[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

I never understood the need for head, body, feet etc in the macros. The only place I see it useful is for ears and rings, but it's not like im going to try to put my boots on my head is it >_<!

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What is this? I don't even...

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Originally Posted by Vivik

What is this? I don't even...

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Um... thought it was pretty clear:

/equip head "Some head item"
/equip body "Epic body of the mechastats"

instead of:

/equip "Some head item"
/equip "Epic body of the mechastats"

Not sure if trolling... or just trolling though.

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Um... thought it was pretty clear:

/equip head "Some head item"
/equip body "Epic body of the mechastats"

instead of:

/equip "Some head item"
/equip "Epic body of the mechastats"

Not sure if trolling... or just trolling though.

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Nah, it makes more sense now. You're advocating a change to the syntax, but the way you worded it it sounded like you were suggesting people not change specific equipment slots at all(presumably due to the blink it causes).

i would like to point out that sum players (i am not one of them) don't gear swop because from a role playing standpoint they think it is redunkulis .

close friend of mine put it to me this way

"when in a battle the war would not say oh hold on Mr ork let me switch to this nice shinny Brest plate to hit you harder *2 min later* ok now i can kick your ass" he felt that it broke the Emerson in to the game so did not use it.

to me its there money and they can play and in fact have the right to play how they want while i dont see while she brings it up so much i don't know but i do think it is aleet to say anyone that does not play the game with gear swops are "noobs".

good gear and swopping gear does not a good player make. all the great gear will not make a crappy player good and bad gear will not make a grate player bad.

also stop with the mocking her for saying text limit she got caled out for posting right after her last post in a different threads started saying "text limit" so people would know why the double and sum times triple posts and what do sum of you do mock
her for doing that.

onistely this forums and the game and other mmos are like being back in high school.


having said all that as i posted on the first page this is a great idea and of the 2 i like the 2nd option and hope the Dev team will comment on it

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Originally Posted by katiekat

i would like to point out that sum players (i am not one of them) don't gear swop because from a role playing standpoint they think it is redunkulis .

close friend of mine put it to me this way

"when in a battle the war would not say oh hold on Mr ork let me switch to this nice shinny Brest plate to hit you harder *2 min later* ok now i can kick your ass" he felt that it broke the Emerson in to the game so did not use it.

to me its there money and they can play and in fact have the right to play how they want while i dont see while she brings it up so much i don't know but i do think it is aleet to say anyone that does not play the game with gear swops are "noobs".

good gear and swopping gear does not a good player make. all the great gear will not make a crappy player good and bad gear will not make a grate player bad.

also stop with the mocking her for saying text limit she got caled out for posting right after her last post in a different threads started saying "text limit" so people would know why the double and sum times triple posts and what do sum of you do mock
her for doing that.

onistely this forums and the game and other mmos are like being back in high school.


having said all that as i posted on the first page this is a great idea and of the 2 i like the 2nd option and hope the Dev team will comment on it

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In an RP sense, switching out gear doesn't make much sense on the spot, but at the same time, her attitude would be affecting whatever party she joined. If she wanted to go solo or with other people who are doing the same then fine, but not using a core battle mechanic which would severely limit her performance and output is unfair to others in the party who are maximising their potential.

You are correct in that good gear does not make a bad player good, but gear makes a good player great, otherwise there would be no need for any gear ingame, you could effectively complete the game with your onion set.

Her attitude is no problem alone, but inflicting it on others who are putting in time and effort to macro and be the best they can be is called being a leech, and a very arrogant leech at that if thats the attitude she wants to portray.

TL:DR version - If she wants to not gear swap, she can solo, but she should not expect outcry if she did it in a group.

brb, main healing on my mnk, because i'm swinging an apollo's staff.

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Originally Posted by katiekat

i would like to point out that sum players (i am not one of them) don't gear swop because from a role playing standpoint they think it is redunkulis .

close friend of mine put it to me this way

"when in a battle the war would not say oh hold on Mr ork let me switch to this nice shinny Brest plate to hit you harder *2 min later* ok now i can kick your ass" he felt that it broke the Emerson in to the game so did not use it.

to me its there money and they can play and in fact have the right to play how they want while i dont see while she brings it up so much i don't know but i do think it is aleet to say anyone that does not play the game with gear swops are "noobs".

good gear and swopping gear does not a good player make. all the great gear will not make a crappy player good and bad gear will not make a grate player bad.

also stop with the mocking her for saying text limit she got caled out for posting right after her last post in a different threads started saying "text limit" so people would know why the double and sum times triple posts and what do sum of you do mock
her for doing that.

onistely this forums and the game and other mmos are like being back in high school.


having said all that as i posted on the first page this is a great idea and of the 2 i like the 2nd option and hope the Dev team will comment on it

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I dunno, I find creating elaborate macros and gear sets to be part of the lure of this game. The fact that I have to research and determine the minuscule performance differences between different gear sets and customize macros to make efficient use of them is as much a part of the battle as swinging my incredibly small dagger at that giant sand worm thingamajiggy.

On a very basic level I see where you could say that gear swaps might not happen quite the way we use them, in a real battle. You would however see people picking up different weapons and or swapping them out based on need. for example, a heavily armored horseman might want to drop his lance, pull his sword or dagger and strip off some of that heavy metal should he be knocked down. He might even be inclined to put on his magic ring that gives him incredible eyesight, or magically absorbs blows from his enemy. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.

I understand where in very specific circumstances it would not make sense for a person to be swapping pieces of armor mid battle, but reality and rules are really not synonymous with MMOs, or any game for that matter.

i want to be cleari gear swop i think it makes me a better player i just wanted to say that not all reasons are stupid.i was more meaning i know there are theirs that just don't for rp reasons. i am not one of them am even starting to work on a nuking set for my nin if she realy pisses you guys off cant you block or ignore her so her comments poof? that wold be better then intaganising her and terming topics in to cat fights (get it mithra ... cat fights...( anyways just hate how much fighting and drama is on this bored...tho its not as bad as game FAQS.

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Originally Posted by katiekat

if she realy pisses you guys off cant you block or ignore her so her comments poof?

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Just because you pretend the dog didn't crap all over the carpet, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

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Please tell the reps by leaving players with a lacking macro system they force many players to use Third-party tools to have proper macros. Many players do not want to use Third-party tools on this game but macros are a very important part of the games structure, and with the built in version lacking as it is the only way for players to overcome this disability is via cheating. Also please tell them that I would very much like for them to consider allowing us to edit the macro feature with the new UI and its ability for user plug-ins so that this problem can be avoided in the future.

I'm usually pretty nice on these forums, but this might sound a bit offensive to SE, so I hope it's taken objectively. I think the playerbase understands that those features would allow for some level of automation which may feel like botting to SE. However, what this close-minded stance really does is solidify the gap between those who use the unofficial windower and those who don't. And that's not even talking about the spellcast plugin which run's circles around it. World of Warcraft (the enemy, I know) controls it's plugins rather than blindly stopping them all. They only have 10 times the subscriptions that FFXI has though. /jab

From a purely objective point of view, how the hell do you expect players to use something like twilight cape. More specifically, if a player wishes to have a searing cape or something for when the spell they are casting does not match the weather/day, but wants to use the twilight cape when it does match the weather/day. Considering how often weather changes, should this player constantly change their gear swap macros, or just be constantly button mashing during the now ridiculously fast casting times that elemental celerity provides for blm? A simple If/Then/Else interface would fix this. Even if you just make it apply to equip commands!!!!! Not sure if you realize these programs do exist and people will use them until SE does it better, and they will have a huge advantage over those that don't. I am not a fan of botting or anything related to that, so once again, don't take this the wrong way but please do listen.

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Originally Posted by Cowardlybabooon

World of Warcraft controls it's plugins rather than pretending they don't exist.

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FTFY.

To the devs: We aren't asking to be able to press one macro, then go afk for an hour. We just want a way to use this situational gear without hitting three equip macros for every action (or cheating). I'm not really certain what kind of looping macro situation you seem to be afraid of. It's not like you can do anything worthwhile with no player interaction.

Here square and crew, I have an easy fix for you guys. Go to the website and download a copy of spell-cast. Give it to your engineers. Have them remove functionality that does not specifically relate to gear swaps. Plug it into your official windower. Profit.

... or just ignore this thread and allow your users to assume that you don't mind if they use third party apps.

On a side note, I'm going to assume that this response was to something that the JP threads asked for, because the OP didn't say anything about automating anything and the one action per line thing just doesn't make sense at all.

Good lord people, the rep is a customer support guy, not a developer. They just gave you an honest and clear answer saying the macro system is as it is. People have used Windower for 10 years, im pretty positive that this is no shock to them.

Get out of their throat and give them some credit for answering your query and stop overreacting to it. This has been known forever.

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Good lord people, the rep is a customer support guy, not a developer. They just gave you an honest and clear answer saying the macro system is as it is. People have used Windower for 10 years, im pretty positive that this is no shock to them.

Get out of their throat and give them some credit for answering your query and stop overreacting to it. This has been known forever.

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I don't see anything in that response that answers the OP. Take your internetz rage somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Good lord people, the rep is a customer support guy, not a developer. They just gave you an honest and clear answer saying the macro system is as it is. People have used Windower for 10 years, im pretty positive that this is no shock to them.

Get out of their throat and give them some credit for answering your query and stop overreacting to it. This has been known forever.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

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We're not asking to call other macros

we just want gear swaps to be put on one line for a game that clearly rewards muliple gear swaps.

Anyway DEVs said they wanted to make the game easier to use with the new UI but it'll still be full of useless buttons.

Having to press 5 buttons to perform one Action is very poor game design and i put it down to ps2 limitions but on the new UI let pple put gear sets into one line.

How about putting the reduced macro delay response back in

the only "dag crapping on the carpet" or giving a poor attitude to play style is coming from you guys. Your so uptight on how I play, I "fight" just to be left alone about it. I've done some ebdgame over the years, been in parties, done stuff with friends AND randoms. And not once was i called out for "not gear swaping". Only time ingame I was called out for something was my choice on how I played rdm. Which i handled by simply leaving the party. I got heat for this due to "being the only mage on". The only reason I stated personal info was to explain to you guys who I am, and where i come from. You guys continually mock my typing, though some of you also make mistakes... so I explain why I make mine. You guys cominually mock my lack of doing something, i explained in detail why I don't. I never was on an anti gear swap thing. I could care less. I just did not.. nor do not feel a player should be insulted for making a choice. All I wanted to do is say my opinions on threads, what I got was off topic petty >

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insults that had nothing to do with the topic, or even what I posted. Also having stated I have ADD was also to tell you guys, my brain chemically works different then a person who don't have ADD. This means my logic, and gow i take in and output info is gonna be different. I was making just a logical example of similarities of ffxi and ffxiv. They do share basic game mechanics, and similar macro commands which do include equipment swaping. As miz pointed out, you can gear swap sorta speak but must be in passive mode. Which you can do in any rpg... I just pointed out you can't doing in attack mode. Simple logic would by, if it in ffxi, why not ffxiv? And why are the ppl asking for it, getting it denied.

Anyway... I do appologise for my attitude, but I do not come here to be insulted. I just want my voice to be put in feedback for what goes into a game I love. A game I have been playing since may 25, 2004.

If you guys dislike my comments, dislike them... BUT no need for the insults.

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final note that dev reply, is pretty much what reply ffxiv players get.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Also having stated I have ADD was also to tell you guys, my brain chemically works different then a person who don't have ADD. This means my logic, and gow i take in and output info is gonna be different.

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Plenty of other posters also have ADD and quite frankly wish you would stop bringing it up because it is not an excuse. You're using it as a crutch and the rest of us find that extremely insulting.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

I have ADD

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I don't need to know that! Personal info is personal, keep it to yourself, we don't need to know it.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Plenty of other posters also have ADD and quite frankly wish you would stop bringing it up because it is not an excuse. You're using it as a crutch and the rest of us find that extremely insulting.

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No i'm not... Just used it as an explination as my poor typing which ya, i admit and have admoted my typing sucks. But also... ADD isn't the same for everyone their many different "tics" of it that not everyone will have.

Pretty much you guys insulted me for a piss poor reason... all I stated was an explination, you choose to think i'm using it as a crutch. Instead of repeating the same school yard insults on my typing, try to ask what I mean, and I will try to type better.

going "omg rosina you fail so hard your typing sucks noob" say, you misspell or I don't understand what you mean. It makes you sound less like a well brat....

Better idea if you don't want called out, stop posting. Period.

And seriously don't put personal info out there that you don't want used against you. It just makes you come off as shiny at this point.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I don't need to know that! Personal info is personal, keep it to yourself, we don't need to know it.

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well here is the thing, do I need to be insulted for something i may not have an easy time controling?

Instead of being ignorant that i'm typing bad to type bad I made it know that I had it, And that I try hard to type well. It isn't personally easy for me. But I try my best. But really, can the two of you drop the fact I did say it?

You do not have to get on my case for it. By me saying it, is nothing more then my saying it. I'm not, nor never meant it to be an excuse.

But I will again state this... I don't need to be insulted either.

Oh look, this thread again.

Would be nice if they did something like consolidating an entire set of equipment to a single command to go with the whole new UI thing.

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Originally Posted by Volarione

Better idea if you don't want called out, stop posting. Period.

And seriously don't put personal info out there that you don't want used against you. It just makes you come off as shiny at this point.

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or you can drop it and move on...

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Originally Posted by Rosina

well here is the thing, do I need to be insulted for something i may not have an easy time controling?

Instead of being ignorant that i'm typing bad to type bad I made it know that I had it, And that I try hard to type well. It isn't personally easy for me. But I try my best. But really, can the two of you drop the fact I did say it?

You do not have to get on my case for it. By me saying it, is nothing more then my saying it. I'm not, nor never meant it to be an excuse.

But I will again state this... I don't need to be insulted either.

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No you need to stop whining and get a spell and grammer checker, windows comes with it stock. If you get on other peoples cases they will get on yours grow up please.

I said something about macros calling macros but I only meant as the macro book could call to an equipment book.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

or as apparently i am goot be a repeating parot... you can drop it and move on...

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Umm I don't speak whatever language this is. It's not English so....

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Originally Posted by Volarione

No you need to stop whining and get a spell and grammer checker, windows comes with it stock. If you get on other peoples cases they will get on yours grow up please.

I said something about macros calling macros but I only meant as the macro book could call to an equipment book.

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You must be new here (july 2012) yes you are..

I type on the ps3, if I had a spell checker and grammar checker I would have been using it. I have not whinned once, simply asking to not be insulted is not whining. Its a simply request. I could easily just report it... but I feel reporting petty brat behavior a bit trivial and a simply request to stop should suffice.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

You must be new here (july 2012) yes you are..

I type on the ps3, if I had a spell checker and grammar checker I would have been using it. I have not whinned once, simply asking to not be insulted is not whining. Its a simply request. I could easily just report it... but I feel reporting petty brat behavior a bit trivial and a simply request to stop should suffice.

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Rosina please stop arguing with people...

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Hey guys,

I just wanted to let you know that we understand everyone's viewpoints as to why swapping additional gear via macros would be favorable, and to some, it may not.

The following policies were established from the beginning after thoroughly exploring the macro feature:

1. The fundamental rule is that macros execute one action per line. (Excluding “/wait”)
2. It is not possible to automate things nor call other macros within a macro.

Due to the aforementioned reasons, we do not plan to expand macros and we appreciate your understanding.

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I think it's worth pointing out that the two things you named aren't "reasons." Saying you've given a reason implies that you've explained some kind of design principle that led to the current rules. You just said the current rules, which are (as far as we know from what you've said) arbitrary. Whether or not they're malleable isn't really up for debate, considering they're in an artificially created online environment.

You've entered a debate about what the laws should be by reciting the laws, clapping your hands, and saying "I guess we're done here!"

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Originally Posted by Rosina

or you can drop it and move on...

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Or you could not bring it up in the first place, then there would be no need to drop it.

In any case i approve of any idea that allows more in game freedom of control, aka not hitting 4 macros to gear swap and perform my weapon skill of choice.

Suggestions are always welcome and we encourage players to discuss them fully. Please keep posts on topic and free of insults to one another. We would rather not lock this thread for unnecessary inflammatory behavior. We ask that everyone stay on track. Thank you.

~GM Baudle

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Get out of their throat and give them some credit for answering your query and stop overreacting to it. This has been known forever.

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They didn't answer shit. They ignored the question entirely and gave a generic response. And no one is blaming them for it, we're blaming the developers. We know they're just messengers.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

not a meme

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Memes are retarded.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

You just said the current rules, which are (as far as we know from what you've said) arbitrary. Whether or not they're malleable isn't really up for debate, considering they're in an artificially created online environment.

You've entered a debate about what the laws should be by reciting the laws, clapping your hands, and saying "I guess we're done here!"

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That's precisely my problem with it. But sadly, it feels like this is their way of answering most our inquiries. It was the same with the merit suggestion. We were criticizing the current situation, and they responded by saying the current situation was intended. No kidding. If it wasn't, it probably wouldn't be in this game. But that was precisely what was bothering people, and it's the same here. We all know SE made it to only execute one gear swap per macro line. But that is our very problem.

When asked to increase the macro lines, they answered with memory limitations on the PS2. Now we gave them another solution and they answer with "it was always intended this way"? If that's the case you should have told us sooner, so we'd stop suggesting new things and waiting for ages for a generic answer.

Nothing is more disheartening than getting more proof that the developers of one of your favorite games have no common sense whatsoever and care nothing about their community's wishes and desires. If they think they know better than we do, just because they develop this game they are gravely mistaken. They need to learn to differentiate between idiots suggesting silly things such as RDM should be allowed to use Great Axes and valid suggestions that would benefit almost everyone and increase the gameplay value, especially if it helps get people off an officially forbidden third party tool, which is so common by now that they attract more people to the game than SE themselves. Now that's something to be ashamed of. See the error of your ways devs and do something about it.