What would make you return to ffxi? (if you left and came back for the free access)

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Originally Posted by Draylo-

Makes me shake my head every time. People overglorify the 75 days too much, theres still plenty of grinding if thats what you want. The only thing missing is the community (which admittedly I do miss having a lot of people) and waiting a month in a line for gear like homam and HNM drops...

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Well there's something I can agree with you on. The community is what made the grind fun. Of course when you can still get that now, it's still fun, but problem is it's not that advantageous to team up outside of endgame content anymore (least, it doesn't seem that way, nobody ever seems to want to party).

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Originally Posted by Draylo-

Makes me shake my head every time. People overglorify the 75 days too much, theres still plenty of grinding if thats what you want. The only thing missing is the community (which admittedly I do miss having a lot of people) and waiting a month in a line for gear like homam and HNM drops...

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I agree with this and your earlier posts in this thread.

FFXI today is more fun than ever, the QOL additions over the last few years have been awesome. FFXI has always been my favourite game, but if I felt it was less fun to play today I would just say so. We've got things like trans-job gear /lockstyles, all the transport books/HPs, RoV storyline, new battlefields, Trusts, job-tweaks, Jobpoints and Gifts, cool new novelty costumes, Vana'Clock, JSE capes, fun special-dial on gobbybox, etc.etc. These and countless other QOL / fun new tweaks that the Devs have added, have made the Best Computergame Ever into an even more fun experience to play.

I agree with the general points about missing the old days of packed servers, meeting new people from around the real world every day, those days were fun too. But they were tempered with the whole nine-hours-in-Selbina-with-your-flag-up factor. And the begging / kissing LS leaders to actually enable you to obtain gear / clears. So even though there was more people in the old game, there was less game fluidity, less personal mobility.

People who are not playing FFXI are missing out, this is not the funeral, this is the Golden Era when you can log in and just play the game without waiting and begging all the time lol. And the game is still awesome, the actual player-world engine is a masterpiece of skilled craftsmanship, the graphics are not new and shiny, but they are functional and beautiful in their own way. It is still an amazing gaming experience, and I do truly feel sorry for those people who are missing out on it.

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Originally Posted by Draylo-

Except it isn't fun for everyone, its pretty much a WoW clone with FF skin. It has 0 similarities to how FFXI plays or how the item progression was (and is for most things.) I don't know how you run out of things to do when there's 22 jobs and no not all equipment is more or less the same. There are very nice pieces of gear that can make a difference between winning something and not. XIV there's a lot to do? Spam the same 4 dungeons each week to cap tokens using the same combo over and over(at least in XI you can vary it with SC's and spells), then do alex if you can find a competent group and then... what? Do PvP? ha!

All of that grinding and then in the new few major patches its all reset and you can restart on that treadmill. You can't even play multiple jobs to end game things like Alex savage or you gimp your team because you must be forced into one job you spend your tokens on. In FFXI you can play any of the 22 jobs and its much easier to gear them and just play them. You can do things unconventionally (low man delve, soloing certain BCNMs, crazy builds to mess around with like NIN MAB or WHM holy sets, different setups for content) whereas in FFXIV you are stuck to the holy trinity of tank DPS healer.

You pretty much sound like a XIV purist so I won't bother getting into a huge debate with you but your post is so wrong. Most XI players went to XIV because its popular and has pretty graphics with FF related nostalgia, and also because SE gave up on XI. Also just because something is popular doesn't make it "good." Look at how many people bashed WoW when FFXI was in its glory days, those same players are playing a clone of it lol. A lot of people quit all the time in XIV, and regardless if theres people to play with (can't do much with them unless they are in your savage group, no FC content etc.) the community is horrid in there.

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I took several weeks finally leveled up all my crafts and gathering jobs to 60. Just started doing battle jobs only have 2 out of 13 battle jobs capped at level 60 in 14 giving me so much to do because leveling battle jobs takes a lot of time. On FFXI however I do the story missions which take 2-3 hours then I am pretty much done till next patch. I already have all the gear I need, with 14 though you can get a lot of better gear with each patch giving you something to work for.

There so much to do from hunting minion pets, trying to craft glamour gear make cute looking outfits for your character. My old FFXI LS all moved to 14 we have about 60 active members. I can understand playing FFXI still but a lot of people who played FFXI did move on cause its 14 is basically the successor to 11 and it does have pretty graphics and a lot of nice features.

All XIV has is pretty graphics. The game is souless. Mages are boring to play. It's plastic.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I took several weeks finally leveled up all my crafts and gathering jobs to 60. Just started doing battle jobs only have 2 out of 13 battle jobs capped at level 60 in 14 giving me so much to do because leveling battle jobs takes a lot of time. On FFXI however I do the story missions which take 2-3 hours then I am pretty much done till next patch. I already have all the gear I need, with 14 though you can get a lot of better gear with each patch giving you something to work for.

There so much to do from hunting minion pets, trying to craft glamour gear make cute looking outfits for your character. My old FFXI LS all moved to 14 we have about 60 active members. I can understand playing FFXI still but a lot of people who played FFXI did move on cause its 14 is basically the successor to 11 and it does have pretty graphics and a lot of nice features.

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I guess it depends on the vision and playstyle of each and everyone. It took me one week to get my BLM to 60, along with my three gatherers. After that, the same old spam the same dungeon forever, do the raid once a week because of the lockouts. And now it even comes with lockouts for crafting and gathering.
My old LS was on FFXI for several years, we all moved to XIV (1.0) and played until the end. Then 2.0 came, we were around 40 and we all ran away from that game after some months, and I mean ran away. We have 4 people still playing on XIV, and they even say that they're bored as hell with the game but that "there is nothing else as new and shiny".

Sadly for them, and for a lot of people, they are missing out on the gem that is FFXI, and as Stompa said, it is in its golden age right now. I'm tempted to go even farther as saying that FFXIV's supposed success is a nice little reflection on the state of gaming and people in general, aiming for emptiness and pop corn content.

I'm surprised you are saying that you have all the gear you need in FFXI but enjoy getting "better" gear on FFXIV with each patch. We have been getting a ton of new gear in XI these last few months, so unless you are only interested in having max level gear and not get all the situational stuff -which is, according to me, one of the best point of FFXI-, I don't see how you can say that you are done after doing the missions. And getting all these pieces of equipment takes a lot of time, even more than leveling battle jobs in FFXIV spamming FATEs and some dungeons, the main difference being that here, you actually have a huge choice of content, you're not locked out, you play the way you want to, with the number of players you chose to play with and you rarely find yourself throwing away your stuff every three months. There is pretty much nothing to do on FFXIV, most of the content is junk and a joke, the only thing where they put thought in is how to keep people subscribed until the next update.

We actually had way more interesting content with the last few updates and RoV updates in FFXI, for free, than in Heavensward (hi 120$ collector edition).

If you don't enjoy FFXI anymore, that's too bad I guess but I keep wondering why so many people who are enjoying FFXIV -oh so much- keep coming here or on other FFXI forum.

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Originally Posted by Olor

All XIV has is pretty graphics. The game is souless. Mages are boring to play. It's plastic.

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Subjective opinion. I main SMN, and while it is completely utterly different from XI, it's still fun to play. It got moreso with AKH MORN! aka deathflare.

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After that, the same old spam the same dungeon forever, do the raid once a week because of the lockouts.

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I'd rather do something a couple times a week and get what I want than spam it 5000 times fighting for that <1% drop rate to work in my favor.

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Sadly for them, and for a lot of people, they are missing out on the gem that is FFXI, and as Stompa said, it is in its golden age right now.

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Not all of us are missing out on it. \o/

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If you don't enjoy FFXI anymore, that's too bad I guess but I keep wondering why so many people who are enjoying FFXIV -oh so much- keep coming here or on other FFXI forum.

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In most cases, it's because we still like XI too. Shocking as it may seem, liking FFXI and liking FFXIV are not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'd rather do something a couple times a week and get what I want than spam it 5000 times fighting for that <1% drop rate to work in my favor.

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You can complete each floor of Alexander Savage once a week, first you're not sure you'll be getting a drop, then you have to wait several weeks cumulating tokens to exchange for equipment. This is your terrible drop rate in disguise (and Draylo said it, we don't have many <1% drop rates left in FFXI).
I'd rather play the way I want to and spam an event if I want to, rather than have someone tell me how I'm supposed to play and for how long per week. And even blocking me no matter how well I play with DPS checks everywhere (again, subscription streeetching). And... only to throw away everything I worked for after several weeks.

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

If you don't enjoy FFXI anymore, that's too bad I guess but I keep wondering why so many people who are enjoying FFXIV -oh so much- keep coming here or on other FFXI forum.

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Mainly cause there is free time every update to do story missions in FFXI. Since I played it for like 13 years I want to see how it ends with the new storyline. People like different things but there are plenty of people who do like and enjoy FFXIV. People have different tastes on what they like in a game.

If FFXI goes truly F2P, I will most likely retire from MMOs for as long as I can hold myself back. I've quit tried to quit three times already.

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

I guess it depends on the vision and playstyle of each and everyone. It took me one week to get my BLM to 60, along with my three gatherers. After that, the same old spam the same dungeon forever, do the raid once a week because of the lockouts. And now it even comes with lockouts for crafting and gathering.
My old LS was on FFXI for several years, we all moved to XIV (1.0) and played until the end. Then 2.0 came, we were around 40 and we all ran away from that game after some months, and I mean ran away. We have 4 people still playing on XIV, and they even say that they're bored as hell with the game but that "there is nothing else as new and shiny".

Sadly for them, and for a lot of people, they are missing out on the gem that is FFXI, and as Stompa said, it is in its golden age right now. I'm tempted to go even farther as saying that FFXIV's supposed success is a nice little reflection on the state of gaming and people in general, aiming for emptiness and pop corn content.

I'm surprised you are saying that you have all the gear you need in FFXI but enjoy getting "better" gear on FFXIV with each patch. We have been getting a ton of new gear in XI these last few months, so unless you are only interested in having max level gear and not get all the situational stuff -which is, according to me, one of the best point of FFXI-, I don't see how you can say that you are done after doing the missions. And getting all these pieces of equipment takes a lot of time, even more than leveling battle jobs in FFXIV spamming FATEs and some dungeons, the main difference being that here, you actually have a huge choice of content, you're not locked out, you play the way you want to, with the number of players you chose to play with and you rarely find yourself throwing away your stuff every three months. There is pretty much nothing to do on FFXIV, most of the content is junk and a joke, the only thing where they put thought in is how to keep people subscribed until the next update.

We actually had way more interesting content with the last few updates and RoV updates in FFXI, for free, than in Heavensward (hi 120$ collector edition).

If you don't enjoy FFXI anymore, that's too bad I guess but I keep wondering why so many people who are enjoying FFXIV -oh so much- keep coming here or on other FFXI forum.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. The gaming scene atm is... depressing for the most part. Instant gratification kiddies running amock with their candy crush and such. I have friends who feel the same way, they are bored of XIV but force themselves to play it. The mindset of some of these players is horrid though. Look at the person you quoted, clearly that guy doesn't have a clue. He really considers minion pets and glamor as content LOL, oh man those DEVs must make a killing on their cash shop off those people. He mentions "pretty graphics" several times... I even had a comment against me on youtube saying "let ffxi go already ffxiv is the future" so I said "why let ffxi go? its a game like any other and its still fun, age has nothing to do with it" and he responds "it has outdated graphics" like really...? I can only imagine these kids are like 12 years old or something.

I tried to get people to play FFXI on my FFXIV FC to play some during the free week, like I said its all people from my 11 ls and nobody really wanted to come back for the free week to play some. Did get 2 people to bite in previous free weeks, one of them played for 10 min and said "no not playing this again". Other person I got to play for like a day, exp on some rabbits and raptors in that one seekers snowy area but that was about it.

One of the biggest problems is the game population there is like 200-300 people on at peak times with about half of them afk bazzaring in jeuno most of the people are also JP players who are left. Would it be cool to try new delve the new nms in the new RoV areas. Guessing SE will merge servers take them down to 2-4 after the final update the major problem for returning players is there is nobody to do anything with past story missions which are solo.

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Originally Posted by Draylo-

I think you hit the nail on the head. The gaming scene atm is... depressing for the most part. Instant gratification kiddies running amock with their candy crush and such. I have friends who feel the same way, they are bored of XIV but force themselves to play it. The mindset of some of these players is horrid though. Look at the person you quoted, clearly that guy doesn't have a clue. He really considers minion pets and glamor as content LOL, oh man those DEVs must make a killing on their cash shop off those people. He mentions "pretty graphics" several times... I even had a comment against me on youtube saying "let ffxi go already ffxiv is the future" so I said "why let ffxi go? its a game like any other and its still fun, age has nothing to do with it" and he responds "it has outdated graphics" like really...? I can only imagine these kids are like 12 years old or something.

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Is it really hard to believe that people actually like different stuff then you?

Oh I believe it, but I feel the stuff they like is inferior and its a shame FFXI isn't given their time :( I know what you mean about people not wanting to come back to XI even though its free, always puzzles me.

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Originally Posted by Draylo-

I think you hit the nail on the head. The gaming scene atm is... depressing for the most part. Instant gratification kiddies running amock with their candy crush and such. I have friends who feel the same way, they are bored of XIV but force themselves to play it. The mindset of some of these players is horrid though. Look at the person you quoted, clearly that guy doesn't have a clue. He really considers minion pets and glamor as content LOL, oh man those DEVs must make a killing on their cash shop off those people. He mentions "pretty graphics" several times... I even had a comment against me on youtube saying "let ffxi go already ffxiv is the future" so I said "why let ffxi go? its a game like any other and its still fun, age has nothing to do with it" and he responds "it has outdated graphics" like really...? I can only imagine these kids are like 12 years old or something.

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Honestly, I know all this talk is useless and I'm sure you know that too. I must admit that I grew tired of all these people saying "amen" to pretty much everything SE did on FFXIV when clearly they take the players for granted and offer something absolutely worthless. I've been following FFXIV since the beginning and it amazes me how people do not see what they are served or just chose to accept things as they are, believing every word of "incredible effort and devotion" from the team and in particular from the producer. How long will they cope with this? I'm watching, and I may end up sounding like a troll but this is not my goal, at all, I simply don't understand -and I really try to- how most of the people came to accept all of this, even paying for it. My faith in humanity takes a hit every time.

Anyway, I will just say that I deeply enjoy these sweet moments in FFXI even though I am playing entirely solo now by choice. I enjoy reading people like you, Stompa and others sharing their love for this game, knowing how we all feel about it and seeing that I am not alone (and crazy, for some) in how much I love Vana'diel. This world has been our second home for several years and I never ever felt this anywhere else, and probably never will again.

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You can complete each floor of Alexander Savage once a week, first you're not sure you'll be getting a drop, then you have to wait several weeks cumulating tokens to exchange for equipment.

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No, it's not terrible drop rates in disguise. Form a premade party, do 2 runs, and odds are pretty good most people in the group will get something. If not in 2, then in 3. Unlike things like the Tartarus mail where entire alliances might go in and not even see it drop much less get it.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. The gaming scene atm is...

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No, not really he didn't. Different people like different things. I'm not sure why there's a problem with this? And it's hilarious lumping FFXIV in with Candy Crush? The only way to "instant gratification" in that game is to throw lots of money at it for cheat boosters, anyway. FFXIV is far from instant gratification. Also, you ridicule minions and glamour but some people enjoy customizing their avatars as much or even more than they like playing the game itself (Not just FFXIV either, but any game with a character creator or appearance thing going on in it). Who are you to tell them they can't like this that or the other thing?

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when clearly they take the players for granted and offer something absolutely worthless.

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Maybe it's worthless *to you*, but who are you to say that it's worthless to other people? Just because you don't like it and think it's bad, doesn't make it some kind of almighty fact. Different people like different things, and I'm more convinced than ever that the hate for FFXIV displayed here is purely resentment for the perception that it was specifically created to kill their precious baby, FFXI. Well, I keep coming back, so obviously that didn't work, did it? In many of the posts above, what I see basically amounts to "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"

And seriously, why am I like not allowed to like both FFXI and FFXIV? Why do I get crapped on for even mentioning the game here? That's really not fair. The fact that you keep seeing me back here should be regarded as a testament to FFXI's brainwashing power, lol- seems I can't stay away from it forever, even if I try to! Let people like what they want and stop hating them for it.

Vanfrano, really all it is, is the game isn't for you. That doesn't make it bad or defective, not everything can appeal to everybody. The people you see praising Yoshi P and the dev team are simply showing their appriciation because they're genuinely having a good time. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand, even if you don't see what people find fun about the game. The simple fact is, they do find things fun about the game, and you shouldn't have to understand why to accept that.

I think the game having so much solo content, and stopping major updates after rhapsody is what's going to get me to do alot of subbing because then it becomes almost a giant solo RPG.

Between FFXIV and FFXI I feel the better value is FFXIV because as a legacy player their is quite a difference of paying as low as $7.99 for upwards of 40 characters a month. (I use 8 Characters on Zalera.) compared to $12.95 + $1 for each mule it's not even close. Sadly that does play a big role in which I choose to play the last few years.

What I don't like about XIV and what I did like about XI before the level cap increase was not having a gear treadmill where after months of work everything is flushed. It's why I believe games like GW2 which the incentive for different gear is for the most part purely for cosmetic glamours and not constant stat upgrades is one of the best options for these types of games. Thankfully that seems to be in the future what FFXI will play like where after you get your gear and work towards your final peices the rest will just be for stylelock.

I also feel like XI as a pure game is the better of the two due to the vast amount of content you can do. Now, most of it is obsolete. That goes the same for XIV once heavensward came out ARR content was completly obsolete. But, in both games you can still partake in the content for fun and this is where XI shines compared to XIV. XI has more options of different styles of content to partake in. Now, this isnt a fault of XIV as much as it's that XI has been out for so much longer. XIV has some fun content like Chocobo Racing, and Triple Triad, and really fun PVP. But the boredom and burnout comes in when other then those few side options all you have really is DF Dungeons and trials, which most people are burned out on a vast majority of them from all the tunneling of the Relic Weapon Questlines from 2.0

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It's why I believe games like GW2 which the incentive for different gear is for the most part purely for cosmetic glamours

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Except FFXIV is pretty much all about this. When you continue your "gear treadmill", you build up a collection of often awesome looking stuff that now serve a second purpose of making you look however you want, and awesome in the process. The further irony is it was FFXIV that used the term "glamours." It doesn't matter what gear you get so much as simply getting it. in FFXI there is a lot of content that doesn't get played because the rewards suck. in FFXIV that doesn't happen because even doing old content (via the roulette) can help you get new gear. Plus, as I said before, XI still has treadmills, they just work differently because of the progression style.

It works better for FFXIv because it didn't spend 7+ years frozen at the same level cap. If FFXI had not waited so long (or never did it at all, one or the other), it would have worked out better.
(1.0 XIV doesn't really count because most people didn't play it until ARR and 1.0 was almost a totally different game)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, not really he didn't. Different people like different things. I'm not sure why there's a problem with this? And it's hilarious lumping FFXIV in with Candy Crush? The only way to "instant gratification" in that game is to throw lots of money at it for cheat boosters, anyway. FFXIV is far from instant gratification. Also, you ridicule minions and glamour but some people enjoy customizing their avatars as much or even more than they like playing the game itself (Not just FFXIV either, but any game with a character creator or appearance thing going on in it). Who are you to tell them they can't like this that or the other thing?

Maybe it's worthless *to you*, but who are you to say that it's worthless to other people? Just because you don't like it and think it's bad, doesn't make it some kind of almighty fact. Different people like different things, and I'm more convinced than ever that the hate for FFXIV displayed here is purely resentment for the perception that it was specifically created to kill their precious baby, FFXI. Well, I keep coming back, so obviously that didn't work, did it? In many of the posts above, what I see basically amounts to "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!"

And seriously, why am I like not allowed to like both FFXI and FFXIV? Why do I get crapped on for even mentioning the game here? That's really not fair. The fact that you keep seeing me back here should be regarded as a testament to FFXI's brainwashing power, lol- seems I can't stay away from it forever, even if I try to! Let people like what they want and stop hating them for it.

Vanfrano, really all it is, is the game isn't for you. That doesn't make it bad or defective, not everything can appeal to everybody. The people you see praising Yoshi P and the dev team are simply showing their appriciation because they're genuinely having a good time. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand, even if you don't see what people find fun about the game. The simple fact is, they do find things fun about the game, and you shouldn't have to understand why to accept that.

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It's not really about "not liking what I don't like", it's more about "open your eyes and see that this game doesn't respect its playerbase and manipulates it". Also, don't take things too personally, obviously you're allowed to like both games.

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"open your eyes and see that this game doesn't respect its playerbase and manipulates it"

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This is completely false. It totally respects its playerbase. It's actually incredible how many things the community asks for and flat out gets just because they asked for it. They certainly don't say "we have no plans" to almost every single suggestion, request, etc. The players are manipulating the game, not the other way around.

But really, my point was, the players aren't just mindless worshippers. They have reasons to be enjoying what they're doing.

The same goes for FFXI; the people playing it now love it for a reason, and even the players who stopped loved it for other reasons, and not just because they were tricked into saying so.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

But really, my point was, the players aren't just mindless worshippers. They have reasons to be enjoying what they're doing.

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I think they are for the most part and SE knows that perfectly well. This doesn't only apply to SE players by the way.
Let's just agree to disagree I guess.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Except FFXIV is pretty much all about this. When you continue your "gear treadmill", you build up a collection of often awesome looking stuff that now serve a second purpose of making you look however you want, and awesome in the process. The further irony is it was FFXIV that used the term "glamours." It doesn't matter what gear you get so much as simply getting it. in FFXI there is a lot of content that doesn't get played because the rewards suck. in FFXIV that doesn't happen because even doing old content (via the roulette) can help you get new gear. Plus, as I said before, XI still has treadmills, they just work differently because of the progression style.

It works better for FFXIv because it didn't spend 7+ years frozen at the same level cap. If FFXI had not waited so long (or never did it at all, one or the other), it would have worked out better.
(1.0 XIV doesn't really count because most people didn't play it until ARR and 1.0 was almost a totally different game)

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Not quite. FFXIV Glamour system is a double edged sword. Inventory space is very limited. I got around this by having 16 retainers through 8 characters sharing a FC chest but still it's a problem for glamouring gear. The old content in FFXIV is a chore even when doing roulettes. I constantly hear people complain when they get stuff like Tam Tara for Leveling roulette that most just stop doing them. Gear also becomes obsolete way too fast. Next Patch oh my gear is obsolete gotta go do relic weapon or grind this new weekly gear drop. Next Patch? Repeat. Next Patch? Repeat. It just burns you out so fast.

It's the one thing I do like about FFXI alot more then FFXIV. I'm tired of farming JP. I'll go Salvage. Tired of that? I'll go Walk of Echoes. Tired of that? I'll go Dynamis. Tired of that? I'll go Abyssea. Tired of that? I'll go Campaign. Tired of that? I'll go VNM. Thanks to how solo friendly it is I have the choice to do majority of content by myself whenever I feel like and the content atleast to me feels different. This isn't the case in FFXIV. It's all Dungeons and Trials.


I was vastly let down when 3.0 is after the amazing story just a reskinned 2.0 (With Flying). The way FFXIV is I feel like if they keep the pattern going I'm more inclined to take monthly/yearly breaks and just come back in chunks to do storyline and pretty much instantly catch up on gear that's just below the current weekly capped tomes to try all the new dungeons/trials and then stop again and repeat at a later date.

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Not quite. FFXIV Glamour system is a double edged sword. Inventory space is very limited.

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idk. I've kept most of my main class gear and I still have a full retainer's worth of space left. However, I agree that they should come up with like a glamour log or something so you don't necessarily have to keep everything to glamour it (Although some items can be reobtained from the Calamity Salvager and some can be stored in teh armoire.

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It's all Dungeons and Trials.

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Or fates. Or hunts. Or sidequests. Or Crafting/gathering. Or Gold Saucer (best thing ever). Or PvP. Or Leves. Also, you're comparing the variet of content in a game that's going on 11 years old with one that's really been out for 2. So you're not really being fair here, but even then there's more variety than you imply. It's fair to say FFXI is vast- but it's not fair to complain about FFXIV being less so after a single expansion and a fraction of the time being released.

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I was vastly let down when 3.0 is after the amazing story just a reskinned 2.0 (With Flying).

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This is a pretty absurd comment. This is like saying Sea is just a reskinned Sky. It's not like FFXI isn't guilty of the same thing, lots of new "battle contents" that are basically the same as the ones before them, Most of the areas in Wings of the Goddess were recycled original areas... meeble burrows are like assaults are like maze mongers.... etc. Job points is the same thing as merits just restricted to job specific earning... Oversimplify a little more and you can make even more stuff "reskinned."

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

I think they are for the most part and SE knows that perfectly well.

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You think != they are. They aren't, so yeah, I'll agree to disagree with you, because you're wrong <3

*deep breath* Anyway... some people like it, some people don't. That's fine. It's not your duty to udnerstand why anyone likes either game. It's only your duty to accept that they do.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

idk. I've kept most of my main class gear and I still have a full retainer's worth of space left. However, I agree that they should come up with like a glamour log or something so you don't necessarily have to keep everything to glamour it (Although some items can be reobtained from the Calamity Salvager and some can be stored in teh armoire.


Or fates. Or hunts. Or sidequests. Or Crafting/gathering. Or Gold Saucer (best thing ever). Or PvP. Or Leves. Also, you're comparing the variet of content in a game that's going on 11 years old with one that's really been out for 2. So you're not really being fair here, but even then there's more variety than you imply.

This is a pretty absurd comment. This is like saying Sea is just a reskinned Sky. It's not like FFXI isn't guilty of the same thing, lots of new "battle contents" that are basically the same as the ones before them, Most of the areas in Wings of the Goddess were recycled original areas... meeble burrows are like assaults are like maze mongers.... etc. Job points is the same thing as merits just restricted to job specific earning... Oversimplify a little more and you can make even more stuff "reskinned."

You think != they are. They aren't, so yeah, I'll agree to disagree with you, because you're wrong <3

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I already stated that in terms of content it's not fair to compare one to another straight since XI has been around so much longer. WoTG zones are recycled but, it added new content in terms of campaign. Comparing Sea to Sky or Assaults/Meebles isn't the same as saying 2.0 is a reskinned 3.0 Atleast with XI your doing different content even if it plays similiar. Your not in XIV. Your doing your Weekly Roulette caps which all they do is funnel the dungeons to different catagories of roulettes. And after tome farming if you want to do anything else your doing FATES just to do FATES if your not leveling. Gathering to Gather. Craft to Craft. If XIV Heavensward patches until the next expansion only copy exactly what 2.0 to 3.0 did which is:
New Story Dungeons
HM Dungeons
New 24 Man Raid
Continuation of 8 man Raid
New Trials
More Tomes
Hunt Item updates
Treasure Map updates
Craft/Gathering updates

If pretty much that's all that 3.0 to 4.0 gives I prob wont stay with it because I will have little hope of ever getting any types of new contents other then the same recycle of every expansion.

We haven't even had the first major patch yet. The launch just sets the stage. When each of the XI expansions came out, you couldn't hardly do anything new off the bat either, just explore the new areas.
What FFXIV has done really isn't that different from what XI has done. What did we get in audolin? Some new battle contents most of which are similar to existing ones. Some new areas, most of which are pretty similar to existing ones. Updated versions of old BCNMs. Updated verisons of old mission fights. More NMs to kill. SoA is guilty of almost all the same things you're accusing Heavensward of.

FFXI and FFXIV both are recycling a lot of concepts. It's not fair to act like FFXI is a holy grail of originality and XIV the recycler of recycling. Both are guilty of the same things.

I'm not going to nitty nit pick anymore though (even though I could). We shall see what the future holds. There are several patches down the line all of which could (or could not, to be completely fair and unbiased) have new features.

FF14 does have some catchy music though. But then, there's youtube so...

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Originally Posted by detlef

FF14 does have some catchy music though. But then, there's youtube so...

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Game music is always better in the context of where it is used. I don't use youtube to listen to music, unless it's something I can't really find anywhere else. Of course lets be fair here, FFXI has some great music as well (More from Promathia and beyond than base/zilart though)

That Soken probably works harder than anyone else in the entire team. At least buy the soundtrack.