Summonable avatars - List which ones you want to see implemented

I like the moogle for a avatar lol and it could allow access to mh or something for everyone in pt so when you need to change jobs and not lose all your lights

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Originally Posted by finalcure

I like the moogle for a avatar lol and it could allow access to mh or something for everyone in pt so when you need to change jobs and not lose all your lights

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What happens if nobody shows up to an Abyssea party as a SMN?

You guys are listing summons that are impossible to summon in a FFXI setting. (Sorry for being a troll just being realistic XD.)

Eden from FF8

Summon a party member to your side? Wait, a party member is not an avatar.....

Oh wait, in boarder sense, all player characters are avatar of the player......

Because a Light-based avatar would be so handy:
-Madeen

Because we'll never get anything that isn't already inthe data files though:
-Cait Sith.

And why not? she's an avatar. And think how much fun she could be. She could be like the Corsair of avatars with random gambley effects.

And she would be the best thing in the world to idle with.

Many suggestions I have read, are impossible, or have already been implemented into the game. Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline), Atmos is a no (hes the maw entrances), Cait Sith is main character in story line.

I do however like the sound of summonable FAT CHOCOBO! :D... a 2hour summon, cast it off, and all you see is a shadow.. then BOOM!!! Dmg: x2 Smn MP, additional effect: Bind/terror. x) would be funny thats all.. and to obtain it you could do a quest through chocobo raising! :D (via story book or something)

Phoenix!!
Some type of dragon avatar I doubt we'll get bahamut but maybe we can get one of his smaller cousins :p
Moomba- Because it's way cuter than carby!
Quetzicotyl
Seraph – If Phoenix is a 2hr only summon a better healing/light summon would be good.

While I would like to see some of my favourite summons like Phoenix & a Bahamut-like avatar return one of the things I always looked forward to most when a new FF came out was seeing what new summons they'd come up with. So not past FF summons but other mythological figures that might make interesting avatars could be:

Thoth - Ibis headed Egyptian God of wisdom, magic & healing. Might have some healing spells & heavy magic attacks. Egyptian mythology is extremely rich & I think has been over looked in FF so far (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

Medusa - Beautiful Greek woman turned snake haired monster by Hera's jealousy. Her gaze turned men to stone. Could have petrify & other abilities. Or even better
Gorgons- There were 3 sisters of which Medusa was one, each could have their own abilities similar to the Magus Sisters. I doubt we'll get a summon with more than 1 avatar though they could make it random or based on specific conditions as to which sister appeared when you cast the summon but that might be to much work idk.

Kali- Hindu Goddess of destruction. Major physical BPs

Apollo- Greek God of the sun, healing & the arts also an expert archer. Could have some light based attacks, cures & ranged physical attacks.

Hecate- Greek Lunar Goddess with many aspects. It might be interesting to make her effected by moon phase like Fenrir but to a larger extream. For example during a waxing moon she could spawn as her maiden aspect with an emphasis on light abilities & buffing, during a full moon she could spawn in her mother aspect & have strong magic damage abilities & cures, while during a waning moon she could spawn in her crone aspect with an emphasis on dark based abilities & enfeebling effects.

Cernunnos or Pan- Celtic & Greek Gods of the forests & wild things. Could have a terror attack as well as abilities to heal/ strengthen other pets. This type of avatar would be amazing for SMN or pet burns.

Just the first few that came to mind. Would be cool to see some new FFXI exclusive avatars.

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Originally Posted by Yokoh

Many suggestions I have read, are impossible, or have already been implemented into the game. Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline), Atmos is a no (hes the maw entrances), Cait Sith is main character in story line.

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Carbuncle, Fenrir, Alexander & Odin (am I forgetting any?) are all main characters in story lines yet are summonable. SE are clever people they could create an opportunity in a storyline to summon anything & if they can't think of anything clever they can do it anyway without a sensible storyline explanation that's been done plenty to lol.

EDIT: Diabolos is also a story line NPC that is summonable.

;) fair enough. But pheonix is definitely out of the picture, because of what happened during the story that's all.. (i dont want to explain fully coz it would be huge game spoiler for those that havnt got far in mission lines)

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Originally Posted by Strife

Thoth - Ibis headed Egyptian God of wisdom, magic & healing. Might have some healing spells & heavy magic attacks. Egyptian mythology is extremely rich & I think has been over looked in FF so far (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

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Actually Batallia Downs and the Eldieme Necropolis shows that they know a fair bit about Egyptian Mythology. The birds, "Ba", live in Batallia Downs and is a reference to the soul of the dead. The shadows, "Ka", are in the Eldieme Necropolis is a reference to the animating force of the body. In the ancient Egyptian Myths, the two are separated at death. It is a fairly esoteric and sly demonstration of a depth of knowledge. The only problem is that there are Bas in Batallia Downs [S], but no Kas in the Eldieme Necropolis [S].

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Originally Posted by Yokoh

;) fair enough. But pheonix is definitely out of the picture, because of what happened during the story that's all.. (i dont want to explain fully coz it would be huge game spoiler for those that havnt got far in mission lines)

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If I had access to spoiler tags, I could explain how they could easily allow Phoenix to be a summon despite of his status in the story line. But it has to do with Bennu (who is considered the prototype for the Phoenix mythology) and his special status in Egyptian Mythology. In fact, I have often wondered if that is why things turned out they way they did for Phoenix considering the depth of knowledge they demonstrated in the example that I posed above.

they should give us eden/zodiark as a 2 hour smn and then give us promathia and altana as reg. summons :o

I'd like to see something that doesn't require Astral Flow.

Why not include Avatars with long recast times or other limitations instead? Change the utilization up a bit.

Bahamut, 5 min. recast.
Bahamut has powerful BP's, but does not melee. Flare attacks could be heavily based on range (it will never engage, and the SMN can use this along with some skill to adjust Bahamut's range to the optimal distance).
AF would let you use Mega Flare.

Phoenix, 15 min. recast.
Relatively weak, mostly used as a safety net or a placeholder (like a rebirth) for next summon. You can summon Phoenix while another avatar is out, but once summoned the other avatar will disappear- you would not have two avatars at a time. Phoenix would have no BP's and weak melee, but instinctively casts Raise (scaling with level) on anyone within the player's alliance (within a large radius).
Phoenix has an inherent trait that allows it to remain active for 20 seconds after the SMN is defeated. Within that time (if it is not defeated), Phoenix may cast Raise on the SMN (within a large radius).
AF could grant a "Rebirth" AoE effect on party (not alliance) that does not leave the targets weakened- Phoenix disintegrates, leaving a single feather that falls to the ground and revives the party. AF effect ends after one use.

I was talking more about overlooked in terms of summons. There are summons from Sumerian, Islamic, Medieval Christian, Greek, Celtic, Norse, Hindu, Aztec and other mythologies but as far as I can recall not ancient Egyptian which surprises me since there's so much fodder, they had Gods up the wazoo!

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Originally Posted by Septimus

If I had access to spoiler tags, I could explain how they could easily allow Phoenix to be a summon despite of his status in the story line. But it has to do with Bennu (who is considered the prototype for the Phoenix mythology) and his special status in Egyptian Mythology. In fact, I have often wondered if that is why things turned out they way they did for Phoenix considering the depth of knowledge they demonstrated in the example that I posed above.

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It would be funny to have Bennu as a summon that sometimes comes instead of Phoenix & rains bananas down on the enemy.

CoP SPOILERS follow in white text, highlight it to read it.

I doubt it for one I just read back over ALL the CoP script that referenced Phoenix & yes Phoenix died early on but it was still alive enough to resurrect Selh' teus & unless there's a CS with no dialogue that shows Phoenix & Selh' teus merging (it's been a long time since I did CoP so I don't remember) like a lot of people seem to think I can't find anything in the dialogue that says that. Here is the only text I found regarding Phoenix & Selh' teus from “A Fate Decided”

Prishe: Phoenix...
Phoenix was with you, right?
She brought you back to life.

Just because Phoenix the bird of resurrection brought him back to life doesn't mean they merged & Prishe says “was” with him as in past tense not is within him. I know at this point Sel starts sporting some pretty rockin wings but that’s a typical motif for FF. A character undergoes some big transformation (like dying & being resurrected) & comes out with a pair of wings denoting its status as being in a more powerful form. Anyway I don't think it matters what happens in one story line it's not hard to come up with a work around & Phoenix being an avatar of rebirth makes it that much easier. People often cite CoP as a reason Phoenix is “gone forever & can never come back” but I don't see it.

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Originally Posted by Strife

I was talking more about overlooked in terms of summons. There are summons from Sumerian, Islamic, Medieval Christian, Greek, Celtic, Norse, Hindu, Aztec and other mythologies but as far as I can recall not ancient Egyptian which surprises me since there's so much fodder, they had Gods up the wazoo!



It would be funny to have Bennu as a summon that sometimes comes instead of Phoenix & rains bananas down on the enemy.

CoP SPOILERS follow in white text, highlight it to read it.

I doubt it for one I just read back over ALL the CoP script that referenced Phoenix & yes Phoenix died early on but it was still alive enough to resurrect Selh' teus & unless there's a CS with no dialogue that shows Phoenix & Selh' teus merging (it's been a long time since I did CoP so I don't remember) like a lot of people seem to think I can't find anything in the dialogue that says that. Here is the only text I found regarding Phoenix & Selh' teus from “A Fate Decided”

Prishe: Phoenix...
Phoenix was with you, right?
She brought you back to life.

Just because Phoenix the bird of resurrection brought him back to life doesn't mean they merged & Prishe says “was” with him as in past tense not is within him. I know at this point Sel starts sporting some pretty rockin wings but that’s a typical motif for FF. A character undergoes some big transformation (like dying & being resurrected) & comes out with a pair of wings denoting its status as being in a more powerful form. Anyway I don't think it matters what happens in one story line it's not hard to come up with a work around & Phoenix being an avatar of rebirth makes it that much easier. People often cite CoP as a reason Phoenix is “gone forever & can never come back” but I don't see it.

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It would be interesting for Square to throw some summoning love to the Egyptian Mythology, but they obviously do know a fair amount about it if they can throw in something as little-known as the Ba and Ka thing.

Anyway, I guess I could do the white text thing for a highlight to cover spoilers.

Bennu is the Ba (soul) of Amun-Ra. (Or Ra-Atum or the many other name combinations. Also, sometimes Horus, but I think that was in New Kingdom mythology.) Anyway, after Tenzen unleashed the Phoenix flame onto Bahamut, Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix to keep Phoenix from returning to the Mother Crystals. That is why Selh'teus later showed up with wings and a fancy an avatar glow. (Avatar glows were actually added in that update for this purpose I believe. Oh, and this is also why Promathia upgraded to Shiryu after he ate Selh'teus in Abyssea.) Anyway, the whole thing with Selh'teus and Phoenix is very comparable to Amun-Ra and Bennu to the point that I believe that it was completely intentional. I believe that we could get the whisper from a fight with Selh'teus, and that will allow you to summon Phoenix's true form from him. (Whisper of Rebirth? Whisper of Ascension? Whisper of Imperishably? Although that last one might only be reserved for "Ford-tough shields of forever and ever"...)

At least this is how I see the whole situation through a casual knowledge of Egyptian Mythology.

And the Banana thing is kind of funny. Although I would imagine that casting "Stop" on all enemies in addition to light-based damage would be more appropriate if Bennu showed up instead of Phoenix. Which could be an interesting mechanic.

CoP spoilers below in white highlight to read.

Do you remember when in the CoP story line Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix? When I read over the mission dialogue for the fight with Bahamut where Phoenix is released it basically just says "Ru roe Bahamat's about to use megaflare everyone bend over & kiss you ass goodbye!". Then "Holy rarab balls we're alive! Phoenix must've released all her power & shielded us from Bahamut's attack. QQ now she's gone."

The only other reference I saw regarding Phoenix's whereabouts/ status after that was the quote in my earlier post after Selh'teus came back Prishe saying Phoenix was with him & revived him. Like I said though it's a long time since I did CoP so if there's a suggestive CS with no dialogue I've probably forgotten about it.

More spoilers abound!

After Tenzen released Phoenix from his sword to stop everyone from being killed by Bahamut, the next scene was Selh'teus by the Al'Taieu Mothercrystal where he was speaking to Phoenix's disembodied form, the "shower o' feathers" and opens up the emptiness for Phoenix. (His exact words were "Let me release you for your journey to the mothercrystal...") When Selh'teus shows up in the cutscene for A Fate Decided he now flies, sports an avatar glow (which was added specifically in that patch), big-honking wings, and a very familiar "shower o' feathers" every time he appeared and disappeared. (Which looked like he was summoned and de-summoned.) You might be thinking "But Selh'teus said that he was sending Phoenix to the mothercystal", but the effect that Selh'teus used was the same effect that Promathia used when he absorbed Nag'molada. In the When Angels Fall cutscene, Nag'molada is ranting mad to (a dead) Yve'noile and says something along the lines of "Why am imperfect when the betrayer (Selh'teus) has ascended."

So, while not stated explicitly, we are left to infer that Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix, and we have a situation very similar Atum-Ra and Bennu.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

I'd like to see something that doesn't require Astral Flow.

Why not include Avatars with long recast times or other limitations instead? Change the utilization up a bit.

Bahamut, 5 min. recast.
Bahamut has powerful BP's, but does not melee. Flare attacks could be heavily based on range (it will never engage, and the SMN can use this along with some skill to adjust Bahamut's range to the optimal distance).
AF would let you use Mega Flare.

Phoenix, 15 min. recast.
Relatively weak, mostly used as a safety net or a placeholder (like a rebirth) for next summon. You can summon Phoenix while another avatar is out, but once summoned the other avatar will disappear- you would not have two avatars at a time. Phoenix would have no BP's and weak melee, but instinctively casts Raise (scaling with level) on anyone within the player's alliance (within a large radius).
Phoenix has an inherent trait that allows it to remain active for 20 seconds after the SMN is defeated. Within that time (if it is not defeated), Phoenix may cast Raise on the SMN (within a large radius).
AF could grant a "Rebirth" AoE effect on party (not alliance) that does not leave the targets weakened- Phoenix disintegrates, leaving a single feather that falls to the ground and revives the party. AF effect ends after one use.

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I really like this, I'd like to see Bahamut get his hands a bit more dirty instead of two avatars not being able to melee.

I'd rather see Phoenix sit back and cast stuff at range.

Also I think most summoners want to be a bit more involved in whats going on instead of turning back and sitting and letting the avatar do its own actions, would be rather boring.

I think Selzak has made one of the only viable suggestions in this thread. It's hard to make a serious comment here; half of the people are just saying "Wouldn't it be cool if...?" and the other half are really bucking for new avatars from other games, etc. Like someone else said, I hate to troll but - GUYS - there will not be any new, controllable avatars. There just isn't space for them to animate something new with all of its BPs. Selzak's suggestion has two advantages: it's a novel mechanic and it's actually realistic. Anything we get will be what's already in the game, and more than likely will follow in the same vein as Odin and Alexander.

There's really no reason NOT to get Bahamut. His importance to a storyline is no moreso than our new 2hr toys. All of his abilities and animations are in place. If SE wants to maintain his status as being above the other avatars, just make him another 2hr. He can be scaled to be no more obnoxious than Diabolos (which is a dumb complaint, but there it is). And why not be able to summon a cavernous maw? Just because they're fixtures in the world doesn't mean we can't make another one appear (see also: elementals and avatar-clone Abyssea NMs). Maybe Atomos could be used to teleport party members to different cities, past and present. Why not? It would just be another teleporter NPC, and a player-contributed transport option like that is years overdue in this game.

Yeah, a lot of you have had a lot of really interesting big ideas... But in the spirit of posting constructive things on the official FFXI forums that I actually would want SE to consider seriously, I'm giving Selzak a thumbs-up. If they ever drop PS2 support, then we can start aiming high with new ideas.

i just want phoenix. when they made WotG, i was extremely hopeful that phoenix would not be dead yet in the past, and we could gain her as a summon. unfortunately i only think we'll get atomos if anything. was kind of hopeful for slyph too though. i always liked whispering wind (the slyph version, not the garuda version). at first, the addition of pixies had me thinking we might get her, but it's probably not gonna happen. would be neat though. could have 3 pixies, each with their own separate HP pool. even if they were only 1/3 as much HP as a normal avatar, that would make 1-shotting them impossible without a strong AoE. might be nice for kiting/soloing strong mobs.

Phoenix ^^ and its 2 hour will be a raise-ga ^^

People who argue against Phoenix because of CoP Story only need look at Abyssea Story Line to see how wrong they are, They made an alternate reality where Promathia Absorbed Selh'teus and the Phoenix. It's a game... Storylines can be changed, expanded or added to. The Phoenix could be added if they really wanted to.

Gimme the ones that are in the game already but aren't summonable (this should make it easy on the programmers).

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Originally Posted by Radio

Gimme the ones that are in the game already but aren't summonable (this should make it easy on the programmers).

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Considering Odin/Alexander where in the game for a long time....then took them forever to actually give them to us....image how long it would take if they gave us a brand new avatar...10 years maybe?

Atomos is a reasonably possible candidate.

I just want to see Chocobo.

and maybe Phoenix.

I'd like to see Ixion as a new Avatar, but honestly doubt there will be any new additions as far as Avatars go.

The only thing Square Enix will add if they decide to add another Avatar would be Darkness based and/or another Light based Avatar.

Ixion would be simple to add still though as it's not too big, and the abilities/graphics are already designed.

I want Pedo-Bear as a summon.

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Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung

I want Pedo-Bear as a summon.

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You sir, have my full support, would you like some free candy? I've got some in my windowless van.

I miss Phoenix. If the COP story line is a problem, they should just write a quest that explains how Phoenix is able to be a Summon.

Really, I'd like to see a real pet we can summon at any time, not some gimmicky trick we can pull of once every two hours.

I'd like to see phoenix, and please SE, i want a story attached and a quest too and not some silly magian trail i want a full blown quest to go with to include returning npcs and certain cop level requirements. That said, this new avatar's ability would be similiar to odin/alex in where it uses the smn's 2hr ability, can only be used by smn 75+, and gives all party memebers full mp (except the smn of course), not hp because that would be unfair to whm's 2hr, and gives everyone rr3 effect just like if they casted the whm spell on themselves. thx for reading.

might have been mentioned b4 but had an idea that phoenix could be like alex and odin but instead of being a 2HR deal just make it a say... 5 min recast/high mp cost and it would just come out long enough to cast Full raisega/curega and then release itself (thinkin in terms of FFTA version) atleast it would be semi useful, make smn a lil more wanted ect.

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Originally Posted by Yokoh

Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline),

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Well yeah but Phoenix is only Mostly Dead. Gee I wonder what that chasm at the top of Parradamo Tor is called? oh right The Cradle of Rebirth. Gather all of Phoenix's remnants, Throw them in the Cradle of rebirth, fight him to prove worthy, and you have yourself a new avatar that deals with fire and resurrection magic.

I would love to see Siren put in as a summon. I was always really fond of this avatar.

so..... i found out my prior comment wasnt liked very well >.> a tiny smn started arguing w/ me ingame... and made some rather funny comments to me... so fair warning! watch what u post! cause if pple hate it they may find u ingame! D: pple can get so childish over a game i swear...

PS, dont worry DC im just pissed atm^^

how come this thread don't have one crowns yet

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Originally Posted by Divinechild

how come this thread don't have one crowns yet

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They don't reply to job threads. They just secretly read them and toss they away like low business job application when somebody fills one out.:rolleyes:

There's a bunch of avatars I'd love to see, but Bahamut & Phoenix would be just fine since they are the last two remaining that have been introduced to us in-game yet remain inaccessible as summons.

I suspect they'd both once again be Astral-Flow only summons like Odin & Alexander due to their power (or in Phoenix's case, her much weakened status).

But would Rebirth Flame be too strong? Keeping in line with past FF titles, it would be an AoE fire attack (making Ifrit nearly pointless) that also heals the party and fully revives everyone in range without weakness (since like Alex & Odin, it'd be a 1-shot deal). That seems rather hard to do mechanically though since you have to take into account the distance of the targets etc.


As for Bahamut, the only thing I ask is they change Gigaflare back from Fire to non-elemental and ignore magic defense entirely like it has in the past games. Summoner doesn't need just another big 1-shot attack unless it's extremely damaging and can't be resisted, which has typically been the point of calling Bahamut in previous games.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

They don't reply to job threads. They just secretly read them and toss they away like low business job application when somebody fills one out.:rolleyes:

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The "Change your wyvern color!" Thread in the dragoon section has a gold crown and so does the " Corsair’s Phantom Roll Ability" in the cor section

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Originally Posted by Divinechild

The "Change your wyvern color!" Thread in the dragoon section has a gold crown and so does the " Corsair’s Phantom Roll Ability" in the cor section

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You got me *ahhhhh*

Ya I forgot about those only two...haha:cool:

but come on now....just those two? A little help SE?

Well if that's the case then I'm gonna make a tread asking for avatar emotes. I'm sure its been asked before.