If they were to cap Abyssea to 75+...

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Originally Posted by Olor

Sorry if it came off as harsh, but I didn't know what your intentions were. I didn't mean to sound mean or anything but I didn't know if you were just gonna troll me or something.
That said I actually have a couple of great LSes and most of the issues that I talk about - I am not really advocating on my own behalf - but out of a love of the game.

Like gears - after I decided I was going to main BST my LS mates gave me a monster signa, bird whistle, corsette, two loyalty rings, and a few other goodies. So, for the most part I have had it really easy.

That said, I am highly cognizant that most noobs/rerollers are not going to have the same experience as me. I went to XI after the horrific failure called XIV burned me out. The people I am playing with now are people I met while prepping for release of XIV/through XIV.

So, I don't have much trouble with gears or exping - but I know if I was starting in the world alone and without a friend on the world - things would be demoralizingly tough.

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Now i see your point of view! And i respect where your coming from.

However, Everyone one of us Established players went through the exact same thing when we started. Back when I began the game, I lucked into an Earth Ore via Gardening, Which sold for 32k, and i thought i was RICH. I think it took me 3 weeks to farm enough gil for a Noct-gear set. I think i farmed 1k Quadav Backplates in Palborough Mines forever....

Its always been hard for new players, But its So much easier today than it used to be is all im trying to get across.

Everyone who has played FFXI, Short of a few people i guess who had friends in the begining, Went through the hardships of the "Newb" phase. Its what made us strong, We survived 5k/hr Crab parties, Farming for new gear, Etc etc. I think further dumbing down Exp simply because new players cant be assed to Farm gil for the items they want, Or anything like that, Isn't a solution, its Babying new players.

Just because The majority of us now are level 90+, Doesn't mean at some point in the game we didn't go through the Exact same things these new players do, Except back then< it was 10x Harder to do those things as Exp was slow and painful, and a lof of the current adjustments (Signet bonuses make farming easier, Treasure Hound also comes to mind) make even farming simpler.

I think new players just need to put in a little effort, And they will probably enjoy the game more. Farming is kinda rough, But its doable, So is finding a party. They just need to put forth a little effort.

Farming isn't even necessary, and it never was. I personally hate farming, but I love Gardening and HELM. Once you get to 20 Chocobo Digging opens up. Craftign is available from the get go, and is a perfect combination with Gardening and/or HELM (depending on which craft, which HELM and which seeds/crystals/pots of course).

And when I started, the most help that I could find online was the forums at GameFAQs (lol), and the very beginnings of Allakazham. Now there's many different websites chock full of data, and even websites specific to one aspect (Pikko's Pots, but I'm not sure if it's still up), Blue Magic Hunting Grounds. Hell, BG wasn't around back then.

Up hill in the snow both ways, etc etc, damn whippersnappers and so on and so forth. Without trying to sound like a grumpy old man, it's much easier today than it used to be, and people crying that it needs to be dumbed down and/or made easier than it already is just ridiculous, regardless if the person in question is actually new or not (advocating on their behalf and such).

With that out of the way, I wouldn't mind if they did something to make it easier, but it's not necessary in the slightest. Not only that, but it'd have to be well balanced in order to maintain some sort of challenge and drive to continue on (getting things handed to you doesn't usually make a person aspire to much).

I had always considered HELM and Chocobo digging a form of Farming :|

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I had always considered HELM and Chocobo digging a form of Farming :|

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Point of view and/or semantics, I suppose. But I always viewed farming as strictly going out and killing mobs for the drops, and is the context used in my post. But yeah, hate farming so much, always have.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

Point of view and/or semantics, I suppose. But I always viewed farming as strictly going out and killing mobs for the drops, and is the context used in my post. But yeah, hate farming so much, always have.

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Semantics indeed, I was only attempting to relay that Its HELM/Choco digging was also implied in my post :( that i hadn't forgotten it, I'm just used to lumping it in with "Farming" >.O.

Little fun fact, back when i was a noob I saw some taru being chased by a bunch of quadavs and tried to voke a few off him, He told me "I'm farming" and i thought he was literally Farming, like Agriculture, and the Quadavs were attacking him. So of course i still ended up fighting one.

I don't remember what happened after that, But i find it funny.

Hah, I remember doing that once or twice.

Yeah, I wish I could garden. I need to wait another two months before I can get more than 1 item from a pot though.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Yeah, I wish I could garden. I need to wait another two months before I can get more than 1 item from a pot though.

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I wholeheartedly agree that the new player restriction on Gardening should go. That's just stupid and ridiculous, especially since the Free Trial got axed (where most of the RMT abuse would come from). Also, I retract that part of my argument, as I'd forgotten about the restriction. The rest of my post still stands, however.

Yeah I started chocobo digging yesterday (but realistically that is not really a viable way to make money until I pour a lot into it) and I've done a bit of gathering - but honestly gathering sucks - I spent like an hour (with the wiki map of spawn points open) and only found 3 nodes...

>.>

and then I got some useless stuff that sells for crap. I am going to try logging next cause I think that has better drops and more spawns.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Yeah I started chocobo digging yesterday (but realistically that is not really a viable way to make money until I pour a lot into it) and I've done a bit of gathering - but honestly gathering sucks - I spent like an hour (with the wiki map of spawn points open) and only found 3 nodes...

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and then I got some useless stuff that sells for crap. I am going to try logging next cause I think that has better drops and more spawns.

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Personally I did HELM and Gardening more than anything, though if gardening is not acceptable, HELM is, there's plenty of places near starting areas for each part of HELM. Remember, buy the pickaxes, hatchets or whatever from an NPC.

I tried gathering (with a scythe thingy) near windy and it was terribad. I would have made 10X as much money just killing gobbies for onions. In fact I made $0... lol. So I would have made way more doing just about anything. I wanted to give it a try though.

I loved gardening before and would love to do it again (especially since I just started raising my choco regardless of not really having a ton of money to do it) I am just stuck. I even like fishing... but last time I tried I could only catch 10 fish (despite having an account more than a month old and being on a level 50+ job) - because the server downtime meant there was no conquest tallies... and fishing restrictions are timed by conquest tallies (bogus).

I am choco digging mostly cause I am crazy and I find it enjoyable and a stack of greens is only 500 gil - so whatever, I just sell a few rabbit steaks on my mule and I've paid for my daily limit.

I found a mythril beastcoin this morning, which go for about 1K on my server - so paid for two stacks of greens that way.

I agree that they should raise the cap, and honestly I question the foresight of those who made the decision to cap it so low.

However, as has been the case whenever things like this have happened in the past, nothing would/should be done to 'make it up' to those who 'missed out' on taking advantage of it.

seeing how abyssea was designed for players 75+ it would only make the game more like it was supposed to be. The old leveling way, especially with the xp increase, is fair enough from levels 1-75. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I have been considering quitting for good since Abbysea came out. I wanted to stay because a few friends were interested in the game now.