who cares what platform it will be on, by the time it comes out the game will be dead. this is far too little too late for ffxi at this point.
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06-28-2012, 04:58 PMGranny
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06-28-2012, 06:09 PMRagingAvatar
No it's not! Far from it! I still love this game - I'm looking forward to what I expect to be a pretty hardcore expansion aimed level 99 players - hopefully with some fun content for new players too.
This game has a lot of life left in it. Grounds of Valor particularly has done a good job at getting people back into grouping in low level areas. -
06-29-2012, 07:01 AMRitsuka
Using a tv as a monitor wares ou the tv alot faster.
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06-29-2012, 09:40 AMAkutenshi
People are failing to realize that JP PS2 support and games have just started to decline in the last few years, but not enough to stop them from warranting an expansion for the Japanese. There is still money to be made in Japan so that is why they do it. It's not that they are doing it to be vindictive for NA players. People that think that are just being silly. Japan is like the third or fourth in the amount of users that access the internet. Most people access the internet through mobile phones or PC's. Japanese pretty much only use PC's for school, information, and storing digital pictures. Barely anyone uses PC's for gaming, it's just not part of their culture.
A good amount of Japanese are taught English and they can play western PC games, but if you ever have been to Japan or know lots of Japanese, them playing games such as Mass Effect or new released PC games from big western companies is very rare. I still have many Japanese friends from my time there and we play Diablo 3 together, but besides big named games like that people don't play on PC's very much.
Consoles have been a big part of Japanese culture and will continue to be. There are tons of anime games and stories were still being released for JP PS2 recently and NA releases would never see the light of day. They sell in Japan and don't in the states. That's the bottom line. To take a chance and hope NA players update their hard drives to play an new expansion is a big risk. Anyone can see that. Yeah, it sucks for people that still play on PS2s, but serious Japanese have already done so already so it wouldn't be a big risk in Japan. If you didn't know, there are numerous Japanese games for PS2 with the option to load data on to the hard drives for faster loading. Most Japaneses updated their PS2's solely for this reason years ago.
Instead of localizing the new expansion for PS2, I would much rather have them spend those resources and time on the game itself to make it better. I can still hook up my PS2 and play FFXI, but I don't. I have a much better experience on PC and my Xbox. I have monster component cables for my PS2 to make the graphics look almost as good as my xbox, but honestly people just need to get with the times. At least they did not drop the support completely be thankful for that.
I feel for people that their only means is to play on PS2, but honestly, if you need your car to drive to work and it craps the bed, you either find other means to get to work or get a new car. Especially if you have an old clunker and it isn't worth investing more money into. -
06-29-2012, 11:24 AMJoslyn
And yet if it wasn't coming out for PC many NA players would be in an uproar saying that its not fair that its only coming out for ps2 and xbox...Look the fact of the matter is we don't know if they are doing a downloadable version or not. It's all speculation at this point, they are releasing it only in Japan as a disc format because of the support they have for their consoles, ppl in america have no Idea what its like to live in an area were space is very limited, why do you think the original xbox failed so bad there. I personally prefer to play on console not because its better but to me pc runs to slow, and even when I resize everything I still have frame rate issues( cant get any higher then 10 fps and I have enough pc to run WoW flawlessly)If I truly wanted to play for graphics I'd get FFXIV or Rift but that's not why I play this MMO. I'm not saying they won't ever get rid Of ps2 support but by the time they do the game will be dead and ppl will move on to other MMO's, look at what happened to the original EQ, or UO for that matter, everything dies off after time or ppl get tired of the same crap over and over again. Would i love it to see them re tool the code and make the game better? Yes but that won't happen just like a remake of VII won't happen till just everyone just completely stops playing. If they truly did Optimize it for pc when it came out and only made it for pc then yes I would play it on pc but I cant bring myself to play it when I have less issues on console(even since I switched to 360) and futher more I think people forget that this is a Japanese based company and not an american one, they have a different look on how they handle game content, or for that matter if and when they decide if they want to re-release something.
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06-29-2012, 11:26 AMDaniel_HatcherWell duh, a lot more people play it on PC in NA and EU than they do on PS2/3 and XBOX 360.Quote:
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06-29-2012, 11:54 AMJoslynBut that shouldn't mean people who still wish to play on a console should be excluded, thats like saying you cant have the new IOS for your Iphone cause you have a Iphone 4 and not the 4S, look the game is old and on its last legs they could probably keep it going for another 5 years but after this exp i think they will start to wind down and cut back on everything including updates and have people move on to FFXIV or even another game or even make it free to play and that might send even more people away, they should release it to be fair, hell they don't even have to make it availible in a physical store I would be willing to buy it direct from the website so that way they can keep the cost down from producing a bunch that won't sell.Quote:
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06-29-2012, 12:12 PMLlana_VirrenHowever, since PC > console (at least PC > a decade old piece of crap) they're gonna start dropping PS2. You can still play FFXI on PS2. You just can't slow down progress or hurt the capabilities of yet another expansion by playing on PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joslyn
Don't worry, JP PS2 support isn't going to last forever either; but in Japan they can do a lot more for PS2 (such as HDD) without having to go through Sony, which means, better cost : profit. It all comes down to cost : profit. -
06-29-2012, 12:14 PMFrankReynoldsLOL you have a regular old Tube TV still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritsuka
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06-29-2012, 12:37 PMJoslynBut if its all about profit then FFXIV would not be around, profit is not always the reason to keep something going, and you only make a profit after you make back what you spent in the first place to make said product, even with the declining player base for this game there is still enough ppl that play it to make it profitable since it uses 10+ year old tech, and for that matter they could have updated the game to play and run on current pc's without the hick-ups it has but they choose not tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Llana_Virren
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06-29-2012, 01:07 PMAldersydeWhat are you taking about? You do know that they are making it for the JP PS2 right? That means that there's going to be the whatever inherent limitations you think there are going to be with this expansion as if they had released it for the NA PS2 because they still have to code a PS2 version. All SE is doing is pissing off a section of their playerbase for no good reason at a time when they're console games aren't exactly gangbusters in the NA market (FFXIII-2 was a pretty mediocore performer compared to other FFs). Great plan. Are you sure that profit is their primary motivator because from a business standpoint, this is an incredibly stupid decision. When you're selling an already pretty niche product, it's stupid to alienate ANY portion of your clientele, especially when part of the enjoyment of the game comes social relationships formed within the virtual world SE has created. But hey, I guess people just don't understand this concept of interconnectedness. I've already explained it once and won't explain it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llana_Virren
There's absolutely no reason not to offer the expansion as a digital download; it's not like PS2 players aren't used to long download times. It may be laziness but it sure looks from a NA perspective as regional discrimination. I think SE are a little complacent and under the impression that their flagship FF games are still must play games in NA. I'm here to assure them that they're not. You can go to most gaming forums discussing the franchise and find this to be true.
Stop pissing off your customers. -
06-29-2012, 03:02 PMZerichit's an MMO...ppl play MMO's on PCs...deal with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Joslyn
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06-29-2012, 03:16 PMbungiefanNANo it doesn't, considering HDTVs are computer monitors, just with a channel tuner and a couple more video inputs. Some screen technologies have been susceptible to burn-in, but that's fairly rare nowadays. LCD and LED screens can't suffer burn-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritsuka
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06-29-2012, 03:18 PMLlana_VirrenYes, and I consider this a step towards that final goal of no more PS2. Even if this dream never comes to fruition, knowing that there are fewer retarded NA players on PS2 makes me happy.Quote:
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I know this comes off rather trollish, and I apologize, but my god, NA players have complained the most in 10 years about how they "deserve more from SE." -
06-29-2012, 04:42 PMAldersydeIf you think SE will cut off its JP PS2 player base, you are stupid or delusional and likely both, but more probably just stupid. It makes me happy to know that you are wrong, wrong, wrong and that you chase a fruitless dream. JP PS2 support will continue past 2015 or 16 when Sony decides they're not going to support the platform at all. SE doesn't have the cahones to do otherwise.Quote:
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And I have no idea what you're saying yes to. Try to work on your specificity and answer in complete sentences. See, I can be trollish too! -
06-29-2012, 04:45 PMLlana_Virren^and this is exactly why I'm glad NAs can't PS2 in the expansion. Thank you for ignoring the actual message and being butthurt. I appreciate it.Quote:
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06-29-2012, 04:47 PMAldersydeBrah, I play on PC and keep another account on my old ass PS2. But if you would had read the entire thread, you'd know that. Thanks for coming out!Quote:
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Your post had an actual message? I interpreted it as "I hate PS2" and just kinda zoned out.Sorry, when I get bored, I make up my own stories. -
06-29-2012, 05:14 PMLlana_VirrenI don't hate PS2 at all... I just get sick and tired of players thinking that it's somehow "unfair" that PS2 isn't going to be maintained forever. It's old technology, plain and simple. That's why I stopped playing on PS2 back in 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
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06-29-2012, 05:29 PMAldersydeBut JP PS2 will likely be continued "for ever", because PC gaming just doesn't seem as big as console gaming in Japan. So the only thing you're really supporting is regional discrimination. If someone can prove me wrong on console vs. PC numbers, than do so, because I don't think any of you can.Quote:
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06-29-2012, 05:55 PMJackstinDiscrimination is a very VERY strong word for what is going on here. Sony didn't release the HDD for PS2. Ooh its regional discrimination. Final Fantasy XIII was released a few months later in the west, OOH its regional discrimination. This is why people are calling you 'butt hurt' (although I hate that term); because you are making a mountain out of a molehill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
You are right, there are lots of JP PS2 players so it would be unfair to drop PS2 support and ask them to upgrade. In the West hardly anyone plays on PS2. A lot of those who do only do so on PS3. And here's the important thing. You can still play this game on your PS2/3 just not the new expansion. Its unreasonable to ask SE to release this expansion on another platform just for you and a couple of your friends who like to dual box. I think you are all underestimating how much that costs. -
06-29-2012, 06:10 PMAldersydeChrist almighty, PROVE THIS. Is a little empirical evidence too much ask? I don't give shit about your opinion, gut feeling or so-called educated guesses. Shit or get off the pot. When you do I'll shut up and let you go back to your totally irrational belief that by eliminating PS2 support, SE will somehow find the will and resources to vastly improve this game's player experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackstin
I'm not "butthurt" about anything. I play on PC for Christsakes. I may even convince myself to play the expansion without my PS2 dualbox character if SE convinces me its cool enough. When did elementary reading comprehension and following a conversation go from being a basic skill to a lost f*%king art? -
06-29-2012, 06:30 PMLlana_VirrenSE already proved it via their actions. SE is a business. Businesses do what is most economic. If there was enough of a player base on PS2 in NA, they'd still be getting support.Quote:
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06-29-2012, 06:32 PMAldersydeUh, FFXIV...?Quote:
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06-29-2012, 06:52 PMArconYes, because no one can provide such evidence. Sometimes best guesses are all there is to work with. And you're doing nothing else. You're screaming discrimination when you have absolutely zero evidence that that's what's going on. You say that PC gaming is not big in Japan, also with zero evidence (and which I believe to be wrong). Yet you condemn others for doing the same thing?Quote:
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06-29-2012, 07:37 PMDazusuNo solid evidence, but I do recall a poll done by SE a while ago on what platform people were using to play. It's quite possible that this decision is based on the outcome of that. I mean, what other logical reason could they have not to publish it in the USA? 'regional discrimination?'...Quote:
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06-29-2012, 08:50 PMRagingAvatar
If you think this game is going to get a lot of engine upgrades etc. if they drop PS2, you're wrong. It won't. There's still loads of ways they could push PS2 but that haven't.
There's no reason they couldn't have started using much better quality textures and lighting on 360/PC but they haven't.
360 and PC could be using a deferred renderer but it doesn't.
Don't kid yourselves guys that this game is going to get a whole bunch of upgrades - *that* wouldn't make economic sense.
Releasing (as a download) the PS2 content that a) will have already been made for Japan and b) has already been localised for PC and 360 has *nothing* to do with economics.
Releasing a disc version obviously does - but I can get over not having a disc version but asking for a download isn't asking for too much. -
06-29-2012, 11:36 PMDaniel_HatcherWhich was worked on almost immediately by removing the "problem" that was killing it and putting it back in charge of FFXI, then hiring competent people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
FFXIV was a failure because they did a BETA and listened to NONE of it's BETA testers, they've learned from their mistake.
It wont because it's cost ineffective. PS2 really can't be pushed much further, it's on it's last legs as it is. Hello "Auto Translate" etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingAvatar
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06-29-2012, 11:53 PMRagingAvatar
Removed - I was making a pointless argument.
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06-29-2012, 11:56 PMVoldYet it is getting a whole bunch of upgrades for the windows version. People also said it didn't make economic sense to make another expansion. Have we not learned yet that we're not knowitalls and that SE can do whatever the hell it wants/can with what dev crew they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingAvatar
But there is one thing I'm certain of and feel perfectly confident to say without a shred of doubt: It makes perfect sense to give an aging MMO upgrades. It's not about bringing in new players. It's about keeping existing players for as long as possible. If someone can't grasp that simple concept then there's no hope for them. When it comes to MMOs it can do a whole bunch of good to update your game to whatever extent you can. It absolutely breathes new life into a game by keeping it interesting.
SE understands this perfectly as they are spending resources on updating the windows version, and that's all that matters. I question their wisdom at times with some of the choices they make, but they certainly do understand what I am saying. It's only a matter of what their opinion is on us the players - can we or can we not live with say, no graphical updates. Or whatever. That's all it boils down to. They still bring in a shitmillion dollars every month. To say they are limited with what they can do due to income is lol. They could afford hundreds of new developers to put on FFXI. We don't need hundreds. We just need one to start work on a face lift to the game.
Point is, if SE wants to do it then they'll do it, and no amount of "gamer wisdom" via us to prove otherwise will change that.
Now, as far as this expansion goes, to us it may be as simple as throwing the exp files up online for download but obviously something is stopping that. It costs a lot more money to go through the disc format than it does online(case of gamer wisdom there? SE can be the judge since they know for a fact if it's true or not) Either there are technical reasons the PS2 outside of Japan is getting the shaft(like the Japanese have access to super PS2s or something because Sony still supports it in their country due to ease of doing so)or SE is in the beginning phrases of giving the PS2 das boot. Start with the extremely small PS2 base outside of Japan as a clear message to those in Japan, better start saving up for that 100 dollar computer over the next 3 years 'cause you're next. -
06-30-2012, 01:01 AMZerichSomeone's angry...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
1) Walk into Gamestop.
2) Look at the walls.
3) Ask employee about new PS2 releases.
4) Open any videogame magazine (sans RETROGamer or Nintendo Power) and find the PS2 reviews and previews.
If you were able to find out about any new or relevant PS2 software information, then you are in a wormhole and have found a way to trascend time and space. And for that, I congratulate you. -
06-30-2012, 04:57 AMTwilleQuoted for truth.Quote:
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06-30-2012, 05:25 AMJackstin
I'd like to ask a question, as well.
To those people who duel box. Have you bought both the PC and PS2 versions of all expansions, or have you bought the PS2 versions and torrented the PC versions.
I'm not accusing everyone of doing this, but I know that many do because they feel (incorrectly) that it is their legal right as they've bought the game once.
For this to be worthwhile for SE, they'd need to have a significant number of people willing to buy the game either just on PS2, or for both PS2 and PC. If people are just buying the game once, but taking advantage of SE releasing two versions, why would SE support that?
Clearly there aren't the numbers to do this, else they would release it. You may well argue that its just a stupid decision and stupid decisions are made all the time, but SE have far more information at their disposal than you or I do, so its pretty rich for you to criticise their business decisions, -
06-30-2012, 06:06 AMGilraen
Wow, people... way to overestimate the US market there. Reading some of these posts I have to cringe. You people DO realize that Japan is Square's home market, not the US, right? You DON'T piss off the home market. Do that and you're guaranteed to fail and hard. Dropping PS2 support would be shooting themselves in the head; not the foot, the head. Yes, I play on the PS2 version. Yes, I play it on a first generation PS3. No, I don't dual-box because paying $26 a month on one game is both crazy and beyond my willingness to spend (on a single game). And no, I don't run mules as I can't see spending another dollar on a character I'll rarely actively use.
I got into this game on the PS2 version (on a fat PS2 no less) and honestly, it's what I'm comfortable with. I'm not a huge game-o-phile so fancy graphics don't carry the same weight with me as it apparently does with most, and I don't feel I should be obliged as much as others. I didn't make the game, I don't really have any right to dictate how it's made or progresses. Nor does anyone else. Yeah, lack of PS2 release in the US has me miffed but most I can do is ask for a US release or, at worse, knuckle under and track down a PC version and the expansion. -
06-30-2012, 07:40 AMAldersyde1. Exactly, no hard evidence. Never been released. No, best guesses aren't good enough when you're basing your whole argument off of it. If you don't have evidence, you either have to (a) look harder for it or (b) back away from your position. I fail students for being unwilling or unable to do either. There's a lot of conclusive statements being thrown out without any evidence whatsoever and that drives me batty. I could tell people how to go about looking for it without using official SE sources but its not my position and I'm not doing work for lazy people.Quote:
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2. I said, to me, it appears to be regional discrimination and it feels like a big screw you from SE. I stated my argument in two posts pages before and I did not present it as fact but as a subjective feeling. I feel that way because SE has tried to implement differential options based on region before, as when SE implemented its new payment system. Maybe discrimination is too strong a word because of its negative connotations, but they have, in fact, tried to treat its playerbase differently based on where they live. In the end, it turned out that they could accept credit cards directly the NA player base but just chose not to, until people made an uproar about it.
3. I practice what I preach. I had read articles about the state of PC gaming in Japan before and that it what I base my opinion on. I did a google search and found information pretty easily on it. Obviously, it would be better if I could find some good hard stats on the numbers but some articles are the best I can do without being able to read Japanese.
http://injapan.gaijinpot.com/live/te...-and-the-west/
http://kotaku.com/5859162/the-countr...much/gallery/1
http://kotaku.com/5844588/why-japane...-more-pc-games
I also found a couple of forums discussing the state of PC gaming in Japan, where the general consensus is that consoles are much more popular in Japan:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...-PC-gaming-huh
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capc...y_by_Capcom_JP
History of gaming in Japan:
http://www.japaninc.com/cpj/magazine...97pcgames.html (little old, but concise)
That's with a simple search. I'm pretty confident in my original assertion that console gaming is much bigger in Japan. Most of the information is from 2010-2011. Of course, I'm open to new information, which is a lot more consideration and respect than has been shown to me. -
06-30-2012, 07:48 AMAldersydeExactly how does this method ascertain how many NA players are currently playing FFXI on the PS2, which is the whole crux of the matter?Quote:
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06-30-2012, 08:33 AMSiiri
It is like some ps2 players are 3 year old children screaming and jumping up and down, "But I want the expansion on ps2!!!."
Ps2 were released in 2000. People using them have been very lucky to have had them working and supported this long. I do not wish anyone to lose access, but SE has made a business decision. I have had 3 ps2 friends in the past 6 months have their ps2 devices break down. 2 switched to xbox , one quit. Sorry ps2 players, those are the breaks. Sony doesn't support these devices in the US, it was only a matter of time before SE quit making expansions for them.
If you want a console try the xbox, if you don't care get a pc. If you want to quit, go ahead and quit. If you feel you don't have the money to buy a new console or pc, you have 6-10 months. Throw aside 50 bucks a month or whatever by the time the expansion comes out you will have plenty to buy something. Acting like a spoiled baby isn't getting anyone's sympathy. Perhaps a valid argument can be made for downloadable content, I don't' know. If one is to be made though try not sounding like an entitled brat. -
06-30-2012, 09:46 AMCaspin
I look for Square Enix to have a DLC for Anyone still on PS2. They are not going to kill the Ps2 players. American, Europeon or Japanese. Square Enix really cant afford anymore bad PR, Square Enix isn't all stupid. Or least I hope there not now days. I think they learned there lesson.
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06-30-2012, 12:52 PMArconExactly the same as you, no hard evidence. You only brought one article that even said that PC gaming wasn't strong in Japan, and that article also said the the largest portion of the recent PC market growth came from there. The only other article on the topic is from 15 years ago, and no matter how well it is written, it cannot be used as an argumentative tool, but only as a historical base. The rest was just some barely related articles and some anecdotes from random people on some forums, which I'm sure you agree is not evidence at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
We don't have numbers, but we also have evidence, namely SE's reactions. Why do you think they did a quiz like that anyway? Why do you think they would dismiss a part of their userbase if it wasn't profitable to do so? It's a logical implication drawn from their actions. And it's not definitive, and we know that. But it's a good indication.
And one more thing you should consider is that "console gaming" does not implicate "PS2 gaming", as that's what this is about. The PS2 portion of the playerbase is dwindling, in Japan too. When a new player starts, they're not going to buy a game for a console that maybe even predates them. By today's standards, this game plays horrible. There is nearly zero incentive to buy this game on the PS2, unless you just discovered previous FF titles and wanna play this for completion's sake, and even then you're more than likely to get any other version you can unless you're a rabid Sony fanboy.
Firstly, I'm not trying to convince you. I was just commenting your misplaced craving for factual numbers, because no one can provide those, neither us nor you. Secondly, as I said before, there is evidence, just not hard evidence or proof. It is, however, enough to draw logical implications from it. And finally, if there's no evidence for either argument, there's still no reason to back away. That's when your position turns into a belief. And as long as you recognize that and don't defend it irrationally as a fact, you're free to remain there.Quote:
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No, you said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
With that you dismissed our arguments and said we're supporting discrimination, which is not what anyone is doing here. I'm aware that you said "seems like discrimination" before, but this was the post this particular argument originated from, and it's the one where you forced that opinion on us instead of just SE. With that, you called us discriminating as well, not just them. Also, you weren't the only one who argued discrimination, so it was not solely directed at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
That's my entire problem here. No one is denying the regionally biased treatment, but there does seem to be an underlying reason. Discrimination would mean prejudicial decisions, whereas this seemed like an economic one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
The reason why I support it is because it actually is a first step in the PS2-less direction. This decision on SE's part is not only a consequence of the dwindling NA/EU PS2 playerbase, but it's also a reminder to the JP folks, that this is in their future. This is a motivation for them to switch to another platform. Don't think that this will go unnoticed by the JP playerbase. It may actually help speed up their departure from the PS2.
Because it shows that there's zero or negative population growth in that department, whereas new PC players emerge daily (even more so recently, as it seems judging by various threads on the forums and people I meet in the game), further shifting the ratio away from PS2 gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
While offering the expansion as DLC would maybe not be economically bad in the short term, it may very well be in the long term, for the sake of phasing out the PS2 entirely. However, since I don't know when that would be, I can't really argue against you right now. It would, however, uplift the morale of the PS2 playerbase globally, which I consider to be a mistake. PS2 players should not be encouraged to keep playing on their outdated and outlived platform.Quote:
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06-30-2012, 12:55 PMZerichYou have to be trolling. I don't want to believe that there are people out there ignorant enough not to understand that printing expansion discs (and SE's favoritism for their JP base(see: FF Agito)) for the PS2 in NA, would not sell well at all in NA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldersyde
But seriously, are all the PS2 players on food-stamps or high-schoolers, cause I am scared shitless if they're legit. -
06-30-2012, 01:00 PMZeargiThis is far from true. Business do stupid things ALL the time. I mean, look at Disney, they throw money way like it's water. Sony... we all remember the PS3 launch. Anyone remember Squaresoft? And how it tanked horribly after a certain 3D Movie endeavor, and as such had to be bailed out by another Video game company, which then proceeded to R*** the original company's brand title in multiple spin-offs and sequels?? I bought my 360 to play two characters at once, because I didn't have that great of a computer. My computer is pretty decent now, but I still don't want to play on the PC. I don't like the set up, and as it is, it's not really THAT much of an improvement for me, because I don't have a HD monitor. (and not that I play games because they have to have awesome graphics) SE made an easy 60 bucks off me on my PS2 alone with the release of the 6 mini-expansion, ALL of which were digital. They did almost next to nothing because they were in zones that already existed or cloned areas that were re-landscaped (And that was removing the Crags...). While it's most definitely difficult to program... They are already doing the work, and it's not THAT hard to make a disc that has a multi-region code that allowed for people to continue to play by buying the game from SE directly, after all they are also a distributor. (that saying a disc is the only option, but that cuts-out the middle man and maximizes the profits.) And of course, I can also point out all the Abyssea mini-expansion which did add "New zones" were again completely Digital. So if this is indeed the 2012 and blah, blah, blah that everyone keeps saying. Why is it so hard to make it DIGITAL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Llana_Virren
Now, I'm gonna let you know... THIS MMO was a PS2 original, it was designed and debuted on the PS2 in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich