[Dev] PS2 User Poll

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

People are still QQing over the game not being on PS2 for NA/EU? A PC that will run the game can be made for less than the expansion itself will likely cost ffs.

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This is a lost cause for the people in question. They're still playing Bop-it, waiting for the Spice Girls reunion, and "Kennan and Kel" are still on Nick.

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

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Originally Posted by Zeargi

Goal: To find out the number of people that would. I personally have never been asked as US Citizen which system I play on, and people continue to say the SE surveyed people.

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Isn't it one of the annual census questions?

Also it's available for €12 (roughly $18) on Steam, as a full all in one code, which can be added to an existing account to top it up to the most current expansion, or used to create a new, fully upgraded account.

Not sure where you are getting the $40 from.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Get a JP PS2 and copy.

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Hard to do if you can't read Japanese, since you can't change the in-game client language. SCEI also finally took the non-slim PS2 out of production 2-3 years ago, after almost a 10 year production run, so you'd be getting a used one.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

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And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

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Originally Posted by Iakothm

And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

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Why don't you buy me a PS2 since you think I should get a PS2 quality game despite the fact that I paid for the PC and 360 versions as well. And $40 isn't a lot of money (Nor is it even relevant). I just watched a kid sell a PS2 and some games for $40 today at the garage sale across the street. He probably went and spent that money on a better gaming system and you should do the same.

If you can afford to pay $100+ a year for a game, but can't come up with $19.99 once every ten years to change platforms, then you either have the tightest budget in known existence, or you are full of crap. What are you gonna do if they raise the subscription price due to inflation? Will you be forced into a life of crime to pay for it? Oh gosh. I hope they don't do that. The street will be full of insane FFXI addicts. This could be worse than crack in the 80's.

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid. No matter what you aren't gonna get the type of update you want even if they remove all support and put it on only PC. ps2 players have been just as dedicated to this game as any pc players if not more so. So seriously all the people playing on PC need to get off their damn high horse and leave PS2 players alone.

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Originally Posted by Iakothm

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid.

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No, SE are telling them that. He's just trying to convince them that it's not a bad thing. SE are basically doing everyone a favor with this move, even though many people are too stubborn to see it.

Think of it as planned obsolescence.

Eventually, you won't be able to get anything FFXI for the PS2 in the other regions. When Sony one day no longer deems it cost effective to support PS2 in the JP region, it too will go the way of the Dodo as a viable FFXI platform there as well (Sony has already slated this for review in 2015). Think of it this way... there is a reason i386, i486, P5, etc. systems left the market and Intel stopped producing the CPU's---better systems hit the markets and the CONSUMERS moved to the better platforms.

It is an inevitable change that IS GOING TO HAPPEN, whether you like it or not.

lol This thread was a good read. Think it's time to close it up though. OP, to answer your question. No, no one would buy it save the two or three people in this thread who said they would. How about it SE? Spend a lot of money to make a quick, according to this thread, $80 bucks? Or wait until the end of the month and make that same amount in a few seconds?

OP you've really got them cornered! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Iakothm

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid. No matter what you aren't gonna get the type of update you want even if they remove all support and put it on only PC. ps2 players have been just as dedicated to this game as any pc players if not more so. So seriously all the people playing on PC need to get off their damn high horse and leave PS2 players alone.

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Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

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This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

No, SE are telling them that. He's just trying to convince them that it's not a bad thing. SE are basically doing everyone a favor with this move, even though many people are too stubborn to see it.

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What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

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Originally Posted by Chilloa

lol This thread was a good read. Think it's time to close it up though. OP, to answer your question. No, no one would buy it save the two or three people in this thread who said they would. How about it SE? Spend a lot of money to make a quick, according to this thread, $80 bucks? Or wait until the end of the month and make that same amount in a few seconds?

OP you've really got them cornered! :rolleyes:

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Ummm not everyone who plays ffxi reads these forums and moreover not everyone that reads these forums write a post, your logic is flawed

p.s. - I just saw this thread a few days ago

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

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I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

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You already have a computer that can handle FFXI. Quit trying to play the "I can't afford a PC" card. You make it sound like all PS2 players are financially irresponsible morons, when in reality they are just people who like things a certain way and don't want to change.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

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helping drop ps2 support.

btw, level your drk98

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Originally Posted by Iakothm

And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

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If $40 makes or breaks you, what system the expansion is released on should be the last of your worries.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

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Forcing everyone to play a better version of FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

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What are the specs of the PC/laptop you are posting with? Chances are, it is sufficient to run FFXI, unless it's pretty old. The only reason I can't put it on this laptop is because it's an ancient IBM that can't support TNL properly (came with Win2k on it, DX7 hardware support)--but the home built PC (circa 2006, a few upgrades along the way) runs it full screen and full frame rates.

And the cost to get the PC version and all the expansions....is currently LESS then what you report to pay monthly if you get it on sale through steam. Otherwise, it's just 19.99 DLC from all the other channels, and may go on sale at one of those other portals as well (it's been on sale many times for $9.99 or less).

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

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Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You already have a computer that can handle FFXI. Quit trying to play the "I can't afford a PC" card. You make it sound like all PS2 players are financially irresponsible morons, when in reality they are just people who like things a certain way and don't want to change.

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No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

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Then the question should be "Why do you even own a PC more than 10 years old?". Because anything newer than that should be able to play it.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

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I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

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Keeping a 12 year old console on a game that is still popular enough to get new content and be alive is absurd. If you don't want to buy a PC then don't, if you don't want to upgrade your PC then don't. There is much more reason than 1 single game to do those things, but if you don't want to do it then don't, just don't complain when things like this happen.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Forcing everyone to play a better version of FFXI.

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That's not a favor its a blunder, and by being better is a matter of option. Paying more money for new platforms, past expansion bundles and the new expansion is an absurdity, all of this on top of my 17.95 monthly. Stuff like this will only serve to push customers away

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

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This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Keeping a 12 year old console on a game that is still popular enough to get new content and be alive is absurd. If you don't want to buy a PC then don't, if you don't want to upgrade your PC then don't. There is much more reason than 1 single game to do those things, but if you don't want to do it then don't, just don't complain when things like this happen.

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Last time I checked the OP made the thread for ps2 users to post, if you don't like this thread and the options of the ps2 posters then don't post, because I will continue to express my concerns.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

the options of the ps2 posters

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I simply explained your options. Stay on PS2, get less content. Buy new console, get more content. These seem to be your primary options apart from leaving this game.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

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We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I simply explained your options. Stay on PS2, get less content. Buy new console, get more content. These seem to be your primary options apart from leaving this game.

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I'm aware of the options, but there should be more options and that's the crux of the argument here, and the central issue among ps2 users

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly

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Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

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Well I will ask you then why should SE continue to support a console or a group if there are small amount of people who play on that console?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

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Again...specs on this system in question would be nice to see. I have spare parts that have been collecting dust for about 8 years I could use to throw a system together that is capable of running FFXI. The PC I built for my 14 year old daughter when she was in 1st grade can run it ffs--and that was built from scraps after upgrading another system. Sure, it only has a 128MB vid card in it, and an ISA Soundblaster card--but it can run FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

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lol.. it took almost a year for me to even start TAU content...it was Manaburns that finally lured me out there for my BLM, then besieged for the skillups on it afterwards. Just because it's out there, doesn't mean you HAVE to participate.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

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I'm curious....just how does one get left behind if they don't visit the new continent?

Level to 99 in pre-Abyssea areas....check
Aquire Powerful abyssea gear solo at 99....check.
Complete Empyrean weapons either solo or with LS/FriendsList contacts....check.
CoP content level cap restrictions lifted....WotG/TAU (most all older content) soloable/low-man content now....check.

Sooooo...all you are denied without having access to the new zone, is the new zone and items that can only be obtained by completing content in that new zone (if it can be bought/traded, it can be acquired without completing said content).

So again.....just how does one get "left behind"?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

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the polls they took about a year ago most likely beg to differ.

I play on PC x2 and though the PS3 with backward compatibility. And it looks horrible on PS3..even with a fancy TV and quality hookup cables. *IF* if looked better on PS3 i would be interested..but without a complete overhaul it won't...so drop PS2 support imo...technology passed that platform by.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

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Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Again...specs on this system in question would be nice to see. I have spare parts that have been collecting dust for about 8 years I could use to throw a system together that is capable of running FFXI. The PC I built for my 14 year old daughter when she was in 1st grade can run it ffs--and that was built from scraps after upgrading another system. Sure, it only has a 128MB vid card in it, and an ISA Soundblaster card--but it can run FFXI.

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The average person doesn't build a computer, and the average person doesn't build a computer out of left over spare. My comps are for browsing only and does not have the processing power for MMO's such as ffxi or ffxiv. Furthermore I bought ps2 for ffxi, and after buying the system for this game there telling me a need a new platform for it, its absurb