NIN combinations

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Does NIN/PLD actually offer anything worthwhile that you can't get with NIN/WHM now? Slightly higher stats and HP, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Does NIN/PLD actually offer anything worthwhile that you can't get with NIN/WHM now? Slightly higher stats and HP, I suppose.

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Shield bash(Shield Mastery), Sentinel, Cover and can also fill-in the same red !! as /war; try doing that /whm. :rolleyes: Seriously though, it's worthwhile if they choose to use it as such. Ask them why they are /pld instead of /whm.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Does NIN/PLD actually offer anything worthwhile that you can't get with NIN/WHM now? Slightly higher stats and HP, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Bulrogg

Shield bash(Shield Mastery), Sentinel, Cover and can also fill-in the same red !! as /war; try doing that /whm. :rolleyes: Seriously though, it's worthwhile if they choose to use it as such. Ask them why they are /pld instead of /whm.

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/head asplode

NIN/WAR is the best support job for NIN I said it on 90% of my post here and I don't think I need to talk about /WAR again as best support job for NIN. Now you talk about some situational event. /PLD have nothing to bring and WTF shield bash???? You will sacrifice more DMG for a... shield bash???? What you gonna bring next time? NIN/BRD so you can self Madrigal? Dunno what you smoke, but you should slow down on it before you start about NIN/SMN...

I'm all for playing solo and experimenting with shit, but after the release of /DNC, there was pretty much no reason to sub anything else when you're soloing and level cap raise made it even more pointless because it gives you violent flourish now. The only really big irritant for /DNC is paralyze, and if you're going to be soloing anything challenging I hope you're carrying a few medicines to combat that.

Seriously, shield bash? Wat.

Also, one of the biggest advantages offered by /RDM or /WHM (Haste) can now be obtained by any sub by wearing Oynos Knife for a few turns. Whoop de do.

The only time i was every /anything-other-than-war was when i was soloing stuff and went /dnc. Whatever tiny benefits you might get from some oddball combo is dwarfed by the sheer kickassery that is nin/war.

/dnc is nice for staying alive when you're all alone, but finding one soul/mule to join you on your adventure(s) shouldn't be too hard.

Who said anything about fulling timing a shield? Never heard of a macro? No one seemed to get up in arms about it when it was previously suggested.

Perhaps you miss-read the OP. It asked what subs made the job more unique for each person, not cookie-cutter for everyone. We all know what the best job for cookie-cutter is.

Yes, /war is best (I knew it wouldn't be long before we're back to that) and /dnc is great for solo. But people still choose to utilize other support job options. As long as they know why they are subbing it, it is worthwhile to them. We've offered our input, but as we are not clairvoyants and you are the ones asking... why don't you track them down online and ask them why they are subbing it?

In regards to the mage support jobs, I believe people were discussing what subs WHMs should be using. The thread has gotten off track here and there. In regards to NIN I have seen /rdm only a handful of time and /whm even less.

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Who said anything about fulling timing a shield? Never heard of a macro?

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yeah man its so awesome that i get to stun once every 5 minutes where I need to waste a space carrying around a shield and clear all my tp as i do it instead of getting to do it once every 45 seconds that also gives tp back i am such a unique snowflake <3

Next you're going to tell me casting slow is the reason you would sub RDM. There's a really big difference between trying to find a really niche use for a unique build and just doing something dumb/totally pointless.

Thanks for jumping in, to catch you up--

We were talking about how /pld is similar to /drk and offers a more defensive combination in certain situations, especially forStun resistant mobs. But in the interest of asinine post, some asked what other uses /pld had that /whm couldn't provide. Then hilarity ensued.

No /pld isn't as viable as it was in the previous years. And we all know the real reason to /rdm is for convert. :rolleyes:

In short: the best event sub is /war and the most commonly used solo sub is /dnc. Other than that, people are exploring their own support job combinations to see what uses they have.

Yeah...we're talking about unique combinations that offer something other subs don't give, which PLD doesn't give. At all. All the stuff it gives is redundant with other subs and pretty much always does it inferiorly. Also, PLD sub was never useful.

Ninjas have a defense line for stun-resistant mobs, it's called Utsusemi. If you're seriously up against one of those few monsters that are both stun-resistant and can -ga you half to death your MDT set and waltz spam should be more than enough to keep you alive, especially if you augmented Anwig/Desultor with DNC-related abilities (MDT/WaltzRecast PDT/WaltzTPCost respectively, that way they serve double duties, because only like 1 person in the universe has Suijin Kabuto).

Is there even a shield that nin can equip?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Is there even a shield that nin can equip?

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http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...%27s_Targe.gif

Latent: /PLD

(they are other lv30 "Latent" shield but I pick /PLD one)

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http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ion_Scutum.png

Drop from a zNM: Mahjlaef the Paintorn

You can have this too if you where at the fan festival 2008:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...gle_Shield.png

So I don't think it's even worth mentioning NIN/PLD to "use a shield".

I don't know about you, but that "AGI+2" and that "MP recovered while healing +5" sure seem mighty enticing.

This is why I can't find respectable Ninja's these days? -_-

Thanks for depressing a dedicated Ninja since 2003.

Kaerin, I'm surprised you have the strength to continue arguing in every thread that's ever made. It's impressive first of all and it's ... confusing as well. Your tenacity knows no bounds.

I personally use /WAR. Always. I also have a WHM/BLM dual box I tow around with me wherever I go. When drops matter it's WHM/THF with a TH sash. If necessary I have a triple box bard I never care to run. I'm only ever /DNC if I'm going to campaign and I'm too lazy to log in my dual box. I've only ever been /SAM in ballista (60 cap haydays), /COR in ballista (60 cap again), or /DRK when it was useful.

I never carry warp scrolls. I'm a GD ninja. My 2 hour takes care of that for me, lol. I let my dual box die if I have to for warp (as WHM/THF). Otherwise it's /BLM. There's a point of efficiency at which a USABLE dual box exceeds it's usability as a dual box. And no matter how much better I make my alt WHM, I can't use it any better because I'm dual boxing. So it doesn't really matter to me. /BLM works perfectly fine. Stun is a freaking boss.

I prefer to represent Ninjas in the best case possible when I'm in groups. That means going /WAR, and sucking it up when I'm stuck in the Black Mage party. I'm a Ninja and I try to be the best, because that's what I like.

Someone asked earlier who keeps hitting the "Like" button on Kaerin's posts, I know I've been liking them, because he knows what he's talking about. When it comes down to it, nothing is more optimal than WAR. And I'm not going to reiterate all the truth Kaerin's been saying because there's no need to, he's hit it spot on.

I have a RDM mule because I'm way too lazy to level WHM and gear it; because Cure 4 is more than enough for me--because I rarely ever get hit. Even in Dynamis I prefer /WAR and let my mule do THF/DNC, and things get killed a bit faster. Personally I have to agree with Langly, its hard to find respectable NINs on our server. I watch NINs who can't even use Issekigan correctly (IE throwing it up before you're engaged, using it while a mob is facing someone else) and people who still TP in Empyrean hands even after they gave us Koga +2. I shudder every time I see ANY job other than THF sub DNC. It seems most people who played NIN seriously at the 75 cap understands the job a bit more comprehensively than anyone who leveled it post 75.

There's a person I've met on our server who impose that common knowledge in joining Voidwatch pickups on NIN is to be /DNC. While I will oblige if I'm asked, I will never assume that my default sub will be anything other than /WAR, because I know what I'm there for: Some supplementary damage and katana/ninjutsu procs. Wasting TP and time on steps and sambas slows down my dps and overall damage. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I'm going to be the one doing a large portion of the damage, that's what BLM, WARs, SAMs and Resolution are for.

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Originally Posted by Faule

Kaerin, I'm surprised you have the strength to continue arguing in every thread that's ever made. It's impressive first of all and it's ... confusing as well. Your tenacity knows no bounds.

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Need stuff to do while I play Fishing Fantasy XI, cause Diablo 3 sucks after 2 weeks. Maybe GW2 will be fun.

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Originally Posted by ThaiChi

Someone asked earlier who keeps hitting the "Like" button on Kaerin's posts, I know I've been liking them, because he knows what he's talking about. When it comes down to it, nothing is more optimal than WAR. And I'm not going to reiterate all the truth Kaerin's been saying because there's no need to, he's hit it spot on.

I have a RDM mule because I'm way too lazy to level WHM and gear it; because Cure 4 is more than enough for me--because I rarely ever get hit. Even in Dynamis I prefer /WAR and let my mule do THF/DNC, and things get killed a bit faster. Personally I have to agree with Langly, its hard to find respectable NINs on our server. I watch NINs who can't even use Issekigan correctly (IE throwing it up before you're engaged, using it while a mob is facing someone else) and people who still TP in Empyrean hands even after they gave us Koga +2. I shudder every time I see ANY job other than THF sub DNC. It seems most people who played NIN seriously at the 75 cap understands the job a bit more comprehensively than anyone who leveled it post 75.

There's a person I've met on our server who impose that common knowledge in joining Voidwatch pickups on NIN is to be /DNC. While I will oblige if I'm asked, I will never assume that my default sub will be anything other than /WAR, because I know what I'm there for: Some supplementary damage and katana/ninjutsu procs. Wasting TP and time on steps and sambas slows down my dps and overall damage. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I'm going to be the one doing a large portion of the damage, that's what BLM, WARs, SAMs and Resolution are for.

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Hear hear Kelga. I'm far too passionate about NIN so when I see the things we see... I weep ninja tears. You can't see them but they kill beluga whales.

And I'm sure you have situations where even you will out DD the relics and empy's in the DD party. I know I have many times. So I keep going /WAR. And I keep doing my best.

@Kaerin lol Fishing Fantasy XI. Love it.

NIN/NIN best combo. That is all.

Ehh, why not NIN/BRD!

Raptor Mazurka, activate ! !! !


What?

That WAS a practical sub before the nerf...

NIN/DNC is for people who don't have a mage mule to keep them alive, or for low-man/solo situations where a reliable stun is needed (though can be subbed for /DRK instead).

Yeah if I'm solo-ing then I'm always NIN/DNC, just to be able to heal myself more conveniently, and use spectral jig. But anytime I'm with a party it's NIN/WAR.

NIN/BST if I can. All hail Innin.

NIN/DNC if I can't. Die.

NIN/WAR if I can get a goddamn EXP group that needs one. Manji shuriken anyone?

NIN/BLM for funny ol' BCNM 40's. Pat Sajak wears shinobi-tabi.

NIN/THF for Sneak Attack. Ing everything that doesn't aggro to sound because I don't have the inventory for tools.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

NIN/BLM for funny ol' BCNM 40's. Pat Sajak wears shinobi-tabi.

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NIN/RDM was better^^

i'm sorry but /WAR is only effective when in a party to begin with, but the way this game is now 90% of the time you're solo'ing in areas that an adv. fellow isn't accessable in so using /DNC is your only viable option. but seriously /war for everything? lol you've never played as ninja if you said that with a straight face.

I Play NIN from the good old time when the LV caps was lv75. Still today, I play NIN/WAR solo or duo. To be honest, subbing other job isn't helping at all.

/DNC? Yeah you can cure and such but you lose a HUGE amount of DMG output by losing double attacks, attack bonus, and war cry and berserk. Not mention since you using TP to keep samba and other DNC stuff that reduce WS use.

/BST? Seriously? Play BST instead, you will gain much from it anyway.

With /WAR, not only I can kill faster, but I barely need cure. If I need cure badly, like killing NM, /DNC won't help me anyway. I prefer asking a friend to come as WHM (or bring my mule. Instead).

NIN/WAR is the best for many purpose. But at the end, you play NIN as you like

I like to sub RUN. I like to think the element buffs you get help out.

I admit /RUN can be an option, but since my RUN is way under leveled, I won't comment about it. But the magic defense from /RUN could be helpful. But as sub, do you get enough bonus to be useful again HNM? I don't know.

With the other buffs you can cast it should help quite a bit.

sub dnc, even though ive got a sch mule i cant help but go /dnc just a bad habit, but tbh nowadays im always nin/thf for TH