Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

Holy crap can you guys talk. I'd rather not read the book that is this thread.

I actually use full break all the time, because I almost always have over 100% TP and at the start of a fight and there's no need for Ukko's.

No idea how it works, don't really care. Assuming it reduces evasion like in the description of shield break, it'll help procs for those who don't have capped skill. If someone brings to my attention that it doesn't, I'll just use shield break.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Holy crap can you guys talk. I'd rather not read the book that is this thread.
I actually use full break all the time, because I almost always have over 100% TP and at the start of a fight and there's no need for Ukko's.
No idea how it works, don't really care. Assuming it reduces evasion like in the description of shield break, it'll help procs for those who don't have capped skill. If someone brings to my attention that it doesn't, I'll just use shield break.

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lol ^^ Yeah, it's been a lot of convo's throughout /stagger

Well, here's how Full Break works currently - Full Break

and the issue this thread is addressing is that it would be nice to see better returns in terms of effectiveness and visual feedback from the ws and the other Break ws's like it. Of course after getting word that the Devs are in fact planning on adjusting lots of ws's across the board Break ws's included, the conversation has shifted to the design logic of having multiple ws's that are either under powered or not as effective when you generally only use your most powerful ws in nearly every battle situation.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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lol ^^ Yeah, it's been a lot of convo's throughout /stagger

Well, here's how Full Break works currently - Full Break

and the issue this thread is addressing is that it would be nice to see better returns in terms of effectiveness and visual feedback from the ws and the other Break ws's like it. Of course after getting word that the Devs are in fact planning on adjusting lots of ws's across the board Break ws's included, the conversation has shifted to the design logic of having multiple ws's that are either under powered or not as effective when you generally only use your most powerful ws in nearly every battle situation.

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Well those debuffs already seem more than good enough.

As for visual effects, you'd have to revamp every other weaponskill to show balance. Pretty much everything in the game pre-WotG is actually pretty dull in terms of graphics, with the exception of some specific things.

The only way you'll get people to use something other than their best WS is to make them better in certain situations, or have different TP costs, or have one that doesn't generate enmity or greatly reduces your enmity on the hate list. Until the game shifts from PROC -> ZERG ZERG ZERG I don't see it changing.

Full Break is already useful. Try taking on Neo-Xarcabard NMs without a Bard or Corsair. Let me know how high your accuracy and cRatio values are. As a near-perfect geared Verethragna MNK, next to a near-perfect geared Masamune SAM and a significantly-above-average geared Almace BLU, we could barely scratch some of them without support. 600 dmg VSmite > 600 dmg Fudo > wait, the BLU WS'ing would require it hitting enough to get TP.

Break WS are good on things that are stronger than the player. When things are weak, you don't use them. When things are strong, it's already extremely powerful and doesn't really need to be buffed. This update included things which are stronger than the player. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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lol ^^ Yeah, it's been a lot of convo's throughout /stagger

Well, here's how Full Break works currently - Full Break

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I fixed your link, it goes to the proper wiki now.
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The problem with Full Break isn't its potency, it's the low probability that it will land on any monster that you want those debuffs for. Also, it should be noted that the single-debuff Break WSs are reported to give a larger debuff (Armor Break is reported at -25% DEF compared to Full Break's -12.5% DEF).

So if you're doing it for damage in Abyssea, you should really be using Armor Break instead of Full.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

The problem with Full Break isn't its potency, it's the low probability that it will land on any monster that you want those debuffs for. Also, it should be noted that the single-debuff Break WSs are reported to give a larger debuff (Armor Break is reported at -25% DEF compared to Full Break's -12.5% DEF).

So if you're doing it for damage in Abyssea, you should really be using Armor Break instead of Full.

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So then how much eva- is shield break? Would definitely help me proc on that damn scythe.

Wiki claims 40.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

So then how much eva- is shield break? Would definitely help me proc on that damn scythe.

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Great Axe Weapon Skills

Shield Break
Skill level: 5
Lowers enemy's Evasion. Duration of effect varies with TP.

Lowers Evasion by as much as 40 if unresisted.
Strong against: Bees, Beetles, Birds, Crabs, Crawlers, Flies, Lizards, Mandragora, Opo-opo, Pugils, Sabotenders, Scorpions, Sea Monks, Spiders, Tonberry, Yagudo.
Immune: Bombs, Gigas, Ghosts, Sheep, Skeletons, Tigers.

Full Break
Skill level: 225 (Warriors only.)
Lowers enemy's attack, defense, accuracy, and evasion. Duration of effect varies with TP.

Lowers attack and defense by 12.5%, evasion by 20 points, and estimated to also lower accuracy by 20 points.
These enfeebles are given as four seperate status effects, resists calculated seperately for each. They almost always wear off simultaneously, but have been observed to wear off at different times.
Strong against: Coeurls.
Immune: Antica, Cockatrice, Crawlers, Worms.

It's half of all the individual WS bonuses combined into one weaponskill.
Shield Break: Eva -40
Armor Break: DEF -25%
Weapon Break: Atk-25%
Full Break: Eva-20, DEF/ATK-12.5%

In most situations that you're considering using a break, you're really using it to decrease one specific stat. Because the weaponskills do such terrible damage anyway, you should probably use the version with the most potent debuff instead of Full.