No, I want 3 rings at least.

I think 3 may be a bit much but 2 doesn't sound like a bad thing. For instance I am picking the fact cast ring but I would love to pick the craftsman ring since when I'm not playing I am crafting but not enough to pick that ring above all. Those 2 rings wouldn't make me anywhere near over powered if that was the fear behind letting the player base acquire 2.

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Originally Posted by Worldslost

I think 3 may be a bit much but 2 doesn't sound like a bad thing. For instance I am picking the fact cast ring but I would love to pick the craftsman ring since when I'm not playing I am crafting but not enough to pick that ring above all. Those 2 rings wouldn't make me anywhere near over powered if that was the fear behind letting the player base acquire 2.

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i don't think anyone thinks that someone would become OP with more than one ring (i could be wrong). the argument is that one should have to make a strategic choice instead of getting to have your cake and eat it too.

lol that's not having ur cake and eating it too. its just having more cake. more cake please!

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i don't think anyone thinks that someone would become OP with more than one ring (i could be wrong). the argument is that one should have to make a strategic choice instead of getting to have your cake and eat it too.

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Put me down for more cake. Once you pick the ring you want most (which isn't actually true, since there's a good chance you have to compromise what you really want and what benefits the most jobs), is the choice of a second ring no longer strategic?

Don't get me wrong if they give us more than 1 ring I will take it, I just don't think it's a big deal if we only get one.

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Originally Posted by Numquam

How about SE lets us buy them using real money!! I think it would be an excellent opportunity to raise some money for them. I would say $34.99 per ring and treat it as DLC stuff would be great!! Hell, they should make the last SoA chapter DLC honestly, but I think paying real money to get the other rings is reasonable. Like if you agree!

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I'm sorry, but not to be rude.... Are you out of your mind with this idea though? lol
35$ is "reasonable"? Not to mention suggesting the customers pay yet again for the same expansion service just to finish the storyline?
That's the most absurd idea I have ever heard in my entire life. We need a "Dislike" button just so things like this never come to pass.
We do not need to pay for an expansion more than once, ever. I rather not have anymore crazy ideas like this one. lol
Not everybody can wipe their nose with money and toss it into a waste basket like that.

On a second note, does anyone else feel that a crafting ring being thrown in with the bunch and then make players choose it or a ring that would benefit them in endgame content more?
Just put these rings into categories of 3: Mage, DPS, and Utility. Then pick one ring in each section. Surely that would satisfy people who want more rings just because there are x4 more options than
previous/older content rewards. Curious as to how this will turn out/be handled by SquareEnix. Was one of the most trollest things they've done in a while, lol.

Add twelve really great rings, watch the world fall into despair.

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That's not a typo. A typo is where you make a small grammar mistake because you hit the wrong key on a keyboard. You were just wrong. It's okay to admit. Nobody will judge you for being wrong. We all make mistakes. Where you will get judged is for trying to be a manipulative liar.

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Holy **** at continue to bash others for their mistakes. I openly admitted that I accidentally typed "every WS" when I meant a few WS. It's nothing but a typo with no other intention, and you should just let it go. Then you pushed it further and hinted something else....you know, guess who is the manipulative one?

Do you REALLY have to continue to start drama and personal attack others in this thread just because other people disagree with your opinion about the amount of rings you can have? Those rings are not even close to game changing, if you love to start drama so much perhaps you should focus on other topics that matters a lot more....such as payment issues or job balance.

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Put me down for more cake. Once you pick the ring you want most (which isn't actually true, since there's a good chance you have to compromise what you really want and what benefits the most jobs), is the choice of a second ring no longer strategic?

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Allowing the player to pick 2 rings is definitely strategic, but it's not as strategic as only picking 1.

Out of 12 rings, I only really want 3, if I can obtain 3 rings, then there's not much choice I need to make. Even picking 2 rings out of 12 is a fairly easy choice, but picking 1 ring out of 12 is a lot harder. I've been choosing mission rewards fairly easily in the past because in COP, DM and WoTG, the best choice are fairly obvious. Now it's finally a chance to make a real choice instead of "pick this or do it wrong" like DM, CoP or WoTG.

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You make some really great points.

One thing I would say is that the crafting ring is Uber. Its very very very nice. If you are serious about crafting, that is the ring for you.

Casual crafters can still do their crafting slowly without the ring, so should get a battle ring instead. If you are casual about something, say crafting, then you don't need Elite Gear for your crafting - you need casual gear for your crafting. If you want to be an elite crafter, get the elite crafting ring. It makes sense really.

The same applies to other rings. You don't need to be the pinnacle of elite uberness on every job, and even if you were, you wouldn't even need a fancy ring on every job because you're already uber on them. So just pick the ring for the job you consider your most shiny, the ring will give your shiniest job that little extra sparkle. Or if you consider your crafting to be your most precious FFXI activity, you would go with crafting ring.

The old saying "a jack of all trades, a master of none" is true in this case. It is better to excel at one thing, than to try to excel at everything and fail. Sure you can be good at everything, but if you want to be the absolute Top Cat in any field, you have to focus on that one field, and I think the 1/12 choice here reflects that.

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Well said -- couldn't agree more with this post.

I'd like the synthesis ring to be an automatic reward like the body and cuffs, and then get to pick a ring from the other 11. :)

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I openly admitted that I accidentally typed "every WS" when I meant a few WS. It's nothing but a typo with no other intention,

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Which still isn't a typo. You just didn't say what you meant. Again it's not my fault you people don't know what you're actually saying. Please check a dictionary.

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Those rings are not even close to game changing, if you love to start drama so much perhaps you should focus on other topics that matters a lot more....such as payment issues or job balance.

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I'm still enjoying this echo chamber, thanks and i've never had an issue with payment. If SE didn't want my money i'd just stop playing. Job balance is more or less a lost cause.

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The old saying "a jack of all trades, a master of none" is true in this case. It is better to excel at one thing, than to try to excel at everything and fail. Sure you can be good at everything, but if you want to be the absolute Top Cat in any field, you have to focus on that one field, and I think the 1/12 choice here reflects that.

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Untrue. FFXI is 12 years old. There is a huge community that have mastered multiple jobs. Just because you haven't mastered more than PUP doesn't mean nobody else has.

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Which still isn't a typo. You just didn't say what you meant. Again it's not my fault you people don't know what you're actually saying. Please check a dictionary.

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According to wiki:

A typographical error (often shortened to typo) is a mistake made in the typing process.


When I tried to type "few WS" in the previous discussion, I accidentally typed "every WS" instead, which I didn't notice until Dasva mentioned it. I'm not sure how is it not a typo because it was indeed a mistake made in the typing process. It's not like I typed the entire sentence wrong, I only made a mistake on the word "every" cuz I hit the wrong key.

Anyways, this discussion is completely irrelevant.

I like rakas idea of making mage, dps an utility, and picking 1 from each. then my crafts and mage and melee job will all benefit. weatherspoon will be stat king for a long time but we could get a refresh ring pretty soon I think. i don't want my melee jobs punished because the mage rings are to good.

From your same source, but nice try. Not saying what you mean to isn't a typo.

The term includes errors due to mechanical failure or slips of the hand or finger,[2] but excludes errors of ignorance

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From your same source, but nice try. Not saying what you mean to isn't a typo.

The term includes errors due to mechanical failure or slips of the hand or finger,[2] but excludes errors of ignorance

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I typed "every" instead of "few" was a mechanical failure of finger duh. Everyone and their mother knows TP bonus dmg boost doesn't apply to every WS, I don't use it for some of the WS myself as well, thus it's silly to insist that I made the mistake due to ignorance. You can continue to put words in my month and continue to personal attack just because I don't agree with your opinion.

So your finger slipped and typed out an entire other word ya? Your wilful ignorance is astonishing. I didn't put words in your mouth, everything is exactly as you've said it. You made an exaggerated claim, got called out on it and now you're saying "my finger slipped and I typed out an entirely different word". Which is exactly why I call you a manipulative liar.

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So your finger slipped and typed out an entire other word ya? Your wilful ignorance is astonishing. I didn't put words in your mouth, everything is exactly as you've said it. You made an exaggerated claim, got called out on it and now you're saying "my finger slipped and I typed out an entirely different word". Which is exactly why I call you a manipulative liar.

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That wasn't an exaggerated claim because:

1) I don't use moonshade for some of my WS myself as well, which you can check my own itemset on AH(and no I didn't ninja edit it after this discussion). If I do believe moonshade boosts every WS dmg I'd have use it myself. Thus it's not a mistake made out of ignorance.

2) Without the word "every" in that sentence, moonshade gives 1k dmg boost isn't "exaggerated claim" itself because it does apply to some WS. On darksday using my current leaden set(253 AGI+ 91 MAB), the dmg is 8267 with moonshade, without moonshade it's 7292 with the 2nd best option novio. You're welcome to point out if I made a mistake in the calculation though.

3) Based on the fact that I clearly don't believe moonshade bonus apply to every WS, and the fact that it does apply to some WS, I'm not sure how is it an "exaggerated claim and lying". I was trying to say that it does give 1k dmg boost to WS, but accidentally typed the word "every" before the word "WS". Nothing more and nothing less. It's not like I outright deny that I made the mistake as well, I admitted it. Now you're just using my own mistake and make a big fuss out of it so you can win this internet argument.

4) And yes I often finger slipped and typed out an entire different word, if you check my post history on this forum, I edited almost every single post, because I make typing mistakes very often. I just didn't notice that "every WS" before I hit submit.

5) Since you often visit AH.com, you should know that if I really made a mistake out of ignorance, I almost always just admit it. And no, I'm not interested in twisting game mechanics on purpose just so that I can choose 1 ring. I gain nothing from doing so. If anything it is you who's been twisting my intention so you can choose 3 rings.

6) You're right, everything is exactly as I've said it: I accidentally typed the word "every" when I tried to demonstrate moonshade dmg difference, and that's it. If anything it is YOU who's twisting other's intention and do personal insult, just because I made a mistake and typed that "every" in that sentence.

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Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for every WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that.

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Looks a lot like an exaggerated claim. It certainly isn't a typo. Its for sure incorrect.

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And yes I often finger slipped and typed out an entire other word

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It's obvious you don't even know what a slip of the finger is. Even if you accidently used one word you hadn't meant to, the syntax of your statement wouldn't have made sense. You must have made a typo with the entire statement.

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Looks a lot like an exaggerated claim. It certainly isn't a typo. Its for sure incorrect.



It's obvious you don't even know what a slip of the finger is. Even if you accidently used one word you hadn't meant to, the syntax of your statement wouldn't have made sense. You must have made a typo with the entire statement.

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If you delete that "every" in that sentence, then that sentence is correct. Moonshade does give 1k dmg boost to WS, just not every WS. I just show you the math, it's 1k dmg boost to leaden salute, none of the adoulin reward gives 1k dmg boost to your WS. Note that's without MDB- debuff, the gap should be bigger when your dmg gets 100% increase with MDB- debuff. When your WS has 4 FTP at 1000 TP and 6.7 at 2000 TP, Moonshade is just that strong, adoulin reward isn't even comparable....excluding snapshot ring maybe.

If you think my calculation is wrong, you or Dasva are free to point it out and start a math discussion. But don't outright call others "liar" before proving me wrong.(and even if you can prove me wrong, it doesn't mean I was "lying" either) If anything I feel you're just taking advantage of my own typo.

It was amusing at first but now it's getting annoying how your story changes every time you get backed into a corner.

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Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for every WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that.

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When I tried to type "few WS" in the previous discussion, I accidentally typed "every WS" instead

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Let me get this straight. You "tried" to type "few WS" but your fingers slipped (a typo) and you typed "every WS"? Your finger slipped 5 times typing a 3 letter word to keys no where near what you needed?
Yeah if only we start changing what you said, then you were right.

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Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for every WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that.

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That syntax in your original statement is correct.

But if we start removing and substituting words:

Now it reads

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Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that

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The syntax is still incorrect. Just like it is if it were to read

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Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for few WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that

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Proving that you typed exactly what you meant to.

Since you brought up XIAH, this is actually what you're known for there. And I quote.

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Well, I'm not going to argue with you, you're just annoying. And clearly didn't read what has been said up to that post.

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You have the same reputation there as you do here.

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Don't get me wrong if they give us more than 1 ring I will take it, I just don't think it's a big deal if we only get one.

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The first step toward receiving something is to request it. It doesn't hurt to ask.

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It was amusing at first but now it's getting annoying how your story changes every time you get backed into a corner.

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I'm not sure what you mean here, my story is the same entire time....I accidentally typed the word "every" and that's it.

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Let me get this straight. You "tried" to type "few WS" but your fingers slipped (a typo) and you typed "every WS"? Your finger slipped 5 times typing a 3 letter word to keys no where near what you needed?

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Yes I do that often, problem? It is still a typo.

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That syntax in your original statement is correct.

But if we start removing and substituting words:

Now it reads

The syntax is still incorrect. Just like it is if it were to read Proving that you typed exactly what you meant to.

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Why's above sentence incorrect? I don't get it. You're not me, how'd you know what I was thinking when I typed that word? Again you're just taking advantage of that typo so you can win this internet argument.

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You have the same reputation there as you do here.

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"doesn't read", ok. But my reputation there doesn't include twisting facts and lying though. You're the one who made that up and took advantage of it.

If I really meant "every WS" because I'm ignorant I'd just admit I was wrong to begin with, I admit I'm wrong about stuff on the forum all the time, it's not like it's hard. I don't have a reason to twist this fact because anyone can notice this error as ppl don't use it for every WS. If anything it is you who continue to take advantage over this because you want 3 rings that's why you kept doing personal attack.

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Fully agree!

cheers! SE I would like 2 -3 rings please! <<help me out>>

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It's like you're a liberal.

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I'm generally someone that does not want to spend too much time posting on any board so I just browse what people say for the most part, but I just wanted to say that I'm highly amused that the POL boards have suddenly become /pol/ instead.

Carry on.

We definitely understand that it’s difficult to choose one ring because each one of them have attractive stats on them, but the development team created the stats with the idea in mind that you can only possess one. There have also been some requests to add a system for exchanging rings, but at the moment we do not have any plans to add a system to exchange rings similar to the other reward rings from the past.

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The first step toward receiving something is to request it. It doesn't hurt to ask.

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I am going to quote this next time someone flames me for asking for something for a job I like

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I am going to quote this next time someone flames me for asking for something for a job I like

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Hey it never hurts to ask. Unless words hurt you, in which case yeah it sometimes hurts to ask.

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the development team created the stats with the idea in mind that you can only possess one.

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That doesn't make sense. You could have just stated "The development team created 12 rings with the idea in mind that you can only possess one" than that nonsense.

Either way, it's a real bummer that the team isn't able to agree to such a simple demand.

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Either way, it's a real bummer that the team isn't able to agree to such a simple demand.

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Another hint for you:

Request >>>>>> Demand.

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Another hint for you:

Request >>>>>> Demand.

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I tried thinking of another word, but "Demand" was the only one that came up at that moment. Thank you for correction.

why not jsut let us get speed move and synthesis ring by default then ppl can pick 3rd one????

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why not jsut let us get speed move and synthesis ring by default then ppl can pick 3rd one????

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Because then every lvl 99 character in the game who spent a week or so doing some CS and battles, would have automatic super-movement speed and automatic synthesis bonuses. In which case it would be the same as changing the core game to make everyone permanently run faster and synth better. Which would defeat the purpose of these being special powerful rewards for completing a Hero Storyline.

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We definitely understand that it’s difficult to choose one ring because each one of them have attractive stats on them, but the development team created the stats with the idea in mind that you can only possess one. There have also been some requests to add a system for exchanging rings, but at the moment we do not have any plans to add a system to exchange rings similar to the other reward rings from the past.

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This has just ensured that I will never complete the Adoulin story line.

I like to play Dancer. I get a lot of shit for playing Dancer. I have been told repeatedly by multiple people to "F off" when I try to get in to things. I have repeatedly been told that Dancer is "completely worthless" unless I have a Terpsichore, but then still to not expect anyone to want me for anything.

All I see in these rings is yet another "you are absolutely worthless and will not be picked for doing things" barrier. You play SAM but don't have the WS ring? Or play WHM but don't have the Cure Potency II ring? Might as well not play.

There are too many people in this game who refuse to take anyone unless they have the best of the best gear. All this does, in a time where players need to be more diversified in what roles they can fill, is ensure that you're going to be drastically behind everyone else in a specific role unless you pick a specific ring.

Combine this with the fact that only a couple of the rings are worth taking at all (everyone I have spoken to has said they will get Karieyh or Orvail), and why even give us a choice at all? There is no choice when the choice is between "this is the best" and "everything else isn't".

Letting us pick two of the 12 rings, and splitting them up into melee, mage, and utility, and only letting us have one of a specific category, would be infinitely better than this screwed up system that is currently in place. It would let people still have some measure of diversity and allow the players to make [B]meaningful[B] choices, because as it stands right now there really is no choice about it: some of the rings are clearly worthless and make absolutely no sense, and some of them are so obviously better you'd have to be extremely obstinate, stupid, or insanely devoted to another job to pick another ring.

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This has just ensured that I will never complete the Adoulin story line.

I like to play Dancer. I get a lot of shit for playing Dancer. I have been told repeatedly by multiple people to "F off" when I try to get in to things. I have repeatedly been told that Dancer is "completely worthless" unless I have a Terpsichore, but then still to not expect anyone to want me for anything.

All I see in these rings is yet another "you are absolutely worthless and will not be picked for doing things" barrier. You play SAM but don't have the WS ring? Or play WHM but don't have the Cure Potency II ring? Might as well not play.

There are too many people in this game who refuse to take anyone unless they have the best of the best gear. All this does, in a time where players need to be more diversified in what roles they can fill, is ensure that you're going to be drastically behind everyone else in a specific role unless you pick a specific ring.

Combine this with the fact that only a couple of the rings are worth taking at all (everyone I have spoken to has said they will get Karieyh or Orvail), and why even give us a choice at all? There is no choice when the choice is between "this is the best" and "everything else isn't".

Letting us pick two of the 12 rings, and splitting them up into melee, mage, and utility, and only letting us have one of a specific category, would be infinitely better than this screwed up system that is currently in place. It would let people still have some measure of diversity and allow the players to make [B]meaningful[B] choices, because as it stands right now there really is no choice about it: some of the rings are clearly worthless and make absolutely no sense, and some of them are so obviously better you'd have to be extremely obstinate, stupid, or insanely devoted to another job to pick another ring.

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You're over-exaggerating the importance of Karieyh. Some people pick Karieyh because they don't have RNG, COR or mage jobs, or they want to save $$ on HQ stat rings. AFAIK Karieyh doesn't make drastic difference over HQ stat rings to make a job unplayable without it. I haven't check every job/WS though, you're free to give different opinion about Karieyh.

I'm not exaggerating, or maybe you've never seen people refusing to take anyone but a 4 Song BRD for something, or refusing a MNK that doesn't have Oats.

People in this game can be absolutely retarded when it comes to "you must have the absolute best gear (that we think is best)".

Karieyh sucks, and anyone that would exclude someone for not picking that ring is terrible enough that you're better off without the invite.

I would assume Karieyh Ring is pretty nice for single-hit weapon skills, but yeah, if someone's barring you from joining because you're missing that ring out of all of the things you could be missing they probably don't know what they're doing.

I don't think think any of these rings are on the level of make-or-break your job items. That goes to things like Aegis or Annihilator probably.

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I'm not exaggerating, or maybe you've never seen people refusing to take anyone but a 4 Song BRD for something, or refusing a MNK that doesn't have Oats.

People in this game can be absolutely retarded when it comes to "you must have the absolute best gear (that we think is best)".

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1 extra song and 119 weapon(assuming the MNK doesn't have another ilv119 weapon) makes a bigger difference than WSD+3% ring though.

Don't think WSD+3% actually beats Ifrit +1 for Mnk (on VS), and prolly not even Rajas depending on where dDex falls, because if it's like all the other WSD items, the increased damage only applies on the first hit. I'm sure it's the best WS ring for Sam probably most of the time, perhaps Thf depending on WS? Though I suppose 5TP Regain is kinda nice for melee idle.

All this was discussed at length on ffxiah.

Personally I'm going with the Geo Skill + Refresh ring, refresh on the ring slot isn't make or break either, especially considering there's a lot of nice idle rings, but Geo Skill is kinda a huge deal, and Blu Skill 10 will probably afford you things like another Occultation shadow at times.