[dev1000] So we are definitely trying to kill Dynamis, I see....

QQ before you know how the system works, good idea! So far it appears ANYONE can proc if they have ja/ws/magic, not needing to stand around waiting on a specific person to do a specific spell. Dynamis is a hell of a lot more fun than it ever was and it now also has some stuff that is a slight challenge to a group of 6-8 instead of being stupidly boring and dying in.
seconds.

Currency drops are in line with what you would have got on an average run before, so QQing about currency is a bit stupid too. Especially considering SE said they were not wanting to raise the amount of currency coming out.

in all reality since abyssea people do not co-operate like they used to its a given fact that FFXI has changed dramatically since its initial release years ago. This gives chances for us old timers to finish off some relic sets for storage /CHEER!!!
and get some currency to sell off or do a full relic weapon if you want now but really i cant see myself doing an Excalibur but an aegis well that still has some value at least :)

I only can add that totally dislike new dynamis system. I want the old currency drop rate back ; ; (ever if that means only can enter 1 time each 3 days)

Never felt good about the Dyna Reborn; SE really let a lot of people down.

And gave a lot of people a really fun, challenging event that isn't boring as nails. To each his own.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

But to counter that, you can go in daily for free. So this potential zero will even out to a plus.

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So do triple the amount of work, for the same amount of money.

Go from working Part-Time to Full-Time, and don't get a raise...

Makes sense to me!

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

Ok, so let me get this strait, an forum filled with endgame junkies that has posted incorrect information in the past repeatedly.

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Oh I see you're talking about these forums. It's not really nice to insult SE, especially with that redneck grammar.

For a trio run go with Whm Blm(or brd) DD/War.

On pulls, sleep everything, kill Pld/War/Sam/Drg/Drk mobs first, while whm/brd spams debuffs on mage mobs to try and proc and you spam voke on the Rng/Nin/Thf/Bst/Mnk mobs to try and proc. Make sure as soon as a mob is proc'd person who did it says in pt chat, so you know that one is clear to kill.

You should get a half decent amount of WS procs on the first set of mobs just by killing them normally, the ja mobs you should 100% proc and the magic ones should proc a large amount. Focus on killing Mnk/Thf/Rng/Bst/Nin timed spawn nm's too since they can drop 100s and you can proc 100%. (Although not convinced 100s are helped by red yet)

There are no "Proc Jobs", just jobs that can do a ja/do a ws/do magic for example a nin/dnc or dnc/nin can proc on every single mob. If anything, by making it so anything can proc at a % chance, they are actually helping the low man groups.

any feedback yet, if they will change what they did about dynamis?
Cause new dynamis sucks >< (sorry about expresion)

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Originally Posted by Jarel

any feedback yet, if they will change what they did about dynamis?
Cause new dynamis sucks >< (sorry about expresion)

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New Dynamis is fine. Especially now that the proc system is fleshed out. I won't bother posting a link to information as the fevered nerd-rage that is invoked every time someone mentions the word BG is not worth the trouble. But go to BG, Or FFXIAH, Theres a lot of good Info there now on the Proc system.

That being said, The other day i Did Dynamis-Sandy, Got all TE's, and Farmed near the AH, Ended up with nearly ~230 Coins, Including 1 100 Piece from the NM. I can average higher or lower than that Depending on how often i get a 100. Thats pretty good pay out, It just takes knowledge behind the system, and admittedly a little luck too when it comes to procs (some of them can be jerks to proc).

If you proc a mob, With all 5 TE's killed, The drop rate on Currency is like old Dynamis, 1~4 Coins a mob. I think the least I've gotten in Sandy was ~140 coins, got unlucky with 100's and wasted some time killing Zone boss for Lulz. This was with 5 people.

So, I Think now that everything is worked out, Considering Dynamis is free now, no longer needing to blow 500k every 3 days, and Averaging about the same number of coins (depending on luck) is nice.

That, and you can still do CoP Dynamis every 3 days on top of "New Dynamis". So if you're hardcore about it you'll likely make much more currency than before, even with just a small group of ~5.

BTW, on procing, a NIN/DNC can proc every type of mob. Elemental Wheel for Mages, WS for Heavy DD, Steps/Flourish/etc for Light DD. So you don't need a huge group to do procs either.

Since procing in Dynamis is a "%" chance to proc with the right action, not selecting a specific spell/etc to proc. I.E If you spam Dia on a mage, it will eventually proc, spam Box Step on a THF, it'll eventually proc, Etc.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

New Dynamis is fine. Especially now that the proc system is fleshed out. I won't bother posting a link to information as the fevered nerd-rage that is invoked every time someone mentions the word BG is not worth the trouble. But go to BG, Or FFXIAH, Theres a lot of good Info there now on the Proc system.

That being said, The other day i Did Dynamis-Sandy, Got all TE's, and Farmed near the AH, Ended up with nearly ~230 Coins, Including 1 100 Piece from the NM. I can average higher or lower than that Depending on how often i get a 100. Thats pretty good pay out, It just takes knowledge behind the system, and admittedly a little luck too when it comes to procs (some of them can be jerks to proc).

If you proc a mob, With all 5 TE's killed, The drop rate on Currency is like old Dynamis, 1~4 Coins a mob. I think the least I've gotten in Sandy was ~140 coins, got unlucky with 100's and wasted some time killing Zone boss for Lulz. This was with 5 people.

So, I Think now that everything is worked out, Considering Dynamis is free now, no longer needing to blow 500k every 3 days, and Averaging about the same number of coins (depending on luck) is nice.

That, and you can still do CoP Dynamis every 3 days on top of "New Dynamis". So if you're hardcore about it you'll likely make much more currency than before, even with just a small group of ~5.

BTW, on procing, a NIN/DNC can proc every type of mob. Elemental Wheel for Mages, WS for Heavy DD, Steps/Flourish/etc for Light DD. So you don't need a huge group to do procs either.

Since procing in Dynamis is a "%" chance to proc with the right action, not selecting a specific spell/etc to proc. I.E If you spam Dia on a mage, it will eventually proc, spam Box Step on a THF, it'll eventually proc, Etc.

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Sorry but Im not agree.
As someome told some post above, good thing about game is have diferent events with diferent rules. If you start to add stagger to all events, thats made all things the same. And what happend if you dont have the correct jobs for stagger? (and dont tell me level a job for it, cause level is easy now)
Im not the only person I knows think like this.
If they keep doing changes like this one, Im going to quit the game. For me new dynamis is not fun at all ; ;

You don't level a job to get staggers in Dynamis. Any job that can use any JA on a mob can trigger JA stagger. Any job that can weaponskill can WS stagger. Any job that can cast magic on a mob can magic stagger.

I don't know how many times that's been said already.

Fact is some people dislike new dynamis system (like me), and have to respect that.
I really dislike staggers insde dynamis ><

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Sorry but Im not agree.
As someome told some post above, good thing about game is have diferent events with diferent rules. If you start to add stagger to all events, thats made all things the same. And what happend if you dont have the correct jobs for stagger? (and dont tell me level a job for it, cause level is easy now)
Im not the only person I knows think like this.
If they keep doing changes like this one, Im going to quit the game. For me new dynamis is not fun at all ; ;

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The good thing is, Any job can Stagger. Its not a specific Spell/Ability/WS, Its just ANY Spell/Abil/WS Depending on mob job.

I.E, If you fight a Warrior, You need to WS proc it. Any weaponskill at all can proc, Its just a low Chance.

Or if you fight a THF, you need JA to proc, Any Enemy-target Job Ability can proc, Jump, Steal, Enmity douse, Assault, Smiting Breath, Deploy, etc.

Mages, Magic, Any spell.

I know its frustrating, But SE said they were lowering Currency Drop rate from mobs, So we expected to be screwed, But with the proc system, Currency drop rate seems unchanged (Even got 4x Ordelles off a Orc a few times), So in a way its nice to have.

I Know procing Sucks, But at the very least they were very lenient with what procs (now seeming to be a %, Not a Specific Ability), you can proc most mobs just through the course of the natural fight

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Fact is some people dislike new dynamis system (like me), and have to respect that.
I really dislike staggers insde dynamis ><

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You're allowed to dislike it, absolutely, But i think You'd like it if you got the hang of it. You can average a lot more Currency if you go with 18 than you could in old Dynamis. If you split up your groups into 3 groups of 6, Farm Separately, Coins will rain, I bet you could average ~300+ a Run with that many people. With ~6 I average ~130/140 Without 100's, 3 groups of 6 split up in the same alliance would almost definitely average 300 a run or more depending on 100s.

Ideally you could also just split up into a THF/DNC, DD/??? and WHM/??? group, Farm Currency that way and still have access to every proc, So only need ~9 People, Split up into groups of 3 intead of 6.

Doing that Every day, So in 3 days you could have 900 Coins, On top of that you could do CoP Dynamis for even more coins. Which is a massive improvement over old dynamis coin rates. People are just too pessimistic

They don't like how it requires a group to still actively get good currency in Dynamis, people expected to go in and solo Dynamis for 300+ Currency a run, which at best was unrealistic. (Not you specifically)

Either way, Some may hate it, but I know this has sped up my Mandau significantly now that i know how the proc system works

IMO from what i have seen there is alot less currency in circulation on Cerberus now than before this update, prices of currency has went up.

only real reasn for me to do dynamis now is just to help people in my LS to finish off their lvl90 relics, this is a huge step back on SE's part. also slowed down the progress of creating relic alot.

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You're allowed to dislike it, absolutely, But i think You'd like it if you got the hang of it. You can average a lot more Currency if you go with 18 than you could in old Dynamis. If you split up your groups into 3 groups of 6, Farm Separately, Coins will rain, I bet you could average ~300+ a Run with that many people. With ~6 I average ~130/140 Without 100's, 3 groups of 6 split up in the same alliance would almost definitely average 300 a run or more depending on 100s.

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before the update i could average 400+ currency with 7-12 people now with 7 we only got ~30-50

now thats a huge difference

Currency is going on up on valefor as well. I've gone from paying 6k for bynes to 10k. 12-13k for shells to 16k. Sucks.

Its the same reason gas spikes, and the same reason it takes forever the prices to go back down.

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Its the same reason gas spikes, and the same reason it takes forever the prices to go back down.

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The prices are not coming back down. Heck, I saw prices go up when MORE currency was put into the system (Campaign unions) -- they never came back down from that.

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before the update i could average 400+ currency with 7-12 people now with 7 we only got ~30-50

now thats a huge difference

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Sounds like just terrible luck.

Cause i had a rag-tag team consisting of a THF/NIN, a NIN/DNC, a BLM, a RDM Mule, and a WHM, and we got ~130 Coins in a single Dynamis sandy run, no 100's included.

Also, do remember, the whole "Average 400+" a run, that you could only do Dynamis once every 3 days back when. Now its once a day, and also you can do CoP Dynamis still too on a separate timer than Old Dynamis.

So your ~30/50 would be like 90~150/3days. Which i think you're either low-end estimating it, or you don't bring a THF, or waste your time fighting T~VT mobs for Pop items. Or kill really slowly. There simply has to be some reason your coin count is absolutely atrocious.

Now, I did Jeuno the other day and got ~102 Coins with 7 people.

So i ask, Are you trying to proc? Did you farm all TE's before Farming Currency? Whats your strategy? Theres just got to be a reason for your bad luck.

If anything, I Suggest trying to find a camp with Mages and Light armor. WS mobs are annoying to proc.

Also what zone are you doing?

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On the Topic of Currency Prices. That has nothing to do with how hard/easy Currency is to get, Its about sellers thinking they can extort people because half of the population is still ignorant to how much of an improvement new Dynamis is, so people generally raise prices knowing some people might still buy them. Its really suppliers milking an ignorant playerbase and asking unreasonable prices because everyones in a giant panic thinking Dynamis is dead now.

So don't blame new Dynamis for Currency prices, Blame dumb Sellers basically trying to extort the ignorant :|

They, Like the gas price analogy, Simply sell Currency for what they think its worth, They sell it based on how much they think they can get away with selling it for. Its like when prices for Glass were halved, Dynamis Was cheaper, but prices went up still cause people expected demand to go up.

Its the same thing now.

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... Really though, If everyone still thinks new dynamis sucks so bad, I'm okay with that. It just means i have less people taking my camps while i reel in the coins :\. I'll try to spread the word but it won't hurt me if no one believes me =.=a

I am not ignorant :( But I will still pay the high price since no one sells it for cheaper.....

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I am not ignorant :( But I will still pay the high price since no one sells it for cheaper.....

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Well, I mean people selling them for 20k+. I mean absolutely retarded prices (10k for bynes, etc)

I still find plenty for ~14k Still (Ordelles) Which isn't bad.

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Well, I mean people selling them for 20k+. I mean absolutely retarded prices (10k for bynes, etc)

I still find plenty for ~14k Still (Ordelles) Which isn't bad.

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Yeah I do notice some people have ridiculous prices in baz. Sandy currency on valefor seems to be more resilient and is staying around 13-15k. Bynes jumped in everyone's baz though from 6k to 10k and shells went from 12-13k to 15-16k >:o Sadly bynes what I need most of. Though this 5 man dyna bringing in a bunch of bills is helping a bit.

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Yeah I do notice some people have ridiculous prices in baz. Sandy currency on valefor seems to be more resilient and is staying around 13-15k. Bynes jumped in everyone's baz though from 6k to 10k and shells went from 12-13k to 15-16k >:o Sadly bynes what I need most of. Though this 5 man dyna bringing in a bunch of bills is helping a bit.

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Just set a decent amount of coins tonight.

5 people (DRG/SAM with Rhong, NIN/DNC, a level 70DRK, a THF/NIN, and a WHM/SCH) got 178 Coins in Sandy tonight. no 100's.

Finished my Stage 2 :|, now off to 61 Tukuku's!

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Just set a decent amount of coins tonight.

5 people (DRG/SAM with Rhong, NIN/DNC, a level 70DRK, a THF/NIN, and a WHM/SCH) got 178 Coins in Sandy tonight. no 100's.

Finished my Stage 2 :|, now off to 61 Tukuku's!

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very nice! I am 13/61 shells myself >_<

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very nice! I am 13/61 shells myself >_<

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Tuku's will be the worst part for me, Once i get to Bynes I can buy them for a good ammount. Hopefully find someone to lend me 30 100 bynes for the final stretch.

I'll be spamming Dynamis Windy for a while, Luckily i have some friends who are willing to help. (well, I'm Farming Empyreans with them, they're doing dynamis with me). Its not too bad, but if i can average ~150 coins a run. I'll be done with Tukus in about ~40 days. If i don't buy any shells.

Long road, But it'll be worth it.

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Tuku's will be the worst part for me, Once i get to Bynes I can buy them for a good ammount. Hopefully find someone to lend me 30 100 bynes for the final stretch.

I'll be spamming Dynamis Windy for a while, Luckily i have some friends who are willing to help. (well, I'm Farming Empyreans with them, they're doing dynamis with me). Its not too bad, but if i can average ~150 coins a run. I'll be done with Tukus in about ~40 days. If i don't buy any shells.

Long road, But it'll be worth it.

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Felt i should add this.

Did Windurst today and walked away with a whooping 319 Coins, Including 1 jade Shell.

I love this game some days :X

Are you compensating the friends you go with at all? I tend to pay them about 70% the worth of the coins if we were splitting since there's really no vindication for taking all the currency without the 500k hourglass.

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Are you compensating the friends you go with at all? I tend to pay them about 70% the worth of the coins if we were splitting since there's really no vindication for taking all the currency without the 500k hourglass.

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We got this going on.

I do Empyreans for them, My "Empyrean" is the Relic. So i Work getting them Level 90 Empyrean Weapons, While we do dynamis.

Generally we do about ~3/4 hours of Abyssea, then do our 2 hour Dynamis run, about once a night.

They actually suggest i just keep the currency or it'd take forever.
Already have an 85 Almace, Caladbolg, and Rhongomiant completed ;x

Only people it really hurt was LS leaders making relics for them selfs. Now they have to do what Karbuncle is doing. Helping others and not just holding out the carrot of AF2 to get them to go.