World spawning HNM

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Originally Posted by Anewie

Me and you are completely different players and I completely agree with you. I understand where Natenn is coming from but I also don't have the time to camp stuff a lot and if I ever come back to game, i'd like to adjust my playtime to my interests. If I wanna camp a Trophy mob to feel accomplished, whether it's for the trophy drop, the exclusivity of the mob or the rush of the fight/claim, thats the way I likeed to play occasionally and there absolutley nothing wrong with that.

Whats "wrong" is when I want the game to revolve around my issues and playtime, which is stupid. News flash, everyone has a different schedule and interests. It doesnt make someone a botter, a no lifer (although they might be a both) and it also doesnt make someone a noob or unworthy(although they might be both..)

Me personally, I never understood why certain players don't enjoy exclusive content. I'll never understand why everyone wants to be the same and have the same stuff. I only ever felt any personal accomplishment in game when I did salvage or HNM. That doesn't make me a loser either.

I did enjoy limbus, dynamis, nyzul. Those were fun and entertaining to me but the reason I quit game was simply because a certain aspect of the game is now gone. Is it a shallow aspect? You might think so and that's okay. But its what I enjoyed doing in ffxi among many other things and 8 years in, id say ive grown a lot as a gamer.

I've never been the player who says "haha i got your hnm drops! Im superior! Ull never beat me!". The fun from HNMs came from the accomplishing feeling. That to me, was "fun". When I first got 75, and everyone was in aery, i couldnt get into a king ls. This was wayyy back in the day. I think like in 2003-2004. That was not fun to me being left out. By time King bodies got into einherjar.. I was already in a hnmls. We didn't win claim much but we made progress. My point is, I was very happy king bodies were made elsewhere and that's how it should be with hnm drops. Gaiters/Ridill/Dring should have already been in odins chamber imo.

Although I think some content should be exclusive, the value of the availability of the rewards needs to be balanced in such a way that we can have it both ways.

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My Idea is perfect for your type of play style and Mine.
But if you want an exclusive trophy from out claiming an NM that respawns every 24-74 hours then that trophy needs to be a Mog house kinda Trophy where u can put it on for decor or something to show how you claimed the HNM in order to obtain the item that extra bonus item. Maybe it could be a Statue of the HNM you camped? Something like that for show off but, Not something that is a gear that is very valuable and epic where a lot of people like me also want it badly but cannot afford time to get it and will not experience it due to this limitation.

I am against this mainly because I want to also enjoy contents that I would like to participate and get a good chance in getting things from them. I feel accomplishment when I get things done and my character improves in every aspect when I log in for the day. I don't feel like im wasting time and that is the feeling I like when it comes down to Abyssea Pop NMs for seals etc.

You may not like this game right now, But I LOVE IT waaaaaay more than I did before.
This is why I discourage any Old HNM system where exclusive epic gear comes in and I will never get the chance to get the item I want from them.

I hate posting ideas (since most of the time my ideas suck), but I thought I'd just throw this out there. I kind of liked it when SE changed some of the old NMs to drop drop the Rare/Ex version of a piece of equipment while an AH-able version was available from battlefields. Heck, you could use the high-kindred's crests for even more battlefields next update that drops top tier gear while also adding new NMs to claim that drop the rare/ex version (and title). Well, just a thought...

Arlan changed sig to try and act all righteous lol, theres different types of gamers so those 1-6 you posted are your opinion. Gamers are ppl who play games, theres many types: Hardcore, casual, dedicated, good, bad, mediacore, ect. Just because i like something and you don't doesn't make you right or me wrong. Sure you think its fun now, but for ppl who did HNM for years its the same thing bar competition which is the only thing that kept most of "my crowd" as someone so elequently put it playing. Game base has been cut down since abyssea, no competition = ppl get bored/quit.

no
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What you gonna do when new world spawns come out? :)

no

10chars

I don't get it, 10 chars what? You are just spamming the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

10 chars what?

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did you really just ask this?

its a petty attempt at trolling from my perspective

no

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tell you what, i will leave you alone, and stay out of this thread forever, if you say the real reason you want world pop hnm's back

we all know what it is, its been said many many times, and yet you try to say something different everytime, so do this for me, be a man, grow a pair, and man up to what your true intentions are

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Originally Posted by Natenn

its a petty attempt at trolling from my perspective

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why don't you try typing "no" and see what happens. It isn't rocket science lol...

have you read the rest of his posts, i think your asking a lot here

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Originally Posted by Sureal

have you read the rest of his posts, i think your asking a lot here

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Touché


10chars

ball is in your court sir, tick tock tick tock

The real reason? What on earth are you babbling about? I said i want competition back in the game, no idea what you could be talking about.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

Arlan changed sig to try and act all righteous lol, theres different types of gamers so those 1-6 you posted are your opinion. Gamers are ppl who play games, theres many types: Hardcore, casual, dedicated, good, bad, mediacore, ect. Just because i like something and you don't doesn't make you right or me wrong. Sure you think its fun now, but for ppl who did HNM for years its the same thing bar competition which is the only thing that kept most of "my crowd" as someone so elequently put it playing. Game base has been cut down since abyssea, no competition = ppl get bored/quit.

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Your a very delusional individual.
My sig doesn't say "You must be a FPS fan to be a gamer"
My sig doesn't say "You must be an RPG fan to be a gamer"
My sig doesn't tell you what kind of games or styles you should like in order to be considered a gamer.

My Sig simply tells people that gamers play games to enjoy, wether your casual or hardcore, don't matter.
I can be a Hardcore FPS fan but that doesn't mean I want to wait 24-74hours just to get a chance to be next in line to play a round. Heck no. Hard core players want to play not wait and they certainly don't want to waste time doing nothing when they want to play their favorite game/content/challenge/event.

Your brain washed in thinking hardcore players want HUGE time sink elements when the reality is, hard core players want the exact opposite. They want more challenges, accessable challenges and they wana do them as much as they can for how long as they can.

and guess what,

Casual players also want the same thing too. They want accessable contents and challanging contents, but 24-75hour repop is just plain Bull.

Keep deluding yourself with your cult in way of thinking this.
You may be a different gamer than I am, and you may enjoy different styles than I do, But that doesn't change the fact that We both pay to play the game and we both want to log on and play the game.

I want to log on and GAME!
You want to log on when the game tells you to Game.

This doesn't make it a "Different style", this is just a system made to prevent majority to have the schedule to play their game of content they wish to partake.

And if this is the case, I'm missing out on content cause I cannot put my life schedule around "The Game" because you prefer it that way, so people like me are missing contents we pay SE for our monthly payment.

For that, I have to say: NO THANKS.

Like I said, go outside and "Pretend" you are being timed to pop or spawn an NM so it feels like an HNM for you or something. Limit yourself is fine but limiting others so you obtain Epic Gear that no one else can obtain because of the "Time sink, play on the game's schedule only" method, is plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

What you gonna do when new world spawns come out? :)

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If it comes out, then I consider it useless content and Wont participate in it because I have a life and I got better things to do with my time than waste it with players like you who want to claim it away from me.

Only time I would participate would be when Everyone stops camping them cause they already have it, that way I would have access to enjoy fighting the NM with my friends while hoping to get a drop rate.

But I bet that wont be the case since if it is designed anything like the old FFXI HNM system where everyone keeps doing them cause of low ass drop rates, then I would say "SE, give us a better way to low man this with a Battle Field style event and let us go at it once every game day to avoid such horrible HNM mechanics so everyone can get a chance at it who want to play at their own schedule and not the Game's."

I would continue to do things more worth while of my time even If they Added HNMs cause HNMs where a turn off for me and most who just want to long on and play for fun on their own schedule, makes the game feel more of a chore and a RL job instead.

Game's are made for entertainment purpose, Its made to be fun not to be a Chore.
If you can't get this through ur head, then your not a gamer, your just someone who wants to waste their time on something and you have all the time in the world to waste to show off your epic gear to people who cannot but wish they can devote as much as time as you did.

Again: No thanks

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Originally Posted by Natenn

The real reason? What on earth are you babbling about? I said i want competition back in the game, no idea what you could be talking about.

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Go PVP and fight with players in Belista. Thats competition right there.
Majority of the game was designed for players to work together to achieve things together.
But Belista or brenner was designed for pvp purpose.

HNMs where not made for players to compete against each other.
SE stated that their intention was to make it where the HNM pops ever so on so when players explore into new areas and such, they can see powerful new NMs to take on with their LS mates and team when passing by.

But instead, everyone tryed to camp them and even go far to bott them and make it a heavy "Botting sport".

I dont care if you bot or don't bot your claims, But what I do care for is the fact that Players "Having to play the game on the Game's schedule and Not on their own's schedule". This is where Majority of the players who are limited in time for RL not being able to have access to overtake challenges they might want to take for items they want that can cause problems with.

Go play WoW or some other game that is heavily build for PVPing. FFXI was not made for PVP Claim Wars, The community made it that way based on Elitism. (PVP Belista and Brenner where made for fun Competitions not Elitism.)

This is why majority dislike this idea and don't want the old HNM system back.
Good luck trying to get people other wise.

A system Preventing majority of players from fighting NMs or doing enjoyable contents isn't challenging, it is frustrating and annoying. The Challenge is trying to beat the NM with your team successfully since it is a PVE based game, even tho there are some PVP elements like Belista or Brenner.

we have been over this natenn, you dont want competition, just say it and i will leave forever

say "i want to bottleneck other players"

I'm not gonna say something that isn't true, i didn't like competition but im not gonna let them stop me from camping thats the whole point.

And Arlan if you are not gonna camp if/when they come then why are you gonna make 3 long posts in a row complaining about now? Being mad over a game when you preach the "RL' card is pretty much hypocrisy at its best.

This is getting ridiculous. You all said your piece now leave it be. This is Natenns thread and he has every right to post his opinion. You don't have to like it but stop spamming. You don't want world spawns, you've said it time and time again without any intelligent debate or argument. If you're going to contribute to discussion, fine but otherwise, Natenn you should be reporting people.

Everyone has their own opinion and I don't even totally agree with Natenn, but this is Natenns thread to the devs. The same people spamming I DONT WANT THIS/I DO WANT THIS is not going to have any effect. You can say the same thing x100 times but you speak for you and making sure your point is on every page isn't really doing anything.


If you want to have a civilised, intelligent conversation or debate with someone thats fine. I basically said the same thing as Natenn but I don't agree with certain things that he agrees with regarding gear. Throwing insults at eachother is not going to change the direction or minds of the devs and i'm pretty sure if they have any plans of adding/not adding world spawns at any point, it's probably already been considered and decided.

You guys speak for yourself, not the player base. It's always been a larger portion of players who don't enjoy HNM vs those who do. This is not news.The point is, there is a base for this type of content and whether you want to accept it or not, it is not as simple as people having no lives or wanting to block other players. Is natenn someone who does enjoy blocking someone? Maybe but Natenn is a single individual. There are plenty of people who enjoy camping and are simply asking for new rare mobs to compensate for the cap increase.

Personally, I think it has already been decided if they will add more content of such. I don't think it is going to make any difference threads like these that are for/against it.

Heres why, it's not telling SE anything they didn't already know. People had complained about hnms forever, but at the same time a large enough portion enjoyed that type of content for whatever reason, enough to warrant it being supported/added. They gave an interview once and spoke on it and acknowledge people actually enjoy it and thats their priority.

A lot of people do want this type of content, but a lot more don't want it. I don't think people not wanting something warrants it not being implemented. If there is enough want for such content, SE should accommodate. Especially if something whether it be mobs or fixes or adjustment, isn't something that will cripple or cause a lot issues amongst players.

This is where the gray area comes in, because if you make a mob too valuable, its inevitable people will fight/bot over it. There are ways to avoid this WITHOUT doing away with the concept of long/lottery world spawns, and that is the way SE should go to please a wider variety of people.

The concept shouldn't be done away with, but more so adjusted in the ways it was back when WOTG NM came out.

no, you see we tried to have an intelligent conversation, natenn wont have any of it, so its boiled down to this


sorry, but natenn, you already said you want to have hnm's with gear you cannot get other places, and since you are a god at claiming with your ps2, that means, duh duh duh, you want to bottleneck players


i just want natenn to stop hiding behind his ps2 excuse, and w/e else excuse he has, or whatever other reason today brings, he wants to have gear that others dont have, which is fine, as long as it is obtainable by all, having world spawn hnm's means its not, it means if your not in a botting ls, you are not going to get it, natenn seems to equate gear with skill, see he sees himself as better than others because of a piece of gear he has and wants to make sure no one else can or will get it

i just want him to be a man about it and admit this and i will go away forever, but since i dont see that happening

/setsupcampwithlemonadeandbrats

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Originally Posted by Natenn

I said i want competition back in the game,

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Originally Posted by Natenn

i didn't like competition

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how counterproductive of you.

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Originally Posted by Anewie

This is getting ridiculous. You all said your piece now leave it be. This is Natenns thread and he has every right to post his opinion. You don't have to like it but stop spamming. You don't want world spawns, you've said it time and time again without any intelligent debate or argument. If you're going to contribute to discussion, fine but otherwise, Natenn you should be reporting people.

Everyone has their own opinion and I don't even totally agree with Natenn, but this is Natenns thread to the devs. The same people spamming I DONT WANT THIS/I DO WANT THIS is not going to have any effect. You can say the same thing x100 times but you speak for you and making sure your point is on every page isn't really doing anything.

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I'm sorry but you are wrong.
This thread doesn't belong to the OP.
Because this thread was aimed to the dev by the OP,
Everyone has the right to come in here to agree/disagree and throw in their opinions as much as the OP does.

If you think we are spamming the negative, then guess what, You and the OP are also spamming as well, explaining the same thing over again which majority keep saying they don't want.

Old HNM system needs to die.
If they Revive it, they need a low man BCNM Option that allows any players to be able to get the chance, every 24 hours to obtain KI to enter so players can enjoy the content and challenges who cannot build their RL time around the Game's schedule.

also, the "RL Card" is what SE needs to be looking at, since majority of players who do have lives and can't play the game based on the game's schedule, Pay to play to miss contents and gear they wish to obtain but cannot.

We get our Money to pay monthly in RL.
We go to "WORK" and our RL "Work schedule" is more important than "Game schedule". People log into games to be entertained and to have fun and enjoy it. People don't log into game to do chores and get frustrated and annoyed.

Did i leave out beating competition is fun when they flip out every day so i can lol at them acting dumb? i must of.

Idc if they add it to a BC bc i know ppl will still be camping the HNM, and the BC will be even harder or abysmal drop rate since you can spam it, so again: why do you care? We all care about gear you go your way to obtain it and ill go my way to get it. Is it so bad to want to be competitive?

Also, I think Sureal is a very intellegent person, not only does he not agree with Old HNM system, he actually explains why and he can see as I see what the OP's true intentions are, even if the OP himself doesn't realize it.

Sureal, You can't have an intellegent discussion with these kinds of players, Sorry.
I mean the OP critizied my Sig. He thinks my Sig has something to do with "Different play style" when it has nothing to do with it.

Gamers want to game their game of choice and their game of style.
But waiting 24/74 hours to get another chance at the NM everyone wants is not a "Different style", it is the same as Abyssea NMs that respawn every 10-15 min. You still have to claim the NMs since they are on a timer, the only difference between HNMs that Respawns every 24-74hours and the NMs in abyssea that Respawns every 10-15min is the time it takes for then to Repop. After all, that is why you want an HNM right? To be able to claim things off others?
They already have that choice but you get a quicker respawn timer now, so go enjoy the content there.

What more do you want?

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Originally Posted by Natenn

Idc if they add it to a BC bc i know ppl will still be camping the HNM, and the BC will be even harder or abysmal drop rate since you can spam it, so again: why do you care? We all care about gear you go your way to obtain it and ill go my way to get it. Is it so bad to want to be competitive?

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The Drop rate should be equal to the HNM not lower than the HNM.
And you can only spam it once every 24hours while you have the option to do BC and Camp HNM.
So there you go. You still get the bigger advantage while others who don't have time to camp, don't.
But over all, we still get a chance at it and thats what matters.

wait, natenn, now you dont care if the drops are added to bcnm's, cause i remember you staunchly against that before


oh, i see, because im calling you out on your true intentions you have to change your game up, understood, touche salesman, i too have an uncle

I have notice that about Natenn as well..
It does get anoyying sometimes.

oh i know, i stoped with the intelligent part in the last thread he made, he made it abundantly clear that there was no chance of debate on a normal persons level

That is truly sad.
I don't like wasting time playing game,
I like to enjoy my time playing the game

That is why I got on the thread and put my opinion, as a player, out there.
But when a player starts to change what he/she says to try to debate and ultimately try to win it, is where the problem lyes.

I say OLD HNM system needs to die.
Then I said well if they do make the old HNM system again, they need to make a BC for it that you can spam once every 24hours with equal drop rates for everyone who cannot put RL time camping the HNM to have access to still being able to get the items they want through an enjoyable content.
But that doesnt mean I support HNM system, that is only if SE does make them which I'm hoping not.

Hey trying to compromise.

short version: I want HNM pvp, you don't want that. This debate could go on for ages.

pressure getting to you, people really understand what you are all about, and now you realize that so you have to change your stance

how sad, how sad indeed


so you gonna man up yet, or change your opinion on something else now

As for Arlans sig, ok ill agree with 1-5 but 6 no. If 6 were true then everyone would have what they wanted and whats to keep you playing after you obtain all? Nothing.

pressure from what? Im trying to figure out to explain this so that you can comprehend the need for a real endgame, cause everything you preach up is not difficult at all.

and neither is anything you preach up

Well then, what do you suggest? Don't see an ideas comming from anyone else.