[dev1097] Newly Added Control Config.

On the 360 version the RT and LT triggers are assigned to macros. That is what people want to do on the pc but can't.

you need special drivers to assign the triggers to be able to be used in XI, as it is now you can assign one trigger but not both because they are on the same axis(something I think microsoft was very stupid for doing), if they were on separate axis you would be able to use both without special drivers or xinput support, however there is also the fact that if you don't have special directx drivers for the controller you also do not get feedback from the motors in the controller from any directx game that supports it, XI is one of the games that supports feedback on directx controllers, it might be a miner thing but that feedback adds a bit of feel to the game I really like having

I never knew that XI supported force feedback.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I never knew that XI supported force feedback.

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it does if you have the right drivers for your controller

Kupo bump!!!

I configured the Xbox controller and the only ones there is no configuration for are the triggers for macros. I was so disappointed and had to go back to ps3 controller.

I own a XBOX 360 controller, and I support the triggers for macros button like I would on a Xbox 360.

At this point it's probably pretty useless for us to bump this (or the other) thread.
Still I came up with a cool solution which is not a real "solution" for our problem, but it's still a decent compromise.

http://www.speedlink.com/?p=2&cat=4131&pid=25492&paus=1

This gamepad for PC has a specific setting that allows it to work both in Xinput and in Dinput modes.
This grants it full compatibility with ALL games. Xinput for recent ones, and Dinput for very old ones like FFXI.
With a pad like this, if you set it on "Dinput" mode you'll be able to use all buttons even in FFXI.
Then set it on "Xinput" and use all buttons on FFXIV too or any other recent game.

I'm seriously considering to buy it since SE, it's pretty clear now, will never do anything to "fix" this issue of ours. (not like it would have been easy to fix it, to be honest, but still...)

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

At this point it's probably pretty useless for us to bump this (or the other) thread.
Still I came up with a cool solution which is not a real "solution" for our problem, but it's still a decent compromise.

http://www.speedlink.com/?p=2&cat=4131&pid=25492&paus=1

This gamepad for PC has a specific setting that allows it to work both in Xinput and in Dinput modes.
This grants it full compatibility with ALL games. Xinput for recent ones, and Dinput for very old ones like FFXI.
With a pad like this, if you set it on "Dinput" mode you'll be able to use all buttons even in FFXI.
Then set it on "Xinput" and use all buttons on FFXIV too or any other recent game.

I'm seriously considering to buy it since SE, it's pretty clear now, will never do anything to "fix" this issue of ours. (not like it would have been easy to fix it, to be honest, but still...)

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If you do get one, please post a review or something. I'm tempted to order it, but I'd rather wait til someone has actually tried it first because they don't seem to be available in the US and that makes returns pretty much impossible for me.

I've used a few of the logitech controllers, but they break pretty often. The buttons are just plain crap. I've found a work around in that I just keep buying the bottom of the line usb controller and taking parts out of it to rebuild the wireless one when it breaks. And this is the controller that I only use for my alt.

So far my best experience has been with the xbox 360 controllers and the JP drivers, but I haven't had any luck getting the wireless driver to work with the adapter I bought on amazon. I'm pretty sure that it's because it is a knock off and not an official Microsoft wireless kit (it says Microsoft and all that on it, but I'm pretty sure it's a knock off), but I'm not willing to spend $60 on another one from best buy to find out. SUre would be nice if I could find the adapter sold separately from the controller. :/

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So far my best experience has been with the xbox 360 controllers and the JP drivers

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Those are awesome but:
1) They don't work on the wireless pad (the one I linked is wireless instead, altough there is also a wired version)
2) They do create issues with newer game (for instance when I was using my JP drivers with my wired Xbox360 pad, it was working perfectly with FFXI (dinput) but they weren't working good for TERA and FFXIV (dinput)

With a gamepad like the one I posted, you should be able to use and configure all buttons no matter what the game is, no matter if it's an old one using dinput or a recent one using xinput.

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Originally Posted by Renaissance2K

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

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Oh I didn't know this pad had this specific function, sounds just as good as the pad I posted, altough ergonomics-wise I like mine better (concave thumbstick, right thumb and digital swapped around).
Thanks anyway! Really nice addition to the thread :)

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Originally Posted by Renaissance2K

I use the Logitech F710 with FFXI on PC. There's a hardware switch between the shoulder buttons that lets you toggle between a legacy mode (for FFXI) and a modern mode (for Xbox 360 Gamepad compatibility).

It's pretty good, and includes a tiny "Nano" receiver so you don't need to have an anaconda coming out of your box, but they do include an extension in case reception isn't that great from where you normally play.

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Yeah, I forget the model number, but the one I have is just the older model. I'm pretty sure it shares the same crappy X Y A B buttons with the 710 / 310. They seem to start sticking really badly after a little while. Have they improved on them at all? I haven't checked out the newer model. I've just been replacing them with buttons from the 310 when they start jamming since those controls are cheap on the web.

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

Those are awesome but:
1) They don't work on the wireless pad (the one I linked is wireless instead, altough there is also a wired version)
2) They do create issues with newer game (for instance when I was using my JP drivers with my wired Xbox360 pad, it was working perfectly with FFXI (dinput) but they weren't working good for TERA and FFXIV (dinput)

With a gamepad like the one I posted, you should be able to use and configure all buttons no matter what the game is, no matter if it's an old one using dinput or a recent one using xinput.

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Yeah, I'm aware of the issues with those drivers. I still don't understand why this would be difficult at all for SE to fix though. If people are doing it for free then it should be a walk in the park for a paid staff to knock out.

Like I said, let me know if the quality of that control is up to snuff. I'd love to get one, but since it can't really be returned for a refund if it sucks, I don't want to play guinea pig.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Yeah, I forget the model number, but the one I have is just the older model. I'm pretty sure it shares the same crappy X Y A B buttons with the 710 / 310. They seem to start sticking really badly after a little while. Have they improved on them at all? I haven't checked out the newer model. I've just been replacing them with buttons from the 310 when they start jamming since those controls are cheap on the web.

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I had the Logitech Rumblepad 2 for many, many years before buying the 710. If that's the one to which you're referring, the 710 is a dramatic improvement, though I never had sticking issues with the Rumblepad. The buttons are closer to those on the 360, though they require a bit more pressure.

But yeah, I know gamepads are like ties, and that everybody has their own preferences and tastes. The legacy/modern switch seemed like a godsend for an FFXI user, but probably not if you've had bad experiences with Logitech controllers in the past.

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Originally Posted by Renaissance2K

I had the Logitech Rumblepad 2 for many, many years before buying the 710. If that's the one to which you're referring, the 710 is a dramatic improvement, though I never had sticking issues with the Rumblepad. The buttons are closer to those on the 360, though they require a bit more pressure.

But yeah, I know gamepads are like ties, and that everybody has their own preferences and tastes. The legacy/modern switch seemed like a godsend for an FFXI user, but probably not if you've had bad experiences with Logitech controllers in the past.

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I don't know what it is. Maybe I just have bad luck with logitech. I've been playing with this Xbox control since they launched the game on Xbox. I moved it to my PC when my original Xbox broke and I've been using it ever since. In the same span of time, I've worn out buttons on 4 of the rumblepads.

The last time I took it apart, I removed the motors and filed the edges of the buttons in an attempt to make them last longer. So far so good, but I'm still reluctant to buy another wireless one. I duuno, all this talk has me wondering though. Maybe I'll give it another shot. Costco still lets you return pretty much anything right? :P

I'm still hoping to see a dev respond to this, I can't understand why they can't update the controller software to work with xbox controllers.

Update:

So I found the Xbox 360 PC controller kit on sale for $35 bucks at best buy while I was buying a bunch of mis-priced battery backups for work (750 VA APC UPS units for $39 which are usually $89-$119) and I used a $10 off coupon I had to get it at $25.

It turns out that I was right. The "Microsoft" controller kits they sell on Amazon are knockoffs. The real Microsoft kit works perfectly with the JP drivers. YAY Me!

So don't go buying the Xbox 360 wireless controller kits off Amazon if you plan to use it for FFXI. Buy them from a legit source.