BST nerf please

Did a BST outclaim your PLD at Tiamat or why this ragethread? 0.o

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Completely agree with this. I'm tired of having to wait 10 mins for crappy BST who think they can solo things to wipe to something they can't. Like Bennu for example, watched a BST solo it all the way down to 5% even though he was terrible...oh well got free stuff in the end when he died.

Also BST should NOT be able to solo stuff such as Behemoth, Fafnir, Adaman, Vrtra...just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Completely agree with this. I'm tired of having to wait 10 mins for crappy BST who think they can solo things to wipe to something they can't. Like Bennu for example, watched a BST solo it all the way down to 5% even though he was terrible...oh well got free stuff in the end when he died.

Also BST should NOT be able to solo stuff such as Behemoth, Fafnir, Adaman, Vrtra...just doesn't make sense.

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Yes, Its much better to watch a dancer solo it for 10 minutes and not wipe. That way you waste time watching them and get nothing for it ;)

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Originally Posted by Camiie

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The truth.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Yes, Its much better to watch a dancer solo it for 10 minutes and not wipe. That way you waste time watching them and get nothing for it ;)

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DNC needs a nerf then too

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Originally Posted by Habu

DNC needs a nerf then too

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and ninja too is suppose. Those jobs are crazy powerful. They hog all the spots at every event. Shitting all over all the wars / sams / monks. It's terrible.

I'm tired of every VW shout saying "beast dancer ninja(can I have it?) naked is okay. 2 handers (no thanks)!!

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I don't like BST. I leveled it solo to 27 years back, I didn't like it. I soloed it to 40 a few months back, still didn't like it so I leached it. I don't like BST in the 90s, its lv96 for that reason and probably isn't going to 99 till I finish Maat's cap. Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

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I personally think they should give pets their TH back, I stopped doing dynamis because now BST just go in with either a THF friend or that friend plus another person and just monopolize the EP camps. If BST could solo anything they'd be doing the DC camps and not clog the EP camps with their party of friends. PUP has an easier time soloing DCs in dynamis than the BST do for that matter... Should we camp PUP? and btw, I've seen solo ninjas hold 3~6 EP mobs, and THF hold 3~5 monsters in the same camps and based on the skill of the DNC and gear they can hold up to 7, so the holding is not exclusive to BST, you just don't see PUPs doing it.

I have seen pld/dnc, dnc/thf, sam/dnc, nin/dnc, mnk/dnc and thf/dnc all pull and hold multiple mobs with ease this thread and others like it are nothing more than a successful troll on BST....

The only issue I have is if you pull multiple mobs and kill slow as heck now that's just rude lol.

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

I totally support a BST nerf. Go ahead and lower jugs HP to 20%~30% of what they currently are, drop pet Defense and Attack power by 75%, but in return I want pets to get gear/attachments/skills similar to Pups/Smns that allows pet:

- TP Abilities that deals +1500 physical damage to high level monsters
- TP Abilities that deals +1500 magical damage to high level monsters
- The Ability to use TP whenever they have +100TP and attempt to form SC with master
- A Role Reversal type ability
- Abilities/Spells that Heal party members at the frequency of Pup's Auto
- Status removal spells/abilities
- Aura Buffs like Summoner
- AOE support Buffs (IE Hastega, Refreshga)
- High Damaging Black Mage Nukes
- Call Beast recast lowered to 1:00
- And since our current 2HR only grants a pathetic MAX HP+10% to jugs I think a 2-HR adjustment is needed.
During 2 Hour I want the ability to call a Wivre that hangs around for 10~15 mins before he depops. He should have Auto Regen/Regain and have the following TP abilities:
Boiling Blood: AOE Attack Boost+25% and Haste+25% for 5 mins for master's party.
Batterhorn: ~2000 cone damage

You do all these things and I'll support your solo BST nerf.

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Fully signed!!! Let's make BST the top tier Pet jobs and nerf the jug pets to oblivion but with those revisions so we can have what Pup, Drg and Summoner have in exchange, I mean, it's about time we get jug pets that can do massive nuke every 20 second without loosing MP and we should be able to do self skill chain with our pets just like every other jobs that over powered out there, it's only fair.

More like prepare for me stealing your mob's SE clearly states yellow is fair game.

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Originally Posted by Nala

More like prepare for me stealing your mob's SE clearly states yellow is fair game.

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/em high fives Nala.

Cry more BST haters, your tears are like delicious nectar.

There is alot of gil placed into soloing certain things that other jobs can kill with ease and use little to no gil for. I think that the balance is there, you just need to learn to accept that certain jobs have specialties over others. And that in fact monsters (which is what BST specialize in), have a higher damage base and damage reduction on things far less than their level. A higher HP is fair seeing as how call beast is an almost 5 minute recast timer and seeing as how everything can go to shit in less than 1 minute flat on this game I dare say adjusting or playing with that totally destroys the job.

I just don't see gimping BST being a fair option at all at this point, I mean are you simply complaining about BSTs ability to survive, because thats been a trademark of any pet job. If you are mad at seeing people solo stuff that used to be difficult to do, get over it its no longer 2002, and your hnmls doesn't bot claim stuff anymore.

Until SE makes it to where we can rapidly drop familiars out when they die like smn can resummon or cut call beast cool down in half or more or add a ja that let's us remove various status afflictions including doom then I'll agree with a bst nerf, until then get over it and leave my bst alone.

Ignore Habu he is an attention starved pre-teen.

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Funny story. I saw a thief and a white mage aeolian edge burning like 6 mobs at a time yesterday in bubu.

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I do dynamis with a Dancer and a RDM mule for haste and we AoE pull 8-10 mobs on my THF every night. I also solo things like Bennu on my THF I guess THF needs nerf too hey? :P

It's not their fault that the haters want to cry about ANY jobs potential to do something they can't. It's prolly some bandwagon Ukko's warrior that is sad they cant live through 10+ pulls or solo NM's. Must suck getting all those VW/Legion invites though......

If people hate BST's prowess so much, why don't they just level it?

Why do people think that they're better in life because they have more virtual achievements? Poor children get no attention at home these days.

Beastmaster was underpowered for a long time pre-abyssea, those of us who chose to level it had to learn the intracacies of Charm and mob families. I agree, there are a lot of Perle BST's who burn the job to 99 just to do dyna. In level 75 endgame they can do pretty decently, as can a lot of other jobs. However even a well geared BST has issues with the endgame introduced since abyssea.
Pet's have already had a couple of nerfs in the last year or so, there was the pet PDT nerf last year, which in hindsight made sense, as being able to get 100% PDT on pets was probably a bit broken. We have also had the TH nerf not so long ago.
My BST doesn't get as much use as it used to, currently the main uses are in Salvage and in Dyna.
I believe that the newer stronger pets were introduced because Charm was made virtually useless in anything Abyssea and onwards.
All jobs can be played well, or not so, gear contributes to this a bit, but a lot of it is the player themselves.
Asking for a nerf, just because BST can now solo old content doesn't make much sense to me. I think things are OK as they are currently.

Yeah those negative commenters and especially the original poster are just butt hurt jealous because Beastmaster is efficient farmer in Dynamis and the job can solo older contents rather well and works nicely in abyssea as well with the right atmas.... LIKE EVERY OTHER SOLO jobs basically lol. I think SE did a decent job in balancing beast master and already swung a couple of nerf bats at the job in the past year or two after Abyssea. Kudos for them for buffing the heck of Dragoon and Puppetmaster, I just wish they would do the same to Summoner, the last pet based job that is sorely lacking in the update dept. His comments about effort yada yada blah blah blah on skills etc... well pretty much gazilions of abysea express train jobs are rather under leveled skill wise, under geared and pretty much need a lot of work. Not everyone take this game seriously, some people just play it casually for fun.

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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I could say the same thing about cor. You can play cor by throwing money into the dice and then stand there naked pressing a macro for two rolls over and over again. No skill involved in the effectiveness of the buffs. However, playing that way doesn't mean you're playing the job right. Same applies to bst. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't be a lazy twit.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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If it's that simple go and do it. I have just recently levelled BST cause its fun to play (its still easier to solo stuff and farm dynamis on my THF)

You will see that jug pets fall over on their faces if you don't have the right gear. You will also find your pet bisciuts won't put a dent in the incoming damage without a good reward set.

Quite frankly you are a moron.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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You are such a troll. lol

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Originally Posted by Natenn

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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Then answer me how you could actually punish the bandwagon bsts without hurting the true bsts along with them?

Furthermore, calling it a skillless job is over harsh. The bsts you speak of play the bare minimum of the job's potential, which I admit, is higher than most job's bare minimum potential. There is skill that goes into the job and any bst who's actually taken the time to build their bst up into something great can show you the difference.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

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To say that is to say nerf all jobs. I can take on 5-6 mobs in dyna on PLD, NIN, THF,BLU, SAM even on WAR if I sub DNC. As Camiie said, if you feel intimidated by BST solo compared to your fav. job then instead of bashing BSTs and asking for Nerfs, ask for buffs on your own job or find a different job.

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

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exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

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Are you two that dumb or just plain ignorant, a naked summoner with 0 level magic skills can still do something somewhat similar - the pet they summon is lvl 99, has same hp, and the same strength as fully skilled up summoner. The only main difference is the buffs of 0 skill summoner will not last long or as effective. And the BP damage may be more miss than hit but not 0 damage. BST has to merit so that their jug pets can be strong at 99. Your main beef is that many people do bandwagon beast, because the job is the most bang for your buck when it comes to farming and playing solo. GET OVER IT already, always have and will be. It's an ok job, many other jobs are still much better suited for VIP events than beast master. And stop acting so high and mighty just because you "skilled up" your jobs... get off your high horse for once. If these bandwagon beast wants to be gimpatastic and only use the job for dyna farm or bcnm farm, which lets be HONEST here, this is your main jealousy factor, then so be it. Beast is efficient for dyna farm but it is not the only job that can be just as efficient or more.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

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And I ask the same question I asked before. How would either of you propose to gimp the bandwagon bsts without taking the career bsts down with them? Doesn't seem that easy to me, but idk, maybe there's something I haven't thought of. The bst bandwagon annoyed me as much as it does you, but not to the point where I'm willing to gimp myself to fight it.

Edit: To be clear, this is why the career bsts are chiming in. It feels like an attack on bst can only affect us all. Give me a real solution that could only affect the bandwagon bsts and I'll shut up and give my support.

People still don't also seem to grasp is you can't affect the strength of the pet because it is essentially a JA. And none of the JA ingame are related to skill level.

To gimp bandwagon BSTs would be to relate very JA ingame to a skill somehow which probably isn't possible.

Trolls aside, if you really want to get rid of "bandwagon-BSTs"
Gain monopoly over the strongest jugs and crank up those prices on the AH via a crafting mule.

I think what people really need to do is accept that they can't lay sole claim to Dynamis zones anymore, and that there is going to be competition for mobs at times. People need to drop this sense of entitlement and quit thinking that whatever lies before them belongs to them.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

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Career bsts are chiming in and jumping on your back because they recognize that there is no way to fix the issue you seem to have without stomping on the job as a whole. There are three ways to adjust the the strength of the pet:

1. Weaken all the attributes and lower the hp of the pet across the board. That screws every bst.

2. Make the strength of the pet dependent on skill on a job that has not previously had such a system. There are two choices for SE here, because they are not going to apply a "fix" differentially based how long a player has had bst 99 or whether they have good gear. SE doesn't have time to do that and it's a waste of monetary resources They can either give every bst skill based on their level or they can make everyone grind up from zero. First case scenario doesn't solve your "problem". The second scenario screws every bst because they have to grind up skill from zero.

3. Make the strength of jug pet gear dependent. Guess what? There's no system in place based on this premise atm. SE either has to give each player who leveled bst the gear (unlikely) or make every bst gather the gear (ding!). Guess what? You see where this going...it screws every bst. Everyone has to work to bring their pets up to a certain level of performance, whether they were "gimp" or not.

There's no way to to fix the balance problem you see without making every bst suffer.

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Originally Posted by Natenn

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

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Man the fumes of your trollness are just getting me high dude....

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Originally Posted by Natenn

exactly, idk what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

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Fixed that for you. You have ZERO idea what you're talking about. You don't know what BSTs do, you don't know how the job works. Some BST in white or pink gear (you did know BST can wear Aurore too right? No? Figures) kept you from doing something you felt entitled to do, and now you want to take us all out back and beat us with a nerf bat.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I think what people really need to do is accept that they can't lay sole claim to Dynamis zones anymore, and that there is going to be competition for mobs at times. People need to drop this sense of entitlement and quit thinking that whatever lies before them belongs to them.

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Now you're starting to sound like a real HNMer :)

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Originally Posted by Natenn

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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I take offense to basically everything you say in this thread. BTW, any job can be played in the manner you speak with very little skill, its just in different ways. I'm sure it takes tons of skill to spam WS macros as a DD while a whm bot cure bombs you. Just tons if skill involved there, right?

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Originally Posted by Natenn

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

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I regularly strip hate from my pet, in and outside Abyssea. Of course, I know how to build a tp set based on 25% (26%) haste, double and triple attack, and attack+, and actually eat meat. I focus on dding and use snarl to make my pet the meat shield or evasion tank. I use aoe pet tp moves on links to force mobs to hit my pet instead of me. I focus on tping and hitting ruinator, because even though pets have high damage melee hits, most ready moves are just laughable in terms of damage.

I act as dd and healer, my pet acts as the tank. I don't know what other people do, but that's how i do things. This is, of course, on mobs that don't do dangerous tp moves. On those mobs, I switch to a complete full pet haste and pdt- set and focus on keeping the pet alive at all costs.

There's a lot more to bst than using call beast, attack and reward.

But your not the target of the nerf being asked for, we do not want BSTs who work at it to be nerfed, can you not understand that?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

But your not the target of the nerf being asked for, we do not want BSTs who work at it to be nerfed, can you not understand that?

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There is no way to implement what you're asking for without hitting career bsts or punishing ppl who haven't even leveled the job. Why can't you understand that? I wrote a whole post about this morning.