Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

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Originally Posted by Kuzyk

most people who do it are useless at their jobs.

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Most people that leveled traditionally to 75 were useless at their jobs. Besides there is a thread for your support of raising the level cap. Stay on topic. This thread is for lowering the level requirement.

Rog is saying if you have 18 people there, unless 12 of them are leeches then your efficiency is out the window.

Why? Because it only takes 1-2 good DD to kill as fast as mobs spawn. Pullers and healing can make up the other 3-4 people. That's it.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

yeah, if only 2/3 of your party is working for xp, and 1/3 is leeching, id say your "efficiency" is already fucked.

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3 People could obtain higher efficiency then 90% of the pick party's on quetz.

I've leeched blm 57-90, whm 45-90 and mnk 40-90 in Abyssea. I already had 7 75 jobs when Abyssea was released. People whine about how your skills will be gimped when you leech, blah blah blah. Well guess what - just like me, a LOT of the people that want the Abyssea lvl cap removed, already had several 75 jobs prior to lvl cap increase. I had rdm and pld and both had all magic skills (except healing magic for pld) capped. I had already skilled up h2h on nin a looooong time ago (Hades Sainti says hi, lol). This is the case for a lot of other people too, I'm sure. It's not like everybody that leeches in Abyssea, enters with 0 skill (combat or magic) on the leech job.

Besides, it's not like you manage to cap skill per level (combat skills) in an abyssea exp alliance from 75+. You'll ding 90 and your weapon will be quite behind, skill wise.

Skilling up is NOT hard.

By all means, please do remove the level cap on entering Abyssea.

no it isnt a joke i bring my thf/nin and solo mobs pretty easy just stay away from the aoe one's. and most of the time only like 3 to 5 people doing them.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

yeah, if only 2/3 of your party is working for xp, and 1/3 is leeching, id say your "efficiency" is already fucked.

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My normal exp parties consisted of me on 90blm, and then 5-10+ leeches. We got more exp than most pickup groups. Anything more than 1-2 pullers, 1-2 aoe jobs, (smn) is leeching, and can't possibly contribute anything.

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Originally Posted by rog

My normal exp parties consisted of me on 90blm, and then 5-10+ leeches. We got more exp than most pickup groups. Anything more than 1-2 pullers, 1-2 aoe jobs, (smn) is leeching, and can't possibly contribute anything.

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It's hard for some players to wrap their head around this, because they are only able to get into gimp ass pickup groups.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

So because you've now lost this argument/have no reasoning for your opinions you're just going to try and mpk people? Butthurt much?

But mpk away, most people have Apoc atma and have infinite rr3.

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That your opinion on who's win what ever agruement there only a handful of people who commented on this. You make it sound like the whole community has the same opinion which is baseless because most of this are repost from same people, but im sure you find some excuse. There's no benifit from a leecher besides open chest there pretty much useless. The only thing Abyssea partying produce more is more lazy people who stands there thinking its fun opening chest just watching from the side lines and expect other to accept there lazniess with open arm's. Beyond that I like abyssea exp when people work for it and not just on the side lines and actually contribute to the partying beside opening chest which i commented on being stupid to begin with but again ill stress that my opinion on the subject I don't try to shove it down someone throat because i disagree with them.. But ill agree mpk is pushing it a bit so yea that would be extreme if i did something like that but i do not like leechers..

You need at least one person dedicated to opening chests otherwise you will start losing chests. Also, you don't want your DDs or healers doing this because they should be DDing and healing. Therefore the person who is opening the chests is not contributing anything but opening chests (which as I pointed out is important) so they may as well be on a low level job.

Also, a week or so ago two friends of mine and I went to Vunkerl to work on cruor and Emp feet. We were BLM, NIN, and WHM. The WHM wasn't really necessary. We easily got 200k cruor with just the three of us in a few hours. If you have more than 3-4 people doing something in an exp alliance you aren't very efficient anyway.

I think that most people go exp in an alliance because it's fun to exp with that many people, it's of company, and at the beginning of Abyssea it was something new and interesting. An alliance is not really necessary.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

That your opinion on who's win what ever agruement there only a handful of people who commented on this. You make it sound like the whole community has the same opinion which is baseless because most of this are repost from same people, but im sure you find some excuse. There's no benifit from a leecher besides open chest there pretty much useless. The only thing Abyssea partying produce more is more lazy people who stands there thinking its fun opening chest just watching from the side lines and expect other to accept there lazniess with open arm's. Beyond that I like abyssea exp when people work for it and not just on the side lines and actually contribute to the partying beside opening chest which i commented on being stupid to begin with but again ill stress that my opinion on the subject I don't try to shove it down someone throat because i disagree with them..

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You are the minority no matter how hilariously loud you are.