if my friends need help with something I'm going to bring out the most efficient job I have on both my main and my mule for the task. If I'm dual-boxing something when a friend is bored and offers me help then I usually ask them what job they want to come on. As long as they don't fed the mob TP, heal it, etc, then I don't see why not since I didn't need help with it to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I will always be invited for my emp weapon SMN by every other emp weapon holder, if for no other reason than I helped them get their weapons.

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Meaning you will force yourself into other's events as a gimp DD.

I play Dancer and recognize its limitations. "Versatility" is a crutch leaned on by people that are mediocre in a lot of ways. FFXI's party and job systems aren't designed for "versatility." They're designed so you can go change jobs and do the event better. "Versatility" is what you rely on in single-job games.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

If you're only good at one job and the rest of your jobs are Aurore-tier crap, you're pretty much a crap player period. And no, it has nothing to do with being a mage. Epic-tier DDs get asked to come WHM plenty, when it's needed. Boohoo all you want about mage persecution, it's utter crap and you know it.

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This is 100% true in my case. I have a near perfectly decked out THF and BST but I'm asked to come to most things on my WHM because I'm good at it even tho my gear is nowhere near as good on WHM as it is my other main jobs.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

WAR is better at DDing than SMN.
WHM is better at Healing than SMN.

SMN is better at doing Earthen Armor, Perfect Defense, and fights where meleeing isn't a goo choice.

This is fun, lets try it again.

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You're an idiot, because the point isn't to be the best. It's to be better than oneself could have been.

THE POINT IS NOT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE BEST.

THE POINT IS NOT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE BEST.

THE POINT IS NOT TO BE THE NUMBER ONE BEST.

Get it yet?

The point is to broaden and improve one's capability. Ideally more accepted as well, but despite having 20 jobs in the game it doesn't matter which one you are unless you're one of about four of them, so that's expecting a lot. Now I realize quite a few people, especially elitists, will not invite anyone that isn't the absolute number one best at something, but for other people, who realize this is a game we're playing, anyone that can do the job will suffice.

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Are you saying that you don't have any other job leveled for events aside from SMN? Cause that's the only reason you would bring it outside of those three situations. Is this versitality going to gain you a party slot when other needed jobs are present? Probably not. Does it enable you to perform well if given the oppertunity? Yes, it does.

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SMN is not the worst job, I'm sorry. It's rejected because it's not the BEST at anything, but it's not the worst. Perosnally, I have 5 jobs that I play, and none of them are the "top tier" jobs.

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I play Dancer and recognize its limitations. "Versatility" is a crutch leaned on by people that are mediocre in a lot of ways.

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Versitality is not a crutch and doesn't mean you are "mediocre." I'm not sure what Dancer limitations you're referring to. Maybe it's damage capability, I don't know, but since DNC can do passibly in that area (though not my first choice of role), I don't know what you're referring to. I play DNC quite a bit, and actually get asked to use it for events quite often. DNC is another versatile job.

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Epic-tier DDs get asked to come WHM plenty

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This is only because even "epic tier" DDs are a dime a dozen while WHMs are always in short supply BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T FIND IT FUN. That said, a lot of you people are forgetting this is a game we're playing. SMN, and some other not "epic tier" jobs mentioned in this discussion, along with every other job, can all be used in a winning strategy for any fight. Throughout SMN's existence I've proved time and time again that SMN can be a part of a winning team. "Oh you can't win that on SMN" *goes and wins fight* .... If you don't demand the absolute number one job and gear for every role every time, you'll realize that you can have fun and still get shiat done.

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(in abyssea where your argument for melee smn is even viable).

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Please stop repeating this crap. It's just as, if not more viable outside of abyssea.

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Summoner community just made the mistake of refusing to perform half of their viable roles by being complete prudes about Healing.

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Nobody likes healing, and every job heals better than SMN. SMN only got portrayed this way because at the time, WHM was the only sub job that offered anything whatsoever to SMN. No other job in the game gets asked to play only their subjob. At the time SMN was newer, people literally shunned you for using your avatars at all and expected you to do nothing but cure. Is curing viable for SMN? Of course it is, if there's no one else around to do it. Does that mean it's the only thing it can do? No. It wasn't a mistake to be "complete prudes" about healing. The reason people were like this is becuase the non-summoner community refused to recognize that SMN was capable of anything else.

Man isn't this lovely- First we're just talking about weapons, now it's a "let's crap all over SMN" thread.