For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

i used to play ps2 at first, til i saw 11 on pc. i was like "Holy Crap nuggets O.o i don't have to be 2 feet from something to see its name clearly!!!".

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Originally Posted by Unaisis

i used to play ps2 at first, til i saw 11 on pc. i was like "Holy Crap nuggets O.o i don't have to be 2 feet from something to see its name clearly!!!".

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I thought the same thing.. actually upgraded to PC in 2005 from the 100$ PS2 version... When my PS2 got to the point of not playing disks anymore i let it go...

Oh and i recently built a PC for 400$ that could probably play XIV(maybe need to spend another 60 bucks or so for an upgrade from the Radeon HD4200). Im prolly sure a 50$ yardsale/craigslist computer built post 2006 will do the job, and most likely better than the PS2 could ever dream of.

This is why people need to learn: Never make a multiplatform MMO on a platform with no capacity for upgrading.

I'm amazed if there's an original model PS2 left in the world somewhere that still reads discs.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is why people need to learn: Never make a multiplatform MMO on a platform with no capacity for upgrading.

I'm amazed if there's an original model PS2 left in the world somewhere that still reads discs.

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I've still my ps2 that was bought minutes after release, which works fine. Granted, we got a slim to replace is as soon as that was released, and it hasn't been used much since then, and it was never really played a whole lot before then, otherwise there'd be no chance of it still working.

The PS2 version is not a significant revenue source for SE in North America or Europe.

But Japan? Yes. SE does NOT want to drive off the revenue from Japanese PS2 FFXI Players.

For North America, there has not been ANY new Playstation machine made that could support FFXI since about the same time the PS2 Vana Collecftion 2008 was released concurent with the Wings of the Goddess expansion in November 2007. (The last PS3 that could support PS2 software was made earlier that year.) That is why no one sellls anything FFXI PS2 any more.

But SE still has MAJOR revenue from Japan on the Japanese PS2 version.

And it has most of the same limitations the NA version has.

I still play the NA PS2 version most of the time.. but I have access to all 3 of them. I can only have one of them at a time on the same account, but the account and character can be used on PC, Xbox, or PS2 at will.

Honestly, I've been done with PS and sony since I finished FFX-2. A year or so earlier I got the HDD and FFXI package for PS2 and didn't like the game and quit after 1 month of play.(Kinda like FFXIV, 'cept I understand MMO now) That being said, I have no idea really how the PS2 version is.

People, that was 2003!!!! Seriously, name one sophisticated electronic device that you would still use today if made in 2003-2005 (in-game and r/l) that doesnt come with a Dashboard! Name one article of clothing you would wear (in-game and r/l) that old? Name one video, cut-scene or movie today (in-game and r/l) that is less detailed than a 2003-2005 version!! Go ahead, I'll wait...

Goodbye PS2. Congrats something new.

Online games, especially socially complex online games, sell subscriptions better the more accessible (read; more compatible with hardware) they are.

Cases in point; any Blizzard/Valve game. Ever.

World of Warcraft's minimum system requirements are rather eerily similar to the PC port of FFXI. The difference is that the graphics for FFXI were originally made for older TVs. No one who's actually seen the PS2 version played such a way on a good old 4:3 ratio standard definition NTSC television will tell you it looks anything absolutely short of fantastic on it compared to the (default setup without lots of tweaking) PC port as it was made to do.

The largest limitation on the PS2 is memory and you know what? I'm thankful for that. It means I can install and run my 15 dollar a month addiction on anything I very %$!& well please. Be it an Xplosion-Box, a PS2 or a four year old laptop with the just-barely-high-enough on board Intel graphics chip with hardware T&L to sign in and keep playing.

I don't play 14, though I'd like to. I could upgrade my stuff to play it, but I don't want to, I have no innate desire to. I may be in the minority, but I'll probably play it when the PS3 version comes out. But then we'll be repeating this same thread in 10 years when some non-issue PS3 version restriction holds back some silly feature.

So I wonder, why on earth would Square want to suddenly start implementing features which would possibly alienate very loyal, steady paying players through force-depreciation from an exceptionally well aged game? Don't even try to tell me that it's because suddenly improved graphics will addict more players; Eve Online.

what are you going to do when that ps2 gives out? has to be hard to replace by now.
really would like to see dropping the PS2

It wont never happen SE drop Ps2/Xbox support, consoles accounts outnumber PC users.

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Originally Posted by Bahamut_Norm

Online games, especially socially complex online games, sell subscriptions better the more accessible (read; more compatible with hardware) they are.

Cases in point; any Blizzard/Valve game. Ever.

World of Warcraft's minimum system requirements are rather eerily similar to the PC port of FFXI. The difference is that the graphics for FFXI were originally made for older TVs. No one who's actually seen the PS2 version played such a way on a good old 4:3 ratio standard definition NTSC television will tell you it looks anything absolutely short of fantastic on it compared to the (default setup without lots of tweaking) PC port as it was made to do.

The largest limitation on the PS2 is memory and you know what? I'm thankful for that. It means I can install and run my 15 dollar a month addiction on anything I very %$!& well please. Be it an Xplosion-Box, a PS2 or a four year old laptop with the just-barely-high-enough on board Intel graphics chip with hardware T&L to sign in and keep playing.

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The PS2's main problem is RAM. Dropping PS2 support would let them implement lots of things that were earlier limited by the PS2's RAM. The PS2 has got 32 MB of RAM, any PC, even a 6 year old piece of crap is gonna have plenty of RAM.

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Originally Posted by Dreimar

It wont never happen SE drop Ps2/Xbox support, consoles accounts outnumber PC users.

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Source on that?

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Source on that?

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Experience Points.

Isnt the xbox 360 version just a hi res ps2 port thats why it chugs when it hits 2700R. they should of just ported the pc version on the xbox even thou it dosent support a mouse

i would like to see a downloadable packet for the ps3

If only there was a way of making everyone happy!

I love the fact that all the different platforms can all play together, this is the only MMO that I play but am I right in thinking its pretty unique because of that? It'd be a shame to loose the cross-platform-ness for anything less than a massive overhaul of the game.

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.

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Originally Posted by Rocman

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.

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Just use a pad with your PC? I started playing on Xbox and moved to PC w/gamepad and have felt no difference between the controller setup. Haven't looked back because of the superior PC graphics.

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Originally Posted by Rocman

Do you understand how hard it is for ps2 users to play ffxi on the pc? I have 2 chars, my main is on the ps2 only use the pc char to PL, or too hold items. It is very difficult to go from playing with a controller to using the keyboard. I am not an xbox fan at all so i would not buy an xbox just for ffxi. I do have a ps3 but taking the time to put all the files onto the ps3 takes days. As of right now i dont have any problems playing on the ps2 but i am very concerned that i will.

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I have been playing the PC versions since it's release back in 03, and i never used a mouse/keyboard (except for typing of course)

it is not that hard to get a controller for PC and set it up in the config, hell I recommend this controller, it is for the PS3 but it works on PC and has to be one of the best controllers I have ever owned.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5563483/power-a...er-for-the-ps3

and they sell them at GameStop for $40

Heck, you can just use the PS2 controller you've got now. They have $5 USB adapters that let you plug your PS2 controller into your PC. This stuff isn't hard guys.

I agree SqEnix needs to come up with a way to beable to allow for a reinstall based off whatever circumstance.. even create a basic install that will allow you to connect FFXI sight through your ps2 and be able to download (buy if you didnt have an expansion registered prior) right off of the server

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Heck, you can just use the PS2 controller you've got now. They have $5 USB adapters that let you plug your PS2 controller into your PC. This stuff isn't hard guys.

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Great idea but lets say someone doesn't own a computer (which is weird if they are on a forum discussing this) just going with the idea that basically if you bought it for PS2 you should beable to continue to play it on PS2 and having an easy way to reinstall it on a PS2

We're operating under the assumption that this is the 21st century.

Though to be fair, I'd agree there ought to be a better way to reinstall than "drop several hundred dollars on out of print install discs".

I've started playing FFXI on PS2 from US release Everything expires once in awhile for "Those" that are Complaining to SE for a product that they didn't make, (PlayStation2) which is Sony should Complain to: http://us.playstation.com/support/?s=ps2#ps2

Maybe if enough PS2 players, Complained to the right source you might get results. I'm pretty sure all SE can do for (PlayStation2) is in file form.

It's my opinion and I'm pretty sure a lot of other members as well, But "Sony" PlayStation 2 is holding FFXI back. It would be nice to live forever but its just not possible hope PS2 players don't get the boot but it does not look good at this stand point.

If SE and Sony merged I didn't get that memo... >.>;

Just popping in to say I'm a supporter of PS2.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

For 700 dollars you could probably get yourself a decent (or refurbished) gaming laptop. I know you said that's not an option but the only other thing I can think of is some sort of digital only version offered by SE for your PS2/PS3 hard drive.

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*cough* 700!$
It's much cheaper to buy a Xbox 360 and the complete FFXI collection.

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

You can get a laptop for 200$ that can run FFXI flawlessly. Head to Best Buy or, a computer store.

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she wants him to have an i-3/i-5...power!.;)

No, SE shouldn't drop PS2 support. All that would achieve is losing their entire PS2 player base.

No, the game isn't going to look any prettier (overnight or over time)
No, you aren't going to see an increase in FPS
No, DX9+ support won't happen
No, the UI won't change

Yes, your game will just be the same game it has been for the last 8 years, minus the PS2 users.

The most that anyone would get out of losing PS2 support is POSSIBLY a little bit more inventory space and the ability to autotranslate your key items and the new weaponskills.

Back on topic:

I've installed FFXI twice on my PS3 (using software backwards compatability) that includes all expansions up until WOTG. Never ran into a problem. I installed them using each individual installation disc, because I bought them as they came out.

Your disc is probably scratched or your PS2 laser is giving out. BOTH of my PS2 have faulty lasers now, even after adjusting the voltage and shiz. Good thing I use hdloader!

i use my ps2 occasionally.

not for ffxi though. not since like... 2006

@the user having trouble with the CoP install disk:

Is your PS2 modded? Then you could try ripping a copy of the original and booting it via modchip, or burn it with ESR patching and try bootin it via ESR app in avaialble in FreeMCBoot.

For that matter...wonder if the disk couldn't be copied over wtih WinHiip and then run from HDL as well... just a few rambling thoughts.

Raist

Unfortunately some people are not as well off as others, I know PS2 is holding FFXI back and if they were to Cut FFXI from Ps@ some might just quit anyway $200 could be a little too expensive to a player just to play one game.

This cannot happen. The disc for Wings of the goddess isnt even produced anymore by SE. I have 1 computer and me and wife are gamers, and it was becoming a real issue when we both wanted to play something. So i decided to rip out the PS2 and the ffxi i bought for it when it first came out, only to find out i had all expansions except for Wings of the Goddess. I spent a week tracking down this freeeeeeking game only to find out, its not produced anymore. I had to buy a copy from Amazon.com for 50 dollars. As big a hassle as it was, i did finally get wings installed on my PS2 and have all expansions for it. But if u notice, on the game ordering section of the playonline site, they offer the games for PC and GAYBOX 360, nothing for PS2 except for original game. They dont produce PS2 ffxi games anymore, if i were u, id ebay, or Amazon that crap before its too late, or ur stuck having to buy a gaybox 360.

As an extra note, for some reason when i was looking for copies of Wings of the Goddess for the PS2 on amazon, the other expansions were like, 9 bucks, and wings of the goddess was 50 dollars, kinda irked me i got stuck with the one that had to be 50 dollars. But warning to those who wish to seek this game for PS2. Your prolly looking ata total cost of about 300 dollars probably, since the HD and game will prolly be the most expensive piece u get aside from the 89-99 dollar PS2

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Originally Posted by Mordanthos

GAYBOX 360

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Oh you're clever.

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Originally Posted by Miera

Unfortunately some people are not as well off as others, I know PS2 is holding FFXI back and if they were to Cut FFXI from Ps@ some might just quit anyway $200 could be a little too expensive to a player just to play one game.

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Most people already have a computer that can play ffxi just fine.

Almost everyone that doesn't could get it to run ffxi just fine with the addition of a $10 video card.

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Oh you're clever.

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U dun have to be jealous of my awesomeness

I stopped bothering with system favoritism a long time ago, I just said screw it and bought all of them -.-

but yeah SE might still "support PS2" but I can tell you it is hard as hell to find the discs, that is why my backup is now Xbox360

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Originally Posted by Yarly

No, SE shouldn't drop PS2 support. All that would achieve is losing their entire PS2 player base.

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I'm not speaking for the "Entire" PS2 player base, but maybe some.. I think a lot already had come to terms and understanding that its time to retire PS2 let FFXI grow! We're getting add-ons whatever happened to those Expansion packs.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

No, the game isn't going to look any prettier (overnight or over time)
No, you aren't going to see an increase in FPS
No, DX9+ support won't happen
No, the UI won't change
Yes, your game will just be the same game it has been for the last 8 years, minus the PS2 users.

The most that anyone would get out of losing PS2 support is POSSIBLY a little bit more inventory space and the ability to autotranslate your key items and the new weaponskills.

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I except your assumption, but I don't agree.
Reason why I disagree, Your not making any facts as to why FFXI wouldn't improve.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Back on topic:

I've installed FFXI twice on my PS3 (using software backwards compatability) that includes all expansions up until WOTG. Never ran into a problem. I installed them using each individual installation disc, because I bought them as they came out.

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I see you upgraded to PS3 > "Come to terms and Understanding" Good Job! ^^b

a little off topic, but moving from ps3 to a laptop with windows 7, does anyone know of any place to get working drivers for the ps3 controller? ive been fighting for a few weeks to find ones that work with windows 7.
im stuck on ps3 until i can get the controller working <,<

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Originally Posted by Retiti

a little off topic, but moving from ps3 to a laptop with windows 7, does anyone know of any place to get working drivers for the ps3 controller? ive been fighting for a few weeks to find ones that work with windows 7.
im stuck on ps3 until i can get the controller working <,<

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Grab yourself a $10 Logitech game pad controller. Easy to config and works fine on Win7. :)

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Originally Posted by Izzybella

Grab yourself a $10 Logitech game pad controller. Easy to config and works fine on Win7. :)

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well i would, but since there are exactly 0 stores within an hours drive of me that sell them, that idea is out the window lol.
living in hickville canada kind of sucks.

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Originally Posted by Retiti

well i would, but since there are exactly 0 stores within an hours drive of me that sell them, that idea is out the window lol.
living in hickville canada kind of sucks.

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I guess your only option is to find one online and have them ship it to you. ><