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03-18-2011, 03:52 AM
Chiibi

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Originally Posted by Starr

I'd be happy just to hear more of what's gonna be in the next major expansion, not too worried about when the servers actually go back up really

Most rational players are.
03-18-2011, 03:52 AM
TribalProphet

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

And I have to disagree. The constitutional right of free speech is not just the actual spoken word, it also covers written word, in ANY public fashion. Read the law.

The law says that the US Government cannot censor you in a public forum (be it spoken word, written, etc). "Freedom of Speech" has no bearing on a private company.

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

It might be their forum, but if it's public, they are not allowed to censor.

You just contradicted yourself. If it's their forum, then it is NOT public. This is really no different than if you woke up one day and someone you hired to paint your house was on your lawn tagging your house with graffiti. They have the right to be there, but they can't say "freedom of speech" about the graffiti because it is your personal property.

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

And at the very least they are certainly not allowed to link your game account to a forum post and ban you from the game for a comment on a forum. If they ban someone from the forum, that's all well and good imo, but don't threaten to ban me in-game as well.

If the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you signed up to post here say that they can, then 'yes', they are allowed to do that.
03-18-2011, 03:53 AM
Runespider

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Not everything is America, so don't bring up the Constitution in a JAPANESE RUN/CREATED website.

This is probably created and run from America, same rules apply though ofc. The internet doesn't have any free speech laws.
03-18-2011, 03:58 AM
Gadanae

Yeah, let's not get off-topic. Me recieving a PM with the (laugh) threat of a ban because I speak my mind is not the point of this forum.

As stated before, other MMO gaming companies with servers based in Japan are already back online and business as usual. I realize that they are human beings and I do sympathize with their plight, don't get me wrong, but business is business. If you accept money from someone for a service you provide, regardless of any influences it is your job to make sure that service is rendered. The free month is all well and good, but if the servers are going to be down into April, that free month imo don't mean squat. If that happens and the servers must stay down into April, then they better start talking about making May a free month as well. A free month to me is only good if you can play the game the entire month.

Also as stated before, SE's employees can certainly be right at the helm of censoring and removing content here on these forums but they can't keep us updated in a regular fashion about the status of the server reconnecton? I don't buy that. What the OP wants here is information as to when exactly the servers will be reinstated, and other MMO gaming companies based in Japan have had no problem with giving EXACT info when they will be back up. So why can't SE?

In before I get called a callous, rude, uncaring individual who has no respect for human life, all because I want a business to actually be responsible if they are going to take my money every month.
03-18-2011, 04:04 AM
Roxeater

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Yes they actually did this. And I have to disagree. The constitutional right of free speech is not just the actual spoken word, it also covers written word, in ANY public fashion. Read the law. It might be their forum, but if it's public, they are not allowed to censor. And at the very least they are certainly not allowed to link your game account to a forum post and ban you from the game for a comment on a forum. If they ban someone from the forum, that's all well and good imo, but don't threaten to ban me in-game as well.

1, 1st Amendment freedom of speech only applies to the government. Read the law.

2, Heres the simple answer don't play the game.
03-18-2011, 04:05 AM
Chiibi

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

In before I get called a callous, rude, uncaring individual who has no respect for human life, all because I want a business to actually be responsible if they are going to take my money every month.

You're a callous, rude, uncaring individual who has no respect for human life. Not because you want a business to actually be responsible if they are going to take your money every month. But because you try to hide it behind the fact you care about SE being a business.
03-18-2011, 04:10 AM
Dazusu

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Originally Posted by Runespider

This is probably created and run from America, same rules apply though ofc. The internet doesn't have any free speech laws.

13 289 ms 286 ms 292 ms squareco.asianetcom.net [203.192.149.210]
14 322 ms 297 ms 300 ms 61.195.56.121

Most definitely in Japan.
03-18-2011, 04:10 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

You're a callous, rude, uncaring individual who has no respect for human life. Not because you want a business to actually be responsible if they are going to take your money every month. But because you try to hide it behind the fact you care about SE being a business.

Thanks for the lol. And to the others that are still ranting about my post on freedom of speech, read my last post, and let it go already. My apologies for posting it. Let's stay on topic people.
03-18-2011, 04:10 AM
TribalProphet

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

As stated before, other MMO gaming companies with servers based in Japan are already back online and business as usual. I realize that they are human beings and I do sympathize with their plight, don't get me wrong, but business is business. If you accept money from someone for a service you provide, regardless of any influences it is your job to make sure that service is rendered. The free month is all well and good, but if the servers are going to be down into April, that free month imo don't mean squat. If that happens and the servers must stay down into April, then they better start talking about making May a free month as well. A free month to me is only good if you can play the game the entire month.

Also as stated before, SE's employees can certainly be right at the helm of censoring and removing content here on these forums but they can't keep us updated in a regular fashion about the status of the server reconnecton? I don't buy that. What the OP wants here is information as to when exactly the servers will be reinstated, and other MMO gaming companies based in Japan have had no problem with giving EXACT info when they will be back up. So why can't SE?

In before I get called a callous, rude, uncaring individual who has no respect for human life, all because I want a business to actually be responsible if they are going to take my money every month.

The company ISN'T taking your money this month. That means legally they can take 30 days off without putting the servers back up. If they need more time, they will extend their "free" period for as long as they need to.

We were told it would be gone until AT LEAST this Sunday. We are not due for another update until then. I understand you're going through withdrawal here as I'm sure a lot of people are, but we are not owed any more updates until the end of the weekend.

There is no reason to post repeatedly that you think SE is holding back information from us. It is very likely that SE doesn't know themselves if they will be back. They are at the mercy of the power company. None of us have any idea how SE or Sony or anything other company there is physically setup to run, so judging one based on another is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

If that happens and the servers must stay down into April, then they better start talking about making May a free month as well. A free month to me is only good if you can play the game the entire month.

Wow, so you want a BONUS of free time because of the earthquake/tsunami? I can't believe you're actually threatening SE if they can't come back online quick enough for you... Just, wow....
03-18-2011, 04:14 AM
Runespider

Personally I don't care about being unable to play, I don't even have anything to do if I could log on.. :(

I do care that this could damage a game I think a lot of though, I havent played FFXI for a while now but I've never once let my subs drop on mine or my sisters accounts.
03-18-2011, 04:19 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by TribalProphet

The company ISN'T taking your money this month. That means legally they can take 30 days off without putting the servers back up. If they need more time, they will extend their "free" period for as long as they need to.

We were told it would be gone until AT LEAST this Sunday. We are not due for another update until then. I understand you're going through withdrawal here as I'm sure a lot of people are, but we are not owed any more updates until the end of the weekend.

There is no reason to post repeatedly that you think SE is holding back information from us. It is very likely that SE doesn't know themselves if they will be back. They are at the mercy of the power company. None of us have any idea how SE or Sony or anything other company there is physically setup to run, so judging one based on another is pointless.

Wow, so you want a BONUS of free time because of the earthquake/tsunami? I can't believe you're actually threatening SE if they can't come back online quick enough for you... Just, wow....

1. They have already taken our money for this month, so that arguement is irrelevant.

2. If they are going to take our money for a service, it is not being difficult if players ask for more updates on when the servers are going to be back up. Other MMO companies, as stated before, that are based in Japan, have had no problem doing this so I don't see why SE should be any different. And yes I have a problem with the "AT LEAST until this Sunday" part. I don't see any other MMO company leaving it to the wind of when they will be back to business as usual, in fact I see them back online already, even with the rolling power outages.

Again, SE should be responsible and provide us with EXACTLY when the servers will be back up, and if that extends into April, then May should be a free month as well. And i'm not "threatening" SE as you put it, i'm just stating what is good business.
03-18-2011, 04:39 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

1. They have already taken our money for this month, so that arguement is irrelevant.

2. If they are going to take our money for a service, it is not being difficult if players ask for more updates on when the servers are going to be back up. Other MMO companies, as stated before, that are based in Japan, have had no problem doing this so I don't see why SE should be any different. And yes I have a problem with the "AT LEAST until this Sunday" part. I don't see any other MMO company leaving it to the wind of when they will be back to business as usual, in fact I see them back online already, even with the rolling power outages.

Again, SE should be responsible and provide us with EXACTLY when the servers will be back up, and if that extends into April, then May should be a free month as well. And i'm not "threatening" SE as you put it, i'm just stating what is good business.

oh for the love of....... NA SE employee don't know anymore then we do, SE gave us April fee free, if the servers are back up before the end of April, you are not getting May free as well -.- and really you use that freedom of speech thing way to much, this is a private forum that belongs to a company, they can censor you any way they want.

SE themselves most likely don't know what they are going to do at the moment, all they can do is plan for different scenarios, and there is no need for them to tell us stuff they might do, when there is no need to.

You want SE to be "responsible "? they sound like they are to me, keeping their servers off in the time of need for power.
03-18-2011, 04:46 AM
browolf

the ff14 letter from the producer gives a slightly better picture of the situation
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...etter+Producer

also begs the question why can't we have letters from the ff11 producer too.
03-18-2011, 04:49 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

oh for the love of....... NA SE employee don't know anymore then we do, SE gave us April fee free, if the servers are back up before the end of April, you are not getting May free as well -.- and really you use that freedom of speech thing way to much, this is a private forum that belongs to a company, they can censor you any way they want.

SE themselves most likely don't know what they are going to do at the moment, all they can do is plan for different scenarios, and there is no need for them to tell us stuff they might do, when there is no need to.

You want SE to be "responsible "? they sound like they are to me, keeping their servers off in the time of need for power.

Ok this is getting redundant. I didn't say that SE should just give us May for free in the first place. I SAID that if the SERVERS ARE DOWN FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME IN THE MONTH OF APRIL THEN MAY SHOULD BE FREE AS WELL. Not now folks, in April. APRIL, APRIL, APRIL. DID YOU READ THIS NOW THAT IT IS IN CAPS? Jeez, some people. READ DAMNIT.

Also, not every employee that works for SE is NA. Don't try and tell me that just because the employees that monitor the forums are NA, that they can't be kept in an informational loop from Japan. That's just ludicrous to say. It's as simple as sending an email with a status update about the servers. Really getting sick of people using that as an excuse for no info from SE as well.

AND AGAIN, I have dropped the topic of the "freedom of speech" thing so why don't you? That's not the topic of this forum.
03-18-2011, 04:53 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by browolf

the ff14 letter from the producer gives a slightly better picture of the situation
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...etter+Producer

also begs the question why can't we have letters from the ff11 producer too.

^+1 this. At least the producer of FFXIV realizes that it's fan base deserves more information, and doesn't treat it's player base like the plague when it comes to talking to us.
03-18-2011, 04:54 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by browolf

the ff14 letter from the producer gives a slightly better picture of the situation
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...etter+Producer

also begs the question why can't we have letters from the ff11 producer too.

mm nice find, it is good to hear that most of the workers and the facilities are safe.
03-18-2011, 04:57 AM
Runespider

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^+1 this. At least the producer of FFXIV realizes that it's fan base deserves more information, and doesn't treat it's player base like the plague when it comes to talking to us.

FF11 doesn't need to be so nice and open with its players since we are here for the game, 14 playerbase needs to be handled with kid gloves and they are trying to make the staff on that game into little celebrities. Idk one person that works on FFXI atm, I've seen a ton of the 14 staff.

This thread will probably be locked soon lol
03-18-2011, 05:03 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FF11 doesn't need to be so nice and open with its players since we are here for the game, 14 playerbase needs to be handled with kid gloves and they are trying to make the staff on that game into little celebrities. Idk one person that works on FFXI atm, I've seen a ton of the 14 staff.

This thread will probably be locked soon lol

I lol'd, mostly because I must wholeheartedly agree. The new candy being delivered by the man in the van is FFXIV and they are certainly going to try and make sure that what little player base they have for that game remains intact. Screw the people that play FFXI, they are addicts and will play our game no matter what so we don't need to give them info!

You're right, this thread will be locked soon. lol.
03-18-2011, 05:10 AM
Juri_Licious

In short. "I WANT FFXI BACK ONLINE, TELL ME STUFF NAO!"

/thread
03-18-2011, 05:11 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

In short. "I WANT FFXI BACK ONLINE, TELL ME STUFF NAO!"

/thread

Amen, you get it! I would give you a medal but you have no chest to pin it on!
03-18-2011, 05:13 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Amen, you get it! I would give you a medal but you have no chest to pin it on!

Disaster, "shit happens"

that is the only information you really need right now, we will be informed tomorrow or SAT
03-18-2011, 05:13 AM
Juri_Licious

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Amen, you get it! I would give you a medal but you have no chest to pin it on!

I'm sure if I use my THF tools I can open this chest up and store it in there.
03-18-2011, 05:20 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

I'm sure if I use my THF tools I can open this chest up and store it in there.

/clap. Nice comeback. Cmon, admit it, the reason you are on these forums right now is the same reason i'm on em. We are BORED TO DEATH and we need our FFXI back!!??!! :P
03-18-2011, 05:25 AM
Aengus

Not stating that I want SE to do anything detrimental to Japans electrical grid in starting the servers, and do empathize, but an update on server status would be greatly appreciated before Sunday. Then we at least know what the general outlook appears to be or the future, and yes I'm aware that its a dynamic situation, but any word is better than hearing nothing at this point. Unless everyone is out of the main office, which maybe the case (would be extremely weird but I'd run for the boonies if I was their), until Sunday.
03-18-2011, 05:25 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

/clap. Nice comeback. Cmon, admit it, the reason you are on these forums right now is the same reason i'm on em. We are BORED TO DEATH and we need our FFXI back!!??!! :P

I recommend you go here..... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...sy-XI-is-down.
03-18-2011, 05:29 AM
Juri_Licious

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

/clap. Nice comeback. Cmon, admit it, the reason you are on these forums right now is the same reason i'm on em. We are BORED TO DEATH and we need our FFXI back!!??!! :P

I'm on this forum for a few reasons, the main two reasons are:

1. OMG, WHY DO NATURAL DISASTERS RUIN MY ADDICTION!?!?!?
2. I like forums.
03-18-2011, 05:32 AM
Aengus

Sadly, I tried most of those, WoW trial gave me a headache after an hour, its just to ... loud or boxy or something for me (the design that is). Tried several free MMO's yet I'm really missing gaming just the ability to kill some time doing what I am used (conditioned) to doing, like logging on in the evening and chatting with friends, even if I don't step out of my mh.

Not to lighten what has happened, just stating that we all get used to what we consider normal, develop a routine, and unfortunatley don't plan much further than instant gratification (at least in this day in age/culture). Anyway, yea not like we don't know there are other things out there, it's simply a matter of what we prefer or have have gotten used too, plus I dont know anyone in any of those games... and never think to ask my ls mates what they play oh wellga... I'll go scrub the highway with a toothbrush again....
03-18-2011, 05:37 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

I'm on this forum for a few reasons, the main two reasons are:

1. OMG, WHY DO NATURAL DISASTERS RUIN MY ADDICTION!?!?!?
2. I like forums.

Again, I lol'd. How dare Mother Nature interfere with my gaming!!!
03-18-2011, 05:47 AM
Randwolf

First good news I've heard so far on the situation (From IAEA):

"Japanese authorities have informed the IAEA that engineers were able to lay an external grid power line cable to unit 2. The operation was completed at 08:30 UTC.

They plan to reconnect power to unit 2 once the spraying of water on the unit 3 reactor building is completed.

The spraying of water on the unit 3 reactor building was temporarily stopped at 11:09 UTC (20:09 local time) of 17 March."

While it won't suddenly put the reactor back on-line. It will make a big difference in how they can respond to the situation.
03-18-2011, 06:07 AM
Sukoshi

Back-up servers in California/Europe (Do you need it?) (Can I have it?) I love Japan and wish nothing more than for this disaster to not have happened, but for a company to not have an emergency back-up plan when something like this happens is kinda strange. They already lost over 70% profit this quarter on FFXIV being a failure and having to make it free. Now with both games shutdown for an unknown amount of time who knows what the outcome is going to be if there is little profit margin. If there were back-up servers everything could keep on rolling like it was with little to no service interruption and still have monthly fees and etc. coming in. It would also allow the people in Japan affected by this disaster to concentrate on there situations and not have to juggle to much with company issues by having it fall on the teams in EU and NA.
03-18-2011, 06:13 AM
Chiibi

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Originally Posted by Sukoshi

Back-up servers in California/Europe (Do you need it?) (Can I have it?)

No.No you can not.
03-18-2011, 06:43 AM
Dale

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Doesn't anyone find it kind of weird that they can't have the game on..... but they sure as hell are all over removing comments from threads on this website, and censoring everything put in it? Their employees are certainly there to do this but they can't turn a server back on? Fishy to me.

Also, SE don't send me another email threatening my account to be banned just because I speak my mind on a PUBLIC forum. Freedom Of Speech is a constitutional right in the U.S., and the next time you threaten me my lawyer will get involved. If you didn't want the people in the United States to have their say on these forums, then you shouldn't have given us access.

lol....

This is the most awesome post ever
03-18-2011, 06:45 AM
Eligia

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Originally Posted by Dale

lol....

This is the most awesome post ever

I second this. MMMMMURCAN PRIDE.
03-18-2011, 06:56 AM
Dale

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FF11 doesn't need to be so nice and open with its players since we are here for the game, 14 playerbase needs to be handled with kid gloves and they are trying to make the staff on that game into little celebrities. Idk one person that works on FFXI atm, I've seen a ton of the 14 staff.

This thread will probably be locked soon lol

OK this may be new most awesome post ever

This thread reads better than a novel lol
03-18-2011, 07:12 AM
windrider

Wtf way move it to America....... A country that also has quakes, tornado's, that move would be counter productive, If they were going to move it the move it to a Country like French, German or UK they at least dont suffer from the ill effects of horroric weather like America does!!
03-18-2011, 07:15 AM
Dale

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Originally Posted by windrider

Wtf way move it to America....... A country that also has quakes, tornado's, that move would be counter productive, If they were going to move it the move it to a Country like French, German or UK they at least dont suffer from the ill effects of horroric weather like America does!!

I don't care where they move it, long as it has enough power to run their servers lol
03-18-2011, 07:29 AM
RAIST

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Doesn't anyone find it kind of weird that they can't have the game on..... but they sure as hell are all over removing comments from threads on this website, and censoring everything put in it? Their employees are certainly there to do this but they can't turn a server back on? Fishy to me.

A website or forum can be hosted from anywhere in the world, and monitored from blackberry while you sit at Starbucks if you had to. Doesn't necessarily mean this is being run out of Japan atm. Could just as easily be done via one of their offices in CA or WA.

Raist
03-18-2011, 07:34 AM
Selzak

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Originally Posted by windrider

Wtf way move it to America....... A country that also has quakes, tornado's, that move would be counter productive, If they were going to move it the move it to a Country like French, German or UK they at least dont suffer from the ill effects of horroric weather like America does!!

lol

That's like saying, "At least Maryland doesn't suffer from the ill effects of horrific weather like America does!!"

While they probably shouldn't put them in California, if a major earthquake did hit California the servers would be fine in...well they'd probably be fine just next door in Arizona. Regardless, it's a ridiculous argument to say that they should move them because of one disaster in the 10+ years the game has been running. Stop to gather your perspective for a bit and then ask yourself if Japan is really too dangerous a place for them to have their servers. If anything they should have back ups in various locations, but I wouldn't know about the costs involved in that.
03-18-2011, 07:35 AM
Gadanae

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Originally Posted by Dale

I don't care where they move it, long as it has enough power to run their servers lol

/approve. If this company had any brains in it's leadership that would have been done years ago. Do you think companies like Blizzard have back up plans? Mirror Servers? Of course they do.

With as much money as SE has made, and the low cost of doing such a thing, why haven't/can't they.

Hope they learn something from this, and take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again in the future.
03-18-2011, 07:40 AM
Dale

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Originally Posted by RAIST

A website or forum can be hosted from anywhere in the world, and monitored from blackberry while you sit at Starbucks if you had to. Doesn't necessarily mean this is being run out of Japan atm. Could just as easily be done via one of their offices in CA or WA.

Raist

I think you are missing her point.

The point was SE emoployees seem to have the time to meticulously monitor these forums seeminlgy 24/7 and flood our emails with threats to bann our accounts, yet can't find the time to update us on a more accurate timeline for when their servers will be back up.

I actually had my account threatened cause i suggested some guy who flamed me in a very neurotic manner may want to consider therapy lol

I understand wanting to keep the forums clean, but let's not go overboard as the secret word police shall we.

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