Double attack vs haste

I could be wrong, but I think lore slops are the only mdt pants mnk can wear, but havent tried to find anything else.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

For Asuran, back in the day, it was 25 ws acc 4 str, 5 attack.

For smite, it's 4 str 15 ws acc, 2% ws dmg. I was going to get 2% crit dmg, but it came out to be about identical to the 4 str, making any situation where even 1 point of acc is needed makes the str hat a much better choice.

And yes, it beats Aias

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Very cool, I'll have to re-roll my hat.

Edit: Lore slops, yeah. You can pick up a pair with random shit augments from Abyssea (Attohwa I think?) if you can't find any on the AH.

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Originally Posted by Loir

actually quick question and slight derail, whats your guys mdt set looking like?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/172966

I've had a odd time finding something to supplement into the pants that wouldn't add an inv space.

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i use lore slops (i got a free pair w/ cure cast time -6% on it for my rdm, so already had) which gives -1%, and colossus mantle, which gives -2%. (i don't have denali yet >.>), so i cap w/ unmerrited shell 5. otherwise your setup looks really strong.

Already sitting at 24% for mdt and any whm i'd be with would have capped shell merits. Looking more at mdeff or more attractive hp or heck even INT pant.

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Originally Posted by Loir

actually quick question and slight derail, whats your guys mdt set looking like?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/172966

I've had a odd time finding something to supplement into the pants that wouldn't add an inv space.

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You're not looking at the big picture, really.

You'll be meleeing while these mobs are casting spells and if it's something that casts a lot of spells,then you'll be losing a lot of damage.

W/ shellra V, you only need 23 MDT to cap your reduction. w/ just that I find myself to be fine on pretty much everything. I don't really use anything for MDB, after capping MDT, I use damage gear.

I use this set and am able to maintain capped haste while capping MDT

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/194794

I'm not sure how you'd work around that w/ shadow ring, but I'd work for something similar.

Melee Hose are probably your best bet for HP (second best is Prince's Slops at +30).

Sangoma Lappa are INT+6 if you want to go that route. MNK can't get MDB in the pants slot that I'm aware of.

Edit: I just assumed standing MDT. If you're engaged, what CS has above looks solid.

I had a mix set before actually with pretty much the same layout and for the most part i found my timing to when a mob would nuke to be fairly well on. Sure i'll say there is some human error involved but most mobs have a fairly standard set to AI when they would nuke and planning to that isn't that bad. I'll probably bring back out my other set for fights where i'd see more random insta cast nukes or heavier casting spammed mobs then.

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Originally Posted by Loir

Already sitting at 24% for mdt and any whm i'd be with would have capped shell merits. Looking more at mdeff or more attractive hp or heck even INT pant.

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edit: beaten lol

my rani tanking these days is pretty much just easy mode of proc'ing blue and having our armageddon cor come and wildfire two shot the rest of rani and hug the martello till the next blue proc.

Mmmm how to word this. Not trying to act or sound superior but pre-shift to DD tanking before abyssea did you guys do any main tanking on pld and nin back in the day?

I used PLD a fair amount back in the day, why do you ask?

Weird personal quirks that you get from tanking for eons. It was more a defense to the full out mdt set, I am usually trying to time myself into it right when the mobs spell would be near finished casting.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I'm not sure how you'd work around that w/ shadow ring, but I'd work for something similar.

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Minerva's covers the two merman's rings so i'd be fine. Think I had the solea in there instead of the af3 boots to get some mdeff in but I'll just swap it over.

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Originally Posted by Loir

Weird personal quirks that you get from tanking for eons. It was more a defense to the full out mdt set, I am usually trying to time myself into it right when the mobs spell would be near finished casting.

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I play wirelessly from one of my neighbors. That's frankly not an option for me lol. I'd never have a good enough connection for that.

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Originally Posted by Loir

Weird personal quirks that you get from tanking for eons. It was more a defense to the full out mdt set, I am usually trying to time myself into it right when the mobs spell would be near finished casting.

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Yeah, I gotcha. I have both, I'm just lazy and tend to just use my Hybrid set and let my Whm make up the difference as long as nothing can one-shot me.

In regards to who initially came up with the formulas for things like fSTR, pDIF, Haste, WSC and the like, I don't know exactly who it was other than that they were JPs. The information was always published on studio gobli though.

http://www32.atwiki.jp/studiogobli/

Much of the testing procedures and data for newly discovered information is posted on there. It might be there for the older parts of the formulas, I really don't know. I do know, however, that the old formulas have been verified by countless players, myself included, to degrees of accuracy that are in most cases exact. We do know that they work.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I play wirelessly from one of my neighbors. That's frankly not an option for me lol. I'd never have a good enough connection for that.

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I seem to remember this lol

Ugh and just cause I know this has been bugging me and I know its been asked in the RQT add nauseum. Looking at downing the last of chloris stage of verth and trading my way too many fangs in soon after servers are up. Presuming identical gear as your smite, if you had ire torque +1 would you use that over the gorget in acc capped situation. I think I recall you saying that it would be better but not worth the cost since post 90 there would be a chance of something better or that was defense to the beir belt+1.

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Yeah, I gotcha. I have both, I'm just lazy and tend to just use my Hybrid set and let my Whm make up the difference as long as nothing can one-shot me.

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Started out as taru nin tank way back in the day so always been overcautious to things doing the oneshot BS. Learned to have to maximize what I had to work with. With abyssea obviously doesn't matter but there is the odd thing here and there outside that I would probably not want to take the full brunt of the dmg.

Though I type that and I can't really tell you what that is.

i've only ever tanked on mnk, but i was tanking a lot on mnk well before abyssea, and back in my HNM days, i tanked (intentionally lol) on sam a lot of the time. mnk was where i picked up all my ticks and instincts tho (sam was mostly "swap into arhats and hope third eye lasts more than 4 seconds").

the reason i try to keep as much DD gear on is because a couple of the whms in my shell don't play with blink-me-not, so if i really took it in the teeth from something, i stay in my MDT set for the 2-3 seconds to get cured up before blinking back to my full DD set.

Tell them what <stpt> and <stal> do so you can DD better and they can heal better, win/win.

I think that was his nice way of saying they suck.

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Originally Posted by Martinius

i've only ever tanked on mnk, but i was tanking a lot on mnk well before abyssea, and back in my HNM days, i tanked (intentionally lol) on sam a lot of the time. mnk was where i picked up all my ticks and instincts tho (sam was mostly "swap into arhats and hope third eye lasts more than 4 seconds").

the reason i try to keep as much DD gear on is because a couple of the whms in my shell don't play with blink-me-not, so if i really took it in the teeth from something, i stay in my MDT set for the 2-3 seconds to get cured up before blinking back to my full DD set.

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Personally done the full scope of Nin in its prime to pld as the reliable tank to sam/nin on anything I could while monking in salvage and when abyssea came out I fought for sam but RR took a piss all over that and I've been happily monking since. I recall when we would get new recruits, back when the huge debate about blinking was still in favour of don't (pre BlinkMN), sticking them on whm and letting them cuss me out so can feel where you are coming from. But as the above poster said <stal> <stpt> are boss.

lol i wasn't saying that those whms suck, but i blink A LOT, so it's the one compromise i try to offer is that you're gonna hate me while i double blink every 10-15 seconds of a fight, if i really took it in the teeth (which is basically rani nukes, serpentine tail and nuke > double tp move from amhuluk), then i'll wait for the cure 5/6 to land before swapping back to full DD gear. part of it is also i have rdm and whm and so i know the frustration on the other side (tho ya, i live off of <stal>, <stpt> and my personal favorite /ta <stwhatever> + <lastst>. :3

i hear you on sam lol. when abyssea came out, i got my mnk, rdm and blm up asap, and then i took out my sam once in an exp pt and promptly declared that job retired. it just couldn't keep up.

EDIT: beaten

Didn't learn right away, got masamune... though I did get some nice use out of it when we did the dynamis grind to 90 for our relic users.

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Originally Posted by Musahashi

Believe what you want, replace STR and Haste gear if you like, I won't be as previously mentioned. Because at the end of the day, there are many theories on dmg output floating around, to follow them blindly puts you in the same boat as everyone who once thought the world was flat.

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