Down with Gear Swapping!

oh I agree blinking does suck, but I understand why blinking exists, and there for work around it with what SE has given me.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

All mages in the game would forever be stuck in Refresh Subligaria.

Subligaria.

Full-time.

Everywhere.

Think about that.

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Does this Subligar make my crotch look fat? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

work around it with what SE has given me.

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What a wonderful concept.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It was a light-hearted jab at a different signature on here. I would change it, but I don't have any awesome ideas for a new sig yet.

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i want ur sig where u get it from

Gear swaping is only a problem for people who are lazy...learn <stal> and live with, if you can't probably shouldn't be playing this, either way this is not "complain" worthy, it's almost as dumb as the "raise/lower the abyssea level caps" threads, i'm sorry but whining about gear swap is comeplety unesassary, good players will always do it, and it won't change or go away. it HAS to be done. i always use stal nor do i use any 3rd party programs to help with "blinking" issues, and i'v content and have no problems with it, it's not an issue at all IMO, you just need to learn how to work with it.

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Originally Posted by Detoxy

i want ur sig where u get it from

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Doublesbrian on BG, or "Phere" on these forums made the extended template and added my information in. It's pretty awesome.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Doublesbrian on BG, or "Phere" on these forums made the extended template and added my information in. It's pretty awesome.

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I think posting on BG is taboo for us users on this forum. Gonna have to consult "Phere"

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I don't even use the <stal> etc. macros (too lazy to change them) and I've never had too much of a problem with blinking. I just keep myself targeted and switch when I go to cast. Very rarely do I miss. This is a non-issue.

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I totally agree a non-issue... Is it annoying? Yes. Does it matter ? NO

The only time blinking is a problem is realy in ballista and brenner atm. The use of allaince commands or party heal macros or with targets name in it avoids this. In there it causes a unfair advantage of you losing your target. But that asside I would like to say macro swapping opens up the dynamics of this game you can get as complex as simple as you want on something. Wearing a universal outfit if you are lazy also works. Or get in as much depth with a character as you want ... Lets take mnk for example
A macro for haste tp build ~all your +store tp and haste gear
A macro for str gear swap for wpn skill
a macro for chakra including ~vit and af body etc
a macro for chi blast~ all mnd af relic and stuff to boost this
etc etc
each item you have that raises a specific job ability stacked with other gear is situationaly able to be swaped in for its effect. To remove the depth a player wants to get into a specfic job would ruin alot of my play. I personaly enjoy seeing what al I can add to where and get the most out of something I want to do. If you dont want to swap gear then just wear a universal gear selection that works for you. The dynamics of swaping in and or out stuff for every job has some pros . It's just ;lugging all the equipment around with you and the time you have to devote to collect stuff for it and make macros for that players dont like.

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

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Originally Posted by Jalserba_Darkwood

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

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That makes you a lazy (read: bad) rdm.

Btw do a spell check on your signature.


@Dale: First of all, brownie point to you for actually cross curing (or trying to) as pld. Second - Do you have a cure macro when on pld? Assuming you do - change the command in the macro to <stpt> or <stal>. If you don't have one, you should make one, using those commands.

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Originally Posted by Nidhogg

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu

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So let me get this right, assume everything you say about your accomplishments are accurate. My guess is you gear swapped prior to obtaining your gear and relics, so since YOU got what you needed SE should just screw everyone else over. Did I hear you right?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Btw do a spell check on your signature.

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thanks tamoa didnt notice that spell mistake eddited let me know if u see more ^^

i have never been good at spelling lol

I'm sorry but as bst I need to gear swap for reward charm and attack.
You can't expect me to charm a mob with out using an Apollo staff or light staff and you can't expect me to have reward in there 900hp rather than the 1.3k hp I can get.

Or sacrifice damage output.

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

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Originally Posted by Crawlerbasher

I'm sorry but as bst I need to gear swap for reward charm and attack.
You can't expect me to charm a mob with out using an Apollo staff or light staff and you can't expect me to have reward in there 900hp rather than the 1.3k hp I can get.

Or sacrifice damage output.

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

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You have my vote on this Crawlerbasher, Good job! ^^b

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

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Originally Posted by Jalserba_Darkwood

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

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SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

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Originally Posted by Kwate

So let me get this right, assume everything you say about your accomplishments are accurate. My guess is you gear swapped prior to obtaining your gear and relics, so since YOU got what you needed SE should just screw everyone else over. Did I hear you right?

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Yes, I believe you did. The most interesting, and telling, part of his post (to me anyways) was:

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Originally Posted by Nidhogg

and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

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Originally Posted by Eeek

SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

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im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

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Yep. I have all my cure macs set as just <stal>. I love it!

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Originally Posted by Eeek

SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

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Wow thank you!!! I didn't know about that one. I knew about stpt but not stal.

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

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Why would you do that? Can you quickly target your party members with <stal>?

It's actually an honest question! I don't know the answer since I'm quick enough to type-cast most of my spells.

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Originally Posted by Jalserba_Darkwood

thanks tamoa didnt notice that spell mistake eddited let me know if u see more ^^

i have never been good at spelling lol

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Forget the past. Ignore the future. Enjoy the present. still incorrect :|. we dont really need to rid of gear swapping, why is this thread still up?

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

First off, I found you? I dont even know who you are -.- and second, this was my macro setup before <stpt>, and what is wrong with 6 cure macros, I can tell you that as a healer I could get cures out as fast as possible with that setup.



what junk are you talking about, having a cure macro places nothing into the chat window, unless your adding some stupid /p message or emote line

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yeah ok, go on pretending that :)

And gear-swapping macros floods your battle log with spam. Especially if you do it a lot and change a lot of gear at once. Just try it and you will see ^^

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Originally Posted by Valefor4life

They're one of those people who don't know how to use chat filter and always wonder why they miss in a stun order because they didn't see the monster ready a JA. And everyone says wtf yo how you miss that your stun timer was up.

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Oh really?

Is there a way to filter out the Equipment Change message? I would love to hear this :)

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Originally Posted by Morgantisthedon

The only time blinking is a problem is realy in ballista and brenner atm. The use of allaince commands or party heal macros or with targets name in it avoids this. In there it causes a unfair advantage of you losing your target. But that asside I would like to say macro swapping opens up the dynamics of this game you can get as complex as simple as you want on something. Wearing a universal outfit if you are lazy also works. Or get in as much depth with a character as you want ... Lets take mnk for example
A macro for haste tp build ~all your +store tp and haste gear
A macro for str gear swap for wpn skill
a macro for chakra including ~vit and af body etc
a macro for chi blast~ all mnd af relic and stuff to boost this
etc etc
each item you have that raises a specific job ability stacked with other gear is situationaly able to be swaped in for its effect. To remove the depth a player wants to get into a specfic job would ruin alot of my play. I personaly enjoy seeing what al I can add to where and get the most out of something I want to do. If you dont want to swap gear then just wear a universal gear selection that works for you. The dynamics of swaping in and or out stuff for every job has some pros . It's just ;lugging all the equipment around with you and the time you have to devote to collect stuff for it and make macros for that players dont like.

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I agree it adds to the depth of game-play Morgan. But it's a clunky system that needs refinement.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Oh really?

Is there a way to filter out the Equipment Change message? I would love to hear this :)

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there is, but the method of doing so is considered illegal by SE.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

there is, but the method of doing so is considered illegal by SE.

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Ah i see, so I'm getting talked down for not knowing how to illegally tamper with the game. Nice.

For Valefor's sake I hope the moderators are not reading this thread today. I would hate to see his account get banned :)

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Originally Posted by Eeek

Why would you do that? Can you quickly target your party members with <stal>?

It's actually an honest question! I don't know the answer since I'm quick enough to type-cast most of my spells.

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Yep.. It's the same as normal - F1, F2, F3 etc selects the people specifically in your party i believe.. (correct me if I am wrong on this one). As for alliance - you can't help that one unfortunately. (Unless someone else knows another way?)

But in my opinion it is just as fast to quickly scroll up or down on the person you need to heal from the party list... Truly doesnt take that long - Most of the time you will only have to cure your own party but <stal> lets you target ally members from the list as well..

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Originally Posted by Dale

Ah i see, so I'm getting talked down for not knowing how to illegally tamper with the game. Nice.

For Valefor's sake I hope the moderators are not reading this thread today. I would hate to see his account get banned :)

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I don't know if you were really getting talked down to. It's more of a jab at SE for not implementing something that some 3rd party has been able to figure out, but for some reason SE hasn't. Clearly SE values your ability to filter superfluous messages from your chat log. This just happens to be one case where they haven't.

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Originally Posted by Alderin

Yep.. It's the same as normal - F1, F2, F3 etc selects the people specifically in your party i believe.. (correct me if I am wrong on this one). As for alliance - you can't help that one unfortunately. (Unless someone else knows another way?)

But in my opinion it is just as fast to quickly scroll up or down on the person you need to heal from the party list... Truly doesnt take that long - Most of the time you will only have to cure your own party but <stal> lets you target ally members from the list as well..

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Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

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I believe it's more the default is set to whoever you have targeted, like stpc. You can target someone, then hit the stpt macro, and the cursor will be on them. Or you can just hit the stpt macro and scroll up/down the party list from whoever you had targeted to the person you want to cure. I don't use them either, personally, but I'm quick with my function keys and I've never had an issue with target loss, despite working with some Christmas Tree Plds/DDs over the years. I still highly recommend stpt/stal.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I believe it's more the default is set to whoever you have targeted, like stpc. You can target someone, then hit the stpt macro, and the cursor will be on them. Or you can just hit the stpt macro and scroll up/down the party list from whoever you had targeted to the person you want to cure. I don't use them either, personally, but I'm quick with my function keys and I've never had an issue with target loss, despite working with some Christmas Tree Plds/DDs over the years. I still highly recommend stpt/stal.

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I use other ways of coping with gear swapping. And the scrolling up and down has always been available with compact keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

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If you have <stal> or <stpt> in a macro, you do not need a current target selected. Using either in a macro allows you to select a character via the party list on the right side of the screen using Up/Down and does not move your target cursor. Whereas the <stpc> and <stnpc> commands require you to tab around to find your target.

Thanks for the answers. I'll fiddle with <stal> after the servers come up. It'll give me something to do while I AFK directly on top of Joachim.

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Originally Posted by Bigboy

I don't know if you were really getting talked down to. It's more of a jab at SE for not implementing something that some 3rd party has been able to figure out, but for some reason SE hasn't. Clearly SE values your ability to filter superfluous messages from your chat log. This just happens to be one case where they haven't.

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No trust me, i was getting talked down. I was being compared to someone who was too stupid to use chat filters so he could stun effectively or something.... it was deffinitely a condescending retort at my expense lol

Not to say i'm never a worthy target for such a comment, but in this instance - considering i would have to resort to illegal activity and risk being banned, i think it was an unfair jab :)

The only good thing about this thread is the whms that learned about a new way to heal. That being said everyone who actually replied to this thread with a serious intent to voice there opinion is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Cyx

The only good thing about this thread is the whms that learned about a new way to heal. That being said everyone who actually replied to this thread with a serious intent to voice there opinion is an idiot.

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So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

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Originally Posted by Phoenyx

If you have <stal> or <stpt> in a macro, you do not need a current target selected. Using either in a macro allows you to select a character via the party list on the right side of the screen using Up/Down and does not move your target cursor. Whereas the <stpc> and <stnpc> commands require you to tab around to find your target.

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You can still scroll up and down with <stpc>. You need to set certain keys in compact keyboard mode though. It's what I used. I tried both and I actually prefer <stpc>. Like I said though, I have ways of coping with gear swapping.

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Originally Posted by Dale

So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

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He said serious intent. Anyone who came in to talk down about gear swapping, or to try and defend gear swapping in a serious manner got wooshed really really hard by the OP.

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Originally Posted by Dale

So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

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I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.