Feedback related to Vana'Bout

I have to say, some of these objectives have been... questionable. Heroes' Conquest and now Mercenary Camp, those are a lot to ask players to pull off with less than 24 hours to plan and organize.

Worse, though, is that the feedback asking for some kind of catch-up mechanic seems to have been heard, but misinterpreted or twisted into something that works in almost the opposite way. If failing to complete the objectives on day 1 means not seeing new objectives on day 2, that's just missing out on a day with extra steps.

What I, personally, think would make for an overall more enjoyable experience would be take this round's 150 plaudits per day, call that the target number, and offer enough additional objectives to earn 225 plaudits per day next time - with a weekly cap of 1050 plaudits earned from daily objectives.

This will give players a little more room to skip seemingly impossible tasks without being left behind, and it will give those players with little time to log in during the week the option to, say, do a quick Ambuscade run for a few plaudits each day, then do everything on the menu Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Being given a to-do list with the implication that everything needs to be done every day just makes it feel like work. I'm finding this Vana'bout stressful because having that title on the line means I can't afford to miss even a single plaudit, no matter how impossible a task I'm set. It's a neat idea but it's just too much. Having something like a title or a silver voucher reward for reaching the weekly plaudit cap and completing more objectives would help encourage player to try their best and excel with a bit less pressure.

My personal latest complaint is the Lost Chocobos, made me realize that timer on mount time would be great if it doesn't exist or at least prolonged. The other day was just getting request to deliver from Windurst to Sandoria, totally forgotten about mount timer which I rarely deal with since WotG days, only to had it ran out on me right after entering South Ronfaure, while the other LS mate were so lucky only need to deliver his from Bastok to Jeuno, which is only half amount of distance with mine. And worse, while unconfirmed due to lack of infos on various wiki, one of discord sources says it's only weekly reset.

Thankfully I can finally repeat this right on weekly Sunday reset, & jumping on towns to find Jeuno destination & finally got mine to deliver from Sandy instead.

That said, if not for various wiki guides on proper map & their ledges markings here & there, this would be tremendously time waster. This might be fine 2 decades ago where the game still in its infancy, but having to waste time on current situations with these pointless blockages. Not to mention that when one starting this, needs to fully concentrate the paths needing to thread & can't even had time to take emergency break, whether toilet or real-life stuff, which so happens to be my situation on my 1st failed attempt having both happening same time.

In short, please get rid of mount timer, or... if still technical limitation, at least prolong mount timer.

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I have to say, some of these objectives have been... questionable. Heroes' Conquest and now Mercenary Camp, those are a lot to ask players to pull off with less than 24 hours to plan and organize.

Worse, though, is that the feedback asking for some kind of catch-up mechanic seems to have been heard, but misinterpreted or twisted into something that works in almost the opposite way. If failing to complete the objectives on day 1 means not seeing new objectives on day 2, that's just missing out on a day with extra steps.

What I, personally, think would make for an overall more enjoyable experience would be take this round's 150 plaudits per day, call that the target number, and offer enough additional objectives to earn 225 plaudits per day next time - with a weekly cap of 1050 plaudits earned from daily objectives.

This will give players a little more room to skip seemingly impossible tasks without being left behind, and it will give those players with little time to log in during the week the option to, say, do a quick Ambuscade run for a few plaudits each day, then do everything on the menu Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Being given a to-do list with the implication that everything needs to be done every day just makes it feel like work. I'm finding this Vana'bout stressful because having that title on the line means I can't afford to miss even a single plaudit, no matter how impossible a task I'm set. It's a neat idea but it's just too much. Having something like a title or a silver voucher reward for reaching the weekly plaudit cap and completing more objectives would help encourage player to try their best and excel with a bit less pressure.

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From my experience on other mmo, FF14 in this regard, I found that camping on NM zone entrance & waiting for passerby parties to ask to join theirs still very useful on my end, in which how I got mine done rather than staying in town shouting for hours & not to mention not everyone having same objectives or even care to do it, which is how I discover these situations.

Regardless, can just hope some of your points could be considered by devs.

Also, for my personal addition notes: Might be best to make the NM objectives to be soloable entries rather than minimum of 3 player parties, since it is already very easy to solo even without trusts with current gearing, at least for the non level capped limit.

I have to say, the Emptiness objective does not feel good. Win in one of four level-capped battlefields; okay, that's fair. You have 24 hours to make it happen; little bit of pressure there. You can only attempt each battlefield once every seven days, that is not good news. Repeat this objective every four days; yeah, no, that's just unfair and unnecessary.

Emptiness could be a fair and reasonable weekly objective, but it's asking too much on a four-day rotation.

Heroes' Combat and Mercenary Camp, those were a vicious challenge but they at least had the benefit of letting players try to form strategies and find out what works and what doesn't. I don't like that they're daily objectives but they're not strictly unfair, but Emptiness... it crosses that line. The mechanic where incomplete objectives can carry over to the next day makes it doubly punishing: if you find yourself unable to even attempt it, then not only can you not clear that objective, but you can miss whatever objective would be there the next day, effectively automatically failing that too. That turned out to be less of a catch-up effect and more like a fall-behind one.

If level-capped fights are going to be included in the Vana'bout Round 3 lineup, it might be nice to see them added as a set of weekly objectives, rather than rotating daily ones. Let players take some time to figure out how to handle them, space them out so there's no conflict with content time gates, and again, so importantly, have something that people who can't play for several hours every day can tackle on their weekend.

TBH that 7 day limitation should be abolished, no one cares about these battlefields anymore, it's not going to like disrupt the economy or anything if players are allowed to do them more often.

I just want to say how much I have enjoyed this round of Vanabout. I agree with the questions raised about weekly resets, but despite a few issues, I have thoroughly enjoyed checking out the menu each day and doing the quests. It has been very nostalgic, and I discovered fan fest quests I didn’t know existed. Thanks SE!

Well, from what I find from Vana'bout Round 2, I do wonder if it's worth doing. We still only get one prize from each tier, not the whole lot & the only thing that interests me is the 100 deeds & the Kupon i-aby for if I need any empy gear base +1/+2 upgrading to lvl 109. 15k exempler points is fine for low level master levels but nowhere near for master level 15 onwards. Also, no sign of gallimaufry to go towards our prime weapons. Several little ROEs to do in a short space of time I don't like. None of the gold tier prizes peaks my interests. I'll stop after I got my 100 deeds, I think. If I need sparks then I might but then again, there is gain experience ROE for that when it pops up.

This is definitely better than the first iteration (and by a wide margin) but the pressure to complete everything is high, despite an attempt to add flexibility to the system (which actually fails to do so as players have found).

This one was actually not terrible in terms of making you do everything, really. Sets of objectives on the 16th through 29th, that's 14 days, 150 plaudits a day and 460 for static objectives gives you a potential 2560 out of 1300 required; you could plausibly hit 680 just by doing the significantly toned-down Ambuscade dailies and collecting a good month's worth of gallantry. If you're just trying to hit the reward tiers, it's a pretty chill event, which is a huge improvement.

But that title for the top 10, that put breaking pressure on. That's where now you feel like you absolutely have to do it all, which isn't cool.

Placing a title at, say, 2200 plaudits would have felt good. A little bit of a margin to miss targets, instead of failing one and being out of the game, but it would still be a target for high performers only.

I'm not going to lie though; I actually unsubscribed in December, largely over Vana'bout round 1 (and a little bit of Peach Power, I'm still bitter about that.) This time, I stopped in to give Vana'bout round 2 a try during the free period, and actually enjoyed myself enough to re-subscribe. For all I focus on what wasn't great about this attempt, it was really a huge step in the right direction. Round 3 could still be better, but it won't have to be making up for round 2.

The reward pool could use a little re-balancing next time though. A mulcibar's scoria is, like, two to three hours of dedicated work, an umbral marrow is fifteen to thirty minutes depending on drops, and then two stacks of alexandrite is, what, ten minutes on a sensible Ambuscade month? It's a little like putting coffers of swart and murky detritus both on the same tier of Bonanza - these items are not remotely equivalent, picking between them isn't a choice.

given the relative shortness of the event id really like to see it happen more frequently. This would also facilitate more gradual tweaking and refining. I definitely think the event is closer to achieving its goals this time around and I do want to see more of it.

Make it every 3-6 months.

Yeah, 3 - 6 months sounds about right. The Cornelia stretch goal makes 6 months sound like kind of the intended "optimal" timing, but it would be neat to see trusts on 6 month cycles and something else in between. Like... I dunno, "Cornelia for 2/4/6 months", "Abyssea trophies added to next 1/2/3 login campaigns", "Matsui-P for 2/4/6 months", and... man I can't even think of a good fourth one.

Six months does potentially put them at May (anniversary) and November (11th month) though, which is pretty big symbolically for FFXI.

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Yeah, 3 - 6 months sounds about right. The Cornelia stretch goal makes 6 months sound like kind of the intended "optimal" timing, but it would be neat to see trusts on 6 month cycles and something else in between. Like... I dunno, "Cornelia for 2/4/6 months", "Abyssea trophies added to next 1/2/3 login campaigns", "Matsui-P for 2/4/6 months", and... man I can't even think of a good fourth one.

Six months does potentially put them at May (anniversary) and November (11th month) though, which is pretty big symbolically for FFXI.

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Indeed, I'd be fine with that for the anniversary and November events. Since we usually get return to the game campaigns around these months too.

I posted my opinion about how unfair this round of Vana'Bout has been for those seeking the title here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/t...-Seeking-Title

To recap, basically you need a perfect score to be in the "top ten rank", so missing even one daily objective completely disqualifies you. I point out in the linked thread more details, but this was incredibly unfair to those who were impacted by the bug, and was also disproportionally unfair to American players, giving Japanese and European players a huge advantage. I saw this feedback thread as hope that SE cared about their English-speaking playerbase, but it seems that was naive.

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Now that Vana'Bout is over, the results for the title ranking are even more unfair than I previously considered. Speaking for Bahamut, there are exactly 10 "rank 1" winners, and the second-highest score (highest 'non-perfect') is at rank 11. Here's the thing, though... several of the 10 winners are all the same person. So, one person on the server dragged his alternative accounts along with him while he did the objectives, and basically stole the title from other players who actually deserved it. Fewer than 10 players on Bahamut got the title! This is incredibly unfair to the hard working players who actually deserved it, and were denied an opportunity due to one jerk's alternate accounts getting carried through.

Again, SE should award this title to players who have achieved some high but reasonable threshold of plaudits, or at the very least, expand it to more than just 10 "players" (really fewer than 10 on Bahamut at least). Perhaps award it to the 10 highest scores, not counting ties?

I'm not just suggesting this as feedback for a 'round 3', I'm asking SE to fix this now for the players that worked hard during round 2. Please include a fix in your next update.

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I'm not just suggesting this as feedback for a 'round 3', I'm asking SE to fix this now for the players that worked hard during round 2. Please include a fix in your next update.

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The only realistic immediate fix is "give the title to everybody" or just "remove it and the competitive facet unless and until there's something you can actually compete in"

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The only realistic immediate fix is "give the title to everybody" or just "remove it and the competitive facet unless and until there's something you can actually compete in"

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Not necessarily true, the quick and dirty fix would be to change how the ranking works so instead of "1, 1, 1, 1, 5, 5, 5, 8, 9, 9, 11" it would be "1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5." It dilutes the title a little, but there is simply no good way to do "top 10" anyway - either there's an 11-way tie and more are handed out than expected, or ten random people out of a pool of however many at the top score get it, making it a game of... I don't know, "who has the lowest character ID number" or something, since it sorted consistently but not alphabetically.

But yeah, this one is... I really hope the titles for the top 10 thing goes back to the drawing board, it had good intentions but the implementation was a bit of a dumpster fire.

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Not necessarily true, the quick and dirty fix would be to change how the ranking works so instead of "1, 1, 1, 1, 5, 5, 5, 8, 9, 9, 11" it would be "1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5." It dilutes the title a little, but there is simply no good way to do "top 10" anyway - either there's an 11-way tie and more are handed out than expected, or ten random people out of a pool of however many at the top score get it, making it a game of... I don't know, "who has the lowest character ID number" or something, since it sorted consistently but not alphabetically.

But yeah, this one is... I really hope the titles for the top 10 thing goes back to the drawing board, it had good intentions but the implementation was a bit of a dumpster fire.

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As I wrote earlier in the thread, the main issue is just they wanted to throw in a little friendly competition.... but there is no way for it to actually be an interesting competition because its literally impossible to catch up on or overtake someone who's ahead of you. If there's no way to challenge someone's dominance, there is no competition.

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I posted my opinion about how unfair this round of Vana'Bout has been for those seeking the title here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/t...-Seeking-Title

To recap, basically you need a perfect score to be in the "top ten rank", so missing even one daily objective completely disqualifies you. I point out in the linked thread more details, but this was incredibly unfair to those who were impacted by the bug, and was also disproportionally unfair to American players, giving Japanese and European players a huge advantage. I saw this feedback thread as hope that SE cared about their English-speaking playerbase, but it seems that was naive.

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Now that Vana'Bout is over, the results for the title ranking are even more unfair than I previously considered. Speaking for Bahamut, there are exactly 10 "rank 1" winners, and the second-highest score (highest 'non-perfect') is at rank 11. Here's the thing, though... several of the 10 winners are all the same person. So, one person on the server dragged his alternative accounts along with him while he did the objectives, and basically stole the title from other players who actually deserved it. Fewer than 10 players on Bahamut got the title! This is incredibly unfair to the hard working players who actually deserved it, and were denied an opportunity due to one jerk's alternate accounts getting carried through.

Again, SE should award this title to players who have achieved some high but reasonable threshold of plaudits, or at the very least, expand it to more than just 10 "players" (really fewer than 10 on Bahamut at least). Perhaps award it to the 10 highest scores, not counting ties?

I'm not just suggesting this as feedback for a 'round 3', I'm asking SE to fix this now for the players that worked hard during round 2. Please include a fix in your next update.

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I hate to break it to you, but this is how you "win" in an MMO. You simply have to have more time than the next person. But I do agree with you, it could made more fair.

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I hate to break it to you, but this is how you "win" in an MMO. You simply have to have more time than the next person. But I do agree with you, it could made more fair.

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The problem is, as I said it isn't even a competition. This is not about putting in more hours than the next guy, all you have to do is get all the paludits for each day. If you miss even one plaudit, you lose- There's no way to get it once you miss it, no way to overtake someone else if they are ahead of you unless they don't do something the nexty day. So there is nothing to make it interesting.

Thank you for tweaking Vana'bout!

- In general the changes seem good, though the battlefields could be difficult or impossible for some to tackle (mostly requiring a party of three or more).

- The rewards could definitely use some more tweaking, as others have already mentioned.

- One thing that caught my attention in particular, was the placement of the Vana'Bout objective category [1]. Me and many others have gotten very used to opening the Quests menu, then pressing up once, and then confirm to enter the Objective List. I would recommend placing the Vana'Bout menu back somewhere under the Objective List menu. The current placement seems rather odd, especially since the menu is disabled a lot of the time.

- The ranking system seems something that should be looked into as well, as it does not seem to be very fair at this time.

- There seems to be some inconsistency on the spelling of Vana'bout. I suppose it's Vana'Bout in most places, but there are some where it is capitalised as Vana'diel is: Vana'bout (Coordinator Moogle dialogue for example).

- There were/are some misspelled objective titles (Heroes' Combaat, and I believe at least one other, but I can't find a note of it nor remember what it was), and at least one that had text overlapping other text in its description (Incursion (VDB)).

I think that's all I can think of for now.

Thank you!

1. Vana'Bout Category Placement Feedback

"The Great Odyssey Campaign" is by far the least impressive monthly campaign ever created, and a poor reward for Vana'Bout. The amount of bonus segments in particular is paltry when you compare it to other campaigns like Omen job cards where your return is doubled or tripled. 10% is just too low.

I was excited about the campaign since Segment farming is old and boring content. But 10% is not enough to bring me back into Odyssey. What a miss.

Okay would you rather they just don't have campaigns at all?

I'm not going to say it's an amazing campaign because it isn't, but you could sound a little less ungrateful lol....

Odyssey campaign: Good, we like to see this.

Odyssey campaign in its current form: A little underwhelming, apparently, not enough to incentivize players to do Odyssey if they weren't already.

Conclusion: Keep "The Great Odyssey Campaign" for normal monthly rotations where a little of anything is nice, but consider developing the "PLUS" version to use if it's to be offered as a special reward in the future?

(That would help motivate people to do Vana'bout more, too; offer the regular campaign at 100% of plaudit goal, and the improved version at 150%?)

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Odyssey campaign: Good, we like to see this.

Odyssey campaign in its current form: A little underwhelming, apparently, not enough to incentivize players to do Odyssey if they weren't already.

Conclusion: Keep "The Great Odyssey Campaign" for normal monthly rotations where a little of anything is nice, but consider developing the "PLUS" version to use if it's to be offered as a special reward in the future?

(That would help motivate people to do Vana'bout more, too; offer the regular campaign at 100% of plaudit goal, and the improved version at 150%?)

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That's more like it :)

What they also should've done for that new campaign is make the time limit 1 hour, instead of 30mins. That would've been worth it, then.

~ Vana'bout Feedback (2025-02) ~

This time around I completed only about 2 day's worth of objectives, in part due to how the event still works, and in part due to unrelated matters.

I really do want to like the event as a whole, but it's just not quite there yet.

Hopefully we will see a lot of improvements with the next round!

~ Objectives ~

The Good

The only good thing I can really say about these, are the changes made since the last round.

There were some new objectives added too, which is nice!

• The "Emptiness" objective was changed to a one-time objective.
• The requirements for the following objectives were reduced:

  • I'm on a Boat (VB)
  • Obtain Gallantry (VB)
  • Obtain Hallmarks (VB)

• The number of daily objectives was reduced.
• The amount of plaudits needed to receive the personal rewards were reduced.

The Bad

• Vana'Bout starts at an odd time, with 7(?) hours of a day left for a full set of objectives.
• Vana'bout ends at an odd time, with 7(?) hours of a day missing for a full set of objectives.
• The objective list menu item placement is not user-friendly, disturbing muscle memory every time the event comes and goes.
• Daily objectives remain when not completed, meaning players are stuck with objectives they could not complete, and likely will not be able to complete during the next day either. This makes them not only lose on total points available, but it will also be difficult, if not impossible to synchronise with other players to do the same objectives at the same time.
• There is no way to catch up if a single daily objective was not completed.
• The battlefields that may or may not require three (3) characters to even enter /can/ be fun, but they don't fit into a daily schedule in my opinion. Furthermore, they require spending either log-in points or Beastmen's seals, which have better uses.
• "Weekly Routine" and "Emptiness", though one-time objectives, can still be a bother due to the time limit on the quests required.
• The requirements for following objectives are (still) too high:

  • Obtain Gallantry (VB)
  • Obtain Hallmarks (VB)

The Ugly

• The first set of objectives included the Monster Rearing objective, which I am sure many were unable to complete due to the time Vana'Bout starts.

  • This kind of objectives would not be an issue if the Vana'bout round started when the day changes (Earth time).

What Do?

Ideas towards how things could possibly be changed.

• Start and end the Vana'Bout round when the day changes (Earth time).
• Move the event related Records of Eminence menu item into 'Objective List', away from the Quests window.
• If we really need to include them, perhaps change all the objectives related to battlefields that require at least 3 members, log-in points items, or Beastmen's seals into one-time objectives.
• Replace daily objectives on the next day, even if they were not completed.
• Add the new objectives when the day changes, while keeping the incomplete ones available as well, resulting in a kind of a back-log of objectives that can be completed when it is more convenient to the player. This would also give players a way to catch up.
• Either don't include objectives that require completion of quests that can be attempted only once per week, or adjust the quests so that they can be attempted more often (why are there time restrictions like these still around at all, one doth pondereth).
• Lower the requirements for following objectives (more):

  • Obtain Gallantry (VB)
  • Obtain Hallmarks (VB)

~ Personal Rewards ~

In general, the personal rewards seem very underwhelming, and/or just very weird.

For some of them "honourable" mentions will follow.

The "O.K. I Maybe Guess" Good

Bronze Tier

• Kupon I-Aby

  • Would be nice if this was more than 3. Say, 11 maybe? That might make it a bit over-the-top for players who have multiple characters... but are we taking that into consideration in anything else, really...
  • Someawhats surprised this is not Gold tier (good that it is not!).

Silver Tier

• 100 Deeds of Heroism

  • Actually pretty good for those chasing Monberaux.
  • Someawhats surprised this is not Gold tier (good that it is not!).

Gold Tier

• Moogle Memorandum

  • Good especially for those wanting to try Odyssey Gaol solo or with a friend or few at least a second time.

• 3 x Old Case +1

  • Perhaps this could be like, 11 x Old Case +1 instead, but compared to everything else, I suppose it is okay. Of course +2 would be much more better appreciated!

The Confusing Bad

Silver Tier

• 1 x 100 Byne Bill / L. Jadeshell / M. Silverpiece

  • Were these suppose to be 11 x or so? Just one of these can often be obtained in less than 5 minutes in Dynamis. These seem really out of place here.

Gold Tier

• 198 x Alexandrite

  • Was this supposed to be 1980? This seems even more out of place than the Dynamis 100-coins on the Silver tier.

The "Why Is This a Thing" Ugly

• I do not know for certain, but I dare to assume a little that the title reward is still given only to the 10 first ranked characters.

  • One player can effectively push everyone else outside the realm of title-having by using multiple characters, and even if there weren't so many players nowadays playing more than one character (at the same time or otherwise), and every one of them were real players, this just seems wrong. I can not see a good reason for it to remain implemented like this.

What Do?

• Bestow the title reward to everyone who reach Gold tier.

  • The title is pretty much the only thing I am interested in what comes to the rewards at this time. Last time I was pushed down to 11th in the ranking at the end, and I really did hope I'd get it this time, but it just was not meant to be. ^^

• Some of the rewards seem very out of place, and/or come in a strange quantity considering the effort they are normally obtained. Overall the rewards seem to be in need of a lot more thought.

~ Overall Rewards ~

• The Exemplar Points Bonus Campaign will probably be a good to have, though I am unsure why it needs to have that 500,000 points limit.
• Unsure if the 6 more days on the monthly campaigns will be noticeable, but I suppose it is something.
• I never really used the Matsui-P alter ego (I'm sorry!), so I don't really have anything to say on that one.

The personal overall rewards for me currently advertise '10000 exemplar points' and '10000 EXP.' (which I can not receive as the menu simply returns back where it was), and I kind of feel like the 10000 experience points does not compare very well to 10000 exemplar points, but since the menu appears to be broken, I can not really tell what it is supposed to even award us at this time.

Now if it was like last time, 21100 job points, that would be a little bit more like it, though of course that was a text error only, which was present during the previous round (proably still is, but can not confirm... and it probably was the Gold tier Job Points reward that had and/or has that issue).

https://i.imgur.com/dB6wnu9.png

~ See Also ~

These are related stand-alone threads from ages past, or not so past.

• Vana'Bout Category Placement Feedback
• Vana'Bout Round 2 Rollout Unfair to Those Seeking Title
• Vana'bout Gold Tier Rewards
• Why is it necessary to punish players for missing Vana'bout objectives?
• Vana'bout: "I'm on a boat"
• Thank you for Ballista in Vana'Bout
• Why I'm choosing to Scan'a'Trout instead of doing Vana'Doubt.

I do believe that is, as they say, that... for now.

Thank you!

Personally agreed with rearing, albeit glad on my end already having access to it being the quickest VBD to tag clear for. The process unlocking that still quite long, especially furrows ranking if players too new for finding out the "cheat" way to fast rank it, which personally took the long way & finding out a bit too late back then.


As for 1-time Ambus, unfortunately v1 this month didn't make it easier for gallantry farms, my latency's just way too worse to attempt /heal to avoid Odin's ohkos. & yes, unfortunately Odin even pops on v1ve as well. Doing v2 are even worse since near-worthless amount of gallantries to get even on d+.


Btw, i picked exemplar on gold tier, is that why I didn't see another exemplar point reward after current VB ends? only saw the xps.

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Personally agreed with rearing, albeit glad on my end already having access to it being the quickest VBD to tag clear for. The process unlocking that still quite long, especially furrows ranking if players too new for finding out the "cheat" way to fast rank it, which personally took the long way & finding out a bit too late back then.

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Yeah, unlocking it in the first place is quite the adventure... but the fact they had it as the first day objective, which is not even a half a day long, means that many would have already interacted with their critters before the event starts, and as such, be unable to complete it just because of that.

Not very nice, I think.

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As for 1-time Ambus, unfortunately v1 this month didn't make it easier for gallantry farms, my latency's just way too worse to attempt /heal to avoid Odin's ohkos. & yes, unfortunately Odin even pops on v1ve as well. Doing v2 are even worse since near-worthless amount of gallantries to get even on d+.

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Btw, i picked exemplar on gold tier, is that why I didn't see another exemplar point reward after current VB ends? only saw the xps.

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When you checked the overall rewards, did you have a job set that is able to obtain exemplar points at the time?

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When you checked the overall rewards, did you have a job set that is able to obtain exemplar points at the time?

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I guess it finally does. I did checked few days ago, about a day after VB ends, but there was only exp option on it, which I didn't take since all my jobs already capped level. Unfortunately I forgot taking screenshot at the time. Another thing is that I changed job on Mhaura at the time to mastered ones before checking with moogle, it might be another cause though can't really confirm, today I was just curiously changing job before coming to Mhaura, hence that might trigger perhaps...


https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...681&height=510




There's another another issue, albeit not that important on my end: have registered my name to ranking, albeit around midway of VB. Moogle did say the change would take some time to register. Unfortunately in the end it didn't register at all, despite mine should've met midway. Oh well... ^^;


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Originally Posted by BobbinT

There's another another issue, albeit not that important on my end: have registered my name to ranking, albeit around midway of VB. Moogle did say the change would take some time to register. Unfortunately in the end it didn't register at all, despite mine should've met midway. Oh well... ^^;

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I suspect you didn't have 1440 plaudits yet at the time you registered?

Perhaps you are lower on the list, if you had enough to still be ranked, but they don't keep track so we need to register again to update the score.

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

I suspect you didn't have 1440 plaudits yet at the time you registered?

Perhaps you are lower on the list, if you had enough to still be ranked, but they don't keep track so we need to register again to update the score.

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Haha perhaps that's it, albeit iirc have nearly 1000 when discovering the option to register for ranking. Kinda sux having to reupdate manually tho. Oh well... ^^;

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Actually pretty good for those chasing Monberaux.

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I hadn't been very diligent about the monthly objectives. I just unlocked him thanks to this vanabout.

I found this time round, a lot of the objectives were aimed at needing 3 or more people to be online to do battlefields. I barely made 700 plaudits this time round as I usually solo (though did a few battlefields). The month's ambuscade did not help matters, so for me, it was worse this time round & prizes were the same as last time. The 100 deeds for 700 plaudits is always worth it. Also, the overall rewards was only available for a week or so to pick them up, then disappeared on the latest update. The vana'bout website had the timeframe to collect them on there. Always worth checking the website. And SE, please make the double exempler pts campaign a permanent fixture? we all need it.

iirc the only non daily VB is just Emptiness @ promy. Personally was lucky seeing shouts doing it for VB & jumped the wagon. Fights even very easy solo.

But yea, the daily BCNM can be quite PitA, if don't do it early then can forget about it till swapped 2 days later, which is a shame since there's certain days where I can't even do them early due to JP daily reset also around my sleep hours. Still glad can still get over 1400+ by the end, as shown on my pics @ previous page. Like I said however, my biggest challenge this time is Ambu, since v1 is not easy, especially if wanna do as party for gallantries, with even v2vd rewards kinda abysmal & don't have the time to do lots of it, sad truth being not young anymore & irl stuff getting bigger the older one gets. ^^;

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Now if it was like last time, 21100 job points, that would be a little bit more like it, though of course that was a text error only, which was present during the previous round (proably still is, but can not confirm... and it probably was the Gold tier Job Points reward that had and/or has that issue).

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This was s upposed to be exemplar points, plaudits x100

It was fixed for round 4, the job points is some fraction of plaudits, you get around 100 or so after meeting the minimum

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

iirc the only non daily VB is just Emptiness @ promy. Personally was lucky seeing shouts doing it for VB & jumped the wagon. Fights even very easy solo.

But yea, the daily BCNM can be quite PitA, if don't do it early then can forget about it till swapped 2 days later, which is a shame since there's certain days where I can't even do them early due to JP daily reset also around my sleep hours. Still glad can still get over 1400+ by the end, as shown on my pics @ previous page. Like I said however, my biggest challenge this time is Ambu, since v1 is not easy, especially if wanna do as party for gallantries, with even v2vd rewards kinda abysmal & don't have the time to do lots of it, sad truth being not young anymore & irl stuff getting bigger the older one gets. ^^;

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I never had an issue getting a party for any of the daily’s even at weird hours. The key always seemed to be to have the entry item already, if I put ki provided in my yell I would usually have a full party in about 10 minutes. Emptyness though was another matter, often someone will forget ki or be on lockout or get lost in promy of god knows what else. I’m glad that was no longer a daily for round 4. I still would like to see fewer repeat objectives and less clustering around login points and ambuscade.

Next time, I would like to see objectives like "Kill 20 monsters in any Abyssea" or "Participate in a campaign battle" for 30 plaudits each, "Synthesize 10 Alchemy items" for 10 plaudits each. That kinda thing

Yeah, I mean we wouldn't want people doing any actual content or anything now...

the low level BCNMs were a mild inconvenience- and many can be soloed by pet kiting with summoner. The event BCs are all stupidly easy. I had no problem with most of the objectives in this round. For me the least liked objective was probably the ENM objective. Those weren't even that popular when they were new, due to the inconvenience of accessing those areas, and even though those zones are now uncapped, there is still no home point for those BC areas.

I just don't like BCNMs in general as objectives. Beastmen's seals are for Up In Arms, all other crests and seals are for trading in in for beastmen's seals during 2:1 campaigns; saying "no, you have to spend 20 of those seals you're hoarding to do this one" just doesn't sit well with me. Having to spend login points kind of sucks too, but at least with those you don't have any better use for them most months anyway (except more seals, for more Up In Arms, for more treasure pools with no kraken club in them...)

Which takes me back to the complaint I still have about the whole thing: If I decide I'm not spending my beastmen's seals, and I can't get 20 plaudits for that objective, that's okay. If I can't get a further 20 plaudits because that objective is still lingering and taking up the spot tomorrow, that's not okay.

It's not even about how many points you can or can not get over the event - though if you want the mulcibar's scoria at the end, you have a lot less freedom to skip impractical or distasteful objectives than you think. It's about the message, that "how can you have any meat if you don't eat your pudding" mentality. It's a game, I am paying to play, don't condescend to judge and punish me for deciding that I don't want to (or simply can't) do some task. The appropriate response is to not award points for a task not completed, not to spitefully deny access to another, potentially more desirable task, that should have been offered tomorrow.

I mean really, if the goal is to make people really want to push to complete every objective no matter how they feel about it, reduce the value of the slot and then give a streak bonus for completing consecutive objectives from that pool. Turn it from a penalty for missed tasks to a reward for consistently completed ones. People like rewards, and they dislike penalties.