Development Team Downsizing and Justification Makes no Sense

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Originally Posted by Pixela

reported, enjoy your ban

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LOL at the idea that anybody would be banned. I think Uriah's spam has disproven the hypothesis that there are any moderators here.

I dunno if you were here years ago but they used to ban like demons, most people who used to post here were nuked over nothing.

Not sure why they had a zero tolerance policy but I note they stopped acting like that around the time they decided to re-invigorate XI and not just try push us all into XIV.

lol Yes, many things have been changed after last years. I was not going to say shame on the UK for not recognizing our hard times during Trump era. I was feeling risky when some SE staff fell in love by “pushing them into XI more using my XIV screenshots.” That was enough and was just unfair that I was seemly the only one person who tried to cheer everyone up. As far as I know I have played with them once during a Primed for Adventure event, they are the nicest staff you have now. Me? I felt awkward that I was obviously breaking the rules and then I told them what those Goblin Bounty Hunters are for and that they are completely useless.

On the other side, I agree that these forums need to be closed down for good.

Just stop using them if you don't like them.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

lol Yes, many things have been changed after last years. I was not going to say shame on the UK for not recognizing our hard times during Trump era. I was feeling risky when some SE staff fell in love by “pushing them into XI more using my XIV screenshots.” That was enough and was just unfair that I was seemly the only one person who tried to cheer everyone up. As far as I know I have played with them once during a Primed for Adventure event, they are the nicest staff you have now. Me? I felt awkward that I was obviously breaking the rules and then I told them what those Goblin Bounty Hunters are for and that they are completely useless.

On the other side, I agree that these forums need to be closed down for good.

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I like how that whole thing was a paragraph of near incoherent gibberish. Only to reach an unrelated and sensible conclusion in the last sentence.

When you do the wrong math, but get the right answer anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

I like how that whole thing was a paragraph of near incoherent gibberish. Only to reach an unrelated and sensible conclusion in the last sentence.

When you do the wrong math, but get the right answer anyway.

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I knew anyone would say that. In reality, I speak only sign language. Obviously, it gotta hurt some British people' brains. When I type I have to think through my language first and it is clearly based on French syntax and grammar.

I was just sick of these forums sometimes but now everything is good so far it seems.

You should change your name from spicyryan to blandryan.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

You should change your name from spicyryan to blandryan.

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I already suggested a Bland Brian as an anti-Spicy Traveler NPC. Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

lol Yes, many things have been changed after last years. I was not going to say shame on the UK for not recognizing our hard times during Trump era.

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What on planet earth are you talking about?

We need some moderation here, this is just ridiculous .

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

What on planet earth are you talking about?

We need some moderation here, this is just ridiculous .

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I think you have none from the UK expect XIV only. I mean they are from California and I am from Virginia... A lot of UK references here.

Have screenshots of my characters jobs in all there END GAME glory... All I've ever cared about... I actually look forward to the day never have to deal with the community again...

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Originally Posted by Amnesty

Have screenshots of my characters jobs in all there END GAME glory... All I've ever cared about... I actually look forward to the day never have to deal with the community again...

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You were asking the community for help the other day in yell.

I'm glad your slowly figuring out how this game works...

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Originally Posted by Amnesty

Have screenshots of my characters jobs in all there END GAME glory... All I've ever cared about... I actually look forward to the day never have to deal with the community again...

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Given how horrible your ML party was last night with Ronstadt. The community would appreciate not dealing with you either.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Given how horrible your ML party was last night with Ronstadt. The community would appreciate not dealing with you either.

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Shots fired o.O

At least me and Ronstadt are doing the grind regardless of having the ideal setup...

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Originally Posted by Amnesty

At least me and Ronstadt are doing the grind regardless of having the ideal setup...

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Ideally you both wouldn't be offering to bring a COR bot and getting ~80-90k an hour.

Getting M.Lv 30 ~ 40 in several days is reasonable... WTF is wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by Amnesty

Getting M.Lv 30 ~ 40 in several days is reasonable... WTF is wrong with you?

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I'm not sure that you understand what I am saying.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

I'm not sure that you understand what I am saying.

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I think he meant the game already got mixed up thanks to the cap 99. They don't play as intended anymore. Just cheating and botting. That truth without proper reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Lets use South Park as an analogy to make a point

They created the show in 1997 and it's still putting out shows today and still making good money, they updated the creation tools but it still looks the same and is pretty much the same thing but new stories. If the animators working on it are bored or want to go make the terminator, they replace them with new staff that do want to work on it.

If South Park was owned by Square Enix, they would of canceled it and replaced with with a hyper realstic CGI series cause the "animators" (in reality it's managerial) were bored of the old style and are excited about CGI. It would cost 30 million dollars an episode, take 6 months per episode, everyone would hate it, each flower pot in the background would have 100 billion polygons, they would cancel it in a year after burning 120 million dollars while 10 people watched and then make a new CGI series that cost 40 million an episode and that would fail again.

This is how Square Enix operate, they are so fixated with novelty, new tech and new audiences that they don't understand you should always nurture success and audiences you already have.

FFXI is 20 years old ps2 game, guess what? The players aren't going anywhere anytime soon, new players are still joining (who like grind / long term / old school - hi2u runescape / aesthetic) and it has plenty of profit growth potential with expansions and merch. A lot of people would come back for 5-6 months for an expansion too, so it's not even just the expansion box price that would make money but the sub price from booster player numbers after too.

With investment FFXI could carry on another 20-30 years easily and be updated all that time, and make good money doing it.

All they need to do is invest money into dev tools so people can keep making content etc, it's not even comparatively expensive to do compared to everything else they throw money at. As long as they just try to re-create what they NEED.

It does not matter if it's 20 year old tech if people like it and will pay to play it, also the devs want to keep working on it because they are XI fans and have stated they only got into game dev becasue they loved XI and wanted to work on it.

The entire problem is management.

They have burned money on countless games over the past few years that quickly died, and damaged their brand in the process as completely chaotic company. If they spent a fraction of that on XI dev tools it would of been guaranteed profits for the next 20+ years and it would be amazing PR to rebuild faith and love in the company.

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Again the same thing is going to (and actually already is) happening with XIV where they are getting itchy feet and want to work on the newest AAA single player devil may cry clone.

The only reason they are still in business at all is because they have a loyal fanbase that keep bailing them out of every hole they jump into, but that are slowly getting sick and tired of their antics.

Everyone I know that used to be a Square Enix fan is now a fan of a specific thing they run, and hate the company. That is not good.

Most companies understand the value of a loyal fanbase and niche products, Square Enix understand nothing but chasing pretty butterflies.

They are running XI into the ground.
They are doing the same thing with XIV.
They ruined FF7 R in so many ways.
FF16 looks like a complete mess of mashed together ideas that will end up appealing to barely anyone.

I mean really.

TLDR: If people still like Chess, make more Chess boards and don't try make super intergalatic blackhole 4d chOss'.

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This is so true, this company is just terrible. They used to ban like crazy back then I remember, so many people got smacked for the dumbest things. I always am shocked that Anelheim is still here for that reason.

Because he's an informer / reporter and other people are not, so if you're in a place where one person reporting everyone and nobody is as low down and dirty to do the same, they win. FFXIAH is the same becasue very much like here the moderator/s don't read anything naturally and only come here when they get reports.

He got nuked fast from the XIV forums becasue there were people like him there.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Because he's an informer / reporter and other people are not, so if you're in a place where one person reporting everyone and nobody is as low down and dirty to do the same, they win. FFXIAH is the same becasue very much like here the moderator/s don't read anything naturally and only come here when they get reports.

He got nuked fast from the XIV forums becasue there were people like him there.

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Almost everybody gets nuked fast from the FFXIV forums, because people are honest and don't sugar coat their opinions more often than not. But even that is becoming less true these days as there are fewer official posts. I got banned from the XIV forums for using a certain strongly inappropriate word to describe what I thought of a certain bad idea (Bizzarely in spite of this they never moderated the actual post... ?????). Since I have restrained the potty mouth around here, I thus haven't gotten in trouble since.

I already addressed the rest of the silliness in that quoted comment (for lack of an appropriate word), so I'm not going to do so again. There is one spot we agree and that's SE being a terrible company (with a lot of great talent working for them). I just disagree with all the "boost FFXIV ruin FFXIV" stuff. Because everything is simply running its course with SE being a business and businesses doing business things. FFXIV is reaching the latter part of its lifespan and its support will gradually decrease, probably starting with the next expansion. PAX East had FFXIV badge lanyards the last 5 times or so, this year it was FFXVI lanyards. Eventually just like FFXI, FFXIV will be a thing that simply exists and generates free money while SE moves on to its Next Big Thing.

Its just not fair at all, I hate the whole situation. If I had the knowledge and worked in the field, i would work on the game for free. I had not felt this sad about the games future since the announcements of end of major content with ROV ending. Can only hope something changes along the line because thats what happened last time. Only this time there are other factors hurting the game and its bottom line like private servers and a jaded community. This game has so many potential new stories and fun times to be had and so many people want it to succeed but are sad to see it neglected. 16 looks like a completely different game, not even Final Fantasy... This was always the one game I could always come back to and feel at home and enjoy myself and they even trying to slowly take that away. I guess we will all just reach a point as we get older and pushed out in favor of the new kids. Why is it so terrible to support loyal fans and continue working on a legacy title that they benefited from so much?

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i would work on the game for free.

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It's pretty easy to say this when you're not already doing it. given what we do know about how the game was built, it might just be one of the worst software development projects you could work on. And evidently, there were some people on FFXI that didn't want to be working on it full time (i.e. the reason the producer said that they are holding people's careers back)

You know, life just isn't fair sometimes. Nothing lasts forever.

Did you know that in Japan a funeral was held (by the company that ran it) for the last remaining pager service in operation in Japan? At the time they still had somewhere around a few thousand people still using it (i.e. doctors), but no matter how much something might be loved by the people still using it, there comes a time when we simply have to get with the times.

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

Given the absolute nonsense that has been posted on these forums over the last week, I think SE should just close these forums down.

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I'm surprised they haven't years ago.

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Originally Posted by Uriah

https://github.com/ps2dev/ps2dev

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This is funny, you think a company would use something like this? I'm sure Sony would approve it.

Square spent way more on Marvel Avengers and it was free to play and nobody wanted to play it, they had to close it in a few years. Next gen engine and all.

FFXI is a 20 year old ps2 game and we are all throwing money at them to play it, yet they refuse to invest more into it beyond the bare min.

It's not rocket science, but apparently it is to them.

They should know better because almost everything they make recently is garbage and they can't afford to act like this.

I have never worked on PS2 software or hardware but I would imagine it's more complicated than just port their engine to something new.
Problem is likely between "Does SE want to have 2 modern MMORPG in the FF IP" and money+resources required for such a task.

I think this ship has sailed like a decade ago but I kinda like the game as it is, but then I grew up with the game so I'm having both a bias and rose-tinted glasses.

The easiest way to do something on a different platform is to make a wrapper that takes the driver/hardware calls made by the original software (in this case, for the PS2's graphics subsystem) and output equivalent calls for the graphics system on the other platform, which I'm pretty sure is basically what they do for the windows version of FFXI. The well known artifacts like the windows in the mog house among other things are caused when they fail to achieve equivalency with the other platform's graphics system (in this case, DirectX).

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I think this ship has sailed like a decade ago but I kinda like the game as it is, but then I grew up with the game so I'm having both a bias and rose-tinted glasses.

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I agree, I feel the same way.

Not everything has to end, there are franchises and games still going for the same amount of time and still getting content. Its a steady revenue for them and is pure profit practically, I don't see any reason for it to end. People are still willing to pay them 100+ a month to multi box and have wardrobes etc. They are sitting ontop of a pile of cash here with the returns they could get if they did things like race change service or other features that XIV even has. They constantly revamp and remaster dinky games like FF1~6 yet can't be bothered to bring XI to modern audiences with a touch up or big expansion, shameful really.

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Not everything has to end, there are franchises and games still going...

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FFXI is not ending, nor are content updates stopping entirely. They're just not willing to spend as much on its upkeep.

FF14 started as a sub standard mmo, then got a bit better and then quickly turned into a literal second life knockoff. It was over when they saw how much those kinds of players spend on outfits. The main endgame is standing in limsa or dancing in stupid nightclubs in peoples mog hosue basements with massive donkey kongs modded on.

If they lose most ff11 players because we become disheartened, we won't be going there.

I love the arrogance of people like Pixela who think they can somehow intuit the complexities of a major corporation's revenue streams based solely on "I like this one product, and a bunch of other people also like this product".

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Originally Posted by Tarmarkvar

I love the arrogance of people like Pixela who think they can somehow intuit the complexities of a major corporation's revenue streams based solely on "I like this one product, and a bunch of other people also like this product".

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But I pay $12.95, and feel I should pay even less since I am not getting as much as I feel I should. So an entire company should move to fulfill my personal desires because they are so terrible and XI is so good because I feels.

If I'm paying for updates and they stop those updates I have every right to be mad (especially if they announce it in a stupid manner like, "careers") , not only because of my personal opinion but because I know people are going to start quitting because of it and it puts the entire project at risk. I would of been happier if they said nothing and just did it than what they did.

If I see a company making flop after flop and losing hundreds of millions of dollars I may suggest that maybe you would value a product you made 20 years ago that people want to pay to play still.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

If I'm paying for updates and they stop those updates I have every right to be mad (especially if they announce it in a stupid manner like, "careers") , not only because of my personal opinion but because I know people are going to start quitting because of it and it puts the entire project at risk. I would of been happier if they said nothing and just did it than what they did.

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You are not paying for updates. You were never paying for updates. Stop using that idiotic strawman. You are paying for use of an online service.

People have been quitting this game for 20 years. The management at Square Enix is perfectly aware of this fact. I quit for 3 years at one point from August 2017 to about the time in 2020 when Voracious Resurgence was announced. Somehow the game survived without me.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

If I'm paying for updates and they stop those updates I have every right to be mad (especially if they announce it in a stupid manner like, "careers") , not only because of my personal opinion but because I know people are going to start quitting because of it and it puts the entire project at risk. I would of been happier if they said nothing and just did it than what they did.

If I see a company making flop after flop and losing hundreds of millions of dollars I may suggest that maybe you would value a product you made 20 years ago that people want to pay to play still.

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If I see a company and I feel about it the way that you seem to, I would stop being their customer and move on to something else. But you're still here.

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But you're still here.

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I'm here till my sub runs out, I paid for this forum account I'm using it.