I was soloing T+ crabs on my WAR having 3 regen atmas on. You might have to deviate from the norm some to allow something, but the ability's there. No Utsusemi or Seigan/Third Eye was involved.Quote:
Can you solo them?
More specific to the training idea, an old thing I had in the past that was in any city you could enlist in a program where, for every hour you're offline, you can maybe get 1-3 levels in a chosen skill. When you log back in, you just pay a small gil fee and the skill ups become official. Going out in the field should technically be faster, but for things like Guard and Parry, this would be a godsend.
The FFXI "Gyms of Vana'diel" Self Improvement Reborn!
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03-17-2011, 02:59 PMSeriha
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03-17-2011, 03:45 PMJar
Should also Add a quick easy PvP portion to this! just 1v1 no temp items just an all out brawl!
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03-17-2011, 04:57 PMHaldarn
This is a fantastic idea kingfury. The graphics really help me visualise exactly what you meant (and I like the style too!). Your post got me to thinking though...
You mention a modified Mog House as the Gymnasium. Obviously this would need to be coded and would take up more disk space etc. etc. so how about using areas that already exist for the training? I'm referencing the thirty-or-so single room battlefields that are used for mission fights, BCNMs, ENMs and ISNMs (are there more? - I will admit that I haven't explored all of that kind of content in the game yet...). The more remote the location of the battlefield, the higher the tier of the training regimes that could be undertaken there.
Basically, you would enter the Gym Lobby and an NPC there could teleport you - for a small amount of tokens (with the exception of the very lowest tier, naturally) - to the entrance of the particular battlefield of your choice. You would have had to have made a visit previously to 'unlock' them, a la Abyssean Cavernous Maws. After teleporting, you select the entry point and the list of battlefields appears as normal, with "Gyms of Vana'diel" as a new option (AT THE TOP!!). When the battlefield is completed or you exit, you are teleported back to the Lobby (cue stacks of k.o.ed corpses appearing in the Gym Lobby). If you complete all Regimens at a given battlefield, you get a title (!).
This would also have a side-effect of being able to get an NPC warp to these remote locations (for Tokens) if you had another purpose there, whether it be a BCNM or merely farming adjacent areas.
Another form of 'recycling' of content we already have may be to pop the Gymnasium Lobby NPCs in the Chocobo Circuit so that the area can be accessed from all five cities.
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03-17-2011, 07:48 PMZarabi
I support this idea. ^_^
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03-17-2011, 07:49 PMslakyak
If this happens I hope they call one of the NPC's Kingfury!!
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03-17-2011, 08:05 PMZarabi
Oh yeah make an Galka NPC named King Fury. :D Haha woot.
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03-17-2011, 08:22 PMkingfury-------Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunni
Yep ^^ in my first thoughts, there would be at least one npc standing in between two training room entrances to cater to the design that folks would be inviting others inside frequently to participate in regimens. As for zoning into the Gym itself, there would definitely be an npc or two outside the Gymnasium entrance readily offering information as to what wonders await inside, but I would opt for just an easy-smeezy "Run in Zone" or the "Click the Door to Zone" entrance that would then load the Gymnasium Lobby. Sort of like how the Tenshodo Door zone works. If it made things less system heavy for there not to be a separate "Zone" in the first place, I'd say go with that, but I'd imagine the Gyms would eventually become as popular as poor Port Jeuno became, having pools of players just hanging out there day after day. So I would think having another zone to ease the normal city area congestion may help a lot.
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There are of course a myriad of different ways such an entrance could be done though, so if it came down to what would make it easiest on the programmers, I'd say go with whatever option that is lol. I just want the place to exist ^^; Thanks for the suggestion /salute -
03-17-2011, 08:54 PMkingfury
***EDIT TO ORIGINAL POST***
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RECREATIONAL GAMES
Gymnasium Games
The Adventurer's Mutual Aid Network (A.M.A.N), founders of these wonderfully diverse Gyms, realized the need to incorporate even more diversity into what activities players could enjoy whilst inside these walls after analyizing the success of the Fields of Valor programs. Thus after careful consideration of the fact that there are so many hard working men and women in Vana'diel, the A.M.A.N thought it only right to add special "Gymnasium Games" that these well-deserved folks could enjoy after a long days work or adventure.
Description: Full details coming soon. Possible Games include:
-PvP
-Survival
-Time Attack
-Enemy Hordes
-TP/MP Bonanza
-and more
Extra Notes: A special functionality will be birthed from the Gymnasium Games called "Player Challenges", which could offer tournament-style leader boards, that could yield even more rewards (like special Medals) to the highest achievers within the Gym Games.
Post Notes: Please bare with me as I will post the details 1st, but I will want to add illustrations soon after.
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03-17-2011, 09:23 PMSamunai
hae no raed a word (ok maybe three or four ;) ) but i <3 ur drawings :D
nah good idea, looks similar to the fields of valor but if we dont loose exp when we die (and have auto-rr?) then its realyl cool :D (sounds like a mix of WoE and Fields of Valor imo :) ) -
03-17-2011, 09:36 PMviion
This is absolutely amazing, awesome work
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03-17-2011, 09:45 PMNzinga
I like this idea! And the illustrations are amazing!
It definitely sounds more fun than just standing in Windy spamming cure and protect on myself to level those. If there we could party like you said then I am sure a lot of people would want to participate. ^^ -
03-17-2011, 09:55 PMLollerblades
I back this idea 100% it sounds really fun and well planned and if implemented would breathe some extra life into Vana'diel :D
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03-17-2011, 09:55 PMSavannah
I +1 this thread :)
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03-17-2011, 10:35 PMkingfury-------Quote:
Originally Posted by Seriha
Truely, to be very honest, I thought of this idea initially, but I'm almost certain random free skill up points would not sit well with neither players or SE lol. Rather than just hand out points randomly via a time system or even a lottery-type of system, I thought of implementing such a concept as random skill up points(perhaps up to 5 points total) to a Combat or Magic skill of your choice, as a possible reward for progressing through the highest/toughest tier NM "Sparring Program" matches. I would like to think this would give a very high incentive to participate with others to reach tougher matches and gain great rewards.
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03-17-2011, 10:40 PMEligia
When I read "Gyms," I was expecting something about BST pets fighting one another, lol. I've been playing too much Pokemon in this downtime. :o
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03-17-2011, 10:41 PMkingfury-----Quote:
Originally Posted by Jar
Yep!! I Edited in the foundation for some of the next level of the Gymnasium functionality. I'm very much with you on the "RAW" nature of how at least one of the many possible modes of these PvP should be lol. Thanks for the feedback ^^/
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RECREATIONAL GAMES
Gymnasium Games
The (A.M.A.N) founders of these wonderfully diverse Gyms realized the need to incorporate even more diversity into what activities players could enjoy whilst inside these walls after analyizing the success of the Fields of Valor programs. Thus after careful consideration of the fact that there are so many hard working men and women in Vana'diel, the A.M.A.N thought it only right to add special "Gymnasium Games" that these well-deserved folks could enjoy after a long days work or adventure.
Description: Full details coming soon. Possible Games include:
-PvP
-Survival
-Time Attack
-Enemy Hordes
-TP/MP Bonanza
-and more
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03-17-2011, 10:59 PMkingfury-------Quote:
Originally Posted by Haldarn
1st Thanks for the feedback and compliments ^^/ 2nd I think this is a great idea! I talked about the possibility of taking on tougher "Sparring Program" matches that would fit under the "impossible to gauge" difficulty setting in the original post. This idea would be ideal to offering an even greater variety of Boss fights to the proposed system. I think it would be really fun to have both Npc and Monster (maybe these Monsters could be the Nations pets that would be sent to squish you if you've successfully demolished all of their warriors in previous matches ^^ lol) Boss fights with the system, and depending on how large the standard Sparring Program rooms would be, I'm not sure if it would work with a dragon Boss squeezed in a box with a player in it lol. Very cool idea Haldarn /cheer
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03-17-2011, 11:05 PMCrisco
Great idea! Not much feedback I can provide that others have already other than my support of this. This may be the biggest step in getting a community idea implemented. New forums deliver!
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03-17-2011, 11:11 PMkingfury-----Quote:
Originally Posted by slakyak
LOL ^^; Maybe just a nice heroic painting of me on the wall would be all the recognition I would hope to receive lol... cause I think I would be weirded out passing myself every time (assuming the npc would be a Galka) I went to this awesome place ^^; /kneel and thanks for the feedback and compliments /salute -
03-17-2011, 11:20 PMkingfury-----Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabi
Thanks for the support ^^/ -
03-17-2011, 11:28 PMZarabi
I haven't read the entire post real carefully but anyway i'd like this system to give some rewards too even if they were just cute looking outfits. I love random stuff. :3
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03-17-2011, 11:43 PMkingfury-----Quote:
Originally Posted by Samunai
Very cool ^^ /bow Thank you for feedback and compliments! -
03-17-2011, 11:46 PMkingfury----Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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03-17-2011, 11:48 PMkingfury----Quote:
Originally Posted by Nzinga
Cool! ^^ I appreciate the feedback and compliments! /salute -
03-17-2011, 11:52 PMkingfury-------Quote:
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Very Cool! ^^ Thanks for the support /salute -
03-17-2011, 11:54 PMkingfury----Quote:
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LOL All right! Now I just need to get to +2 Thread status :D Thanks for the support /salute -
03-18-2011, 12:00 AMkingfury------Quote:
Originally Posted by Eligia
><; lol yeah, just think if FFXI got a hold of this Gym idea and put their magic touch on it! It could very well change the way the world thinks of the video game Gym concept FOREVER! ^^
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03-18-2011, 12:00 AMDelani
This is a great idea! Since abyssea hit... skilling up is hard. The 90 cap makes it difficult to skill up at a higher lvl. Also enhancing and healing magic is a nuisance, and is soooo slow lol. I really loved how you implemented this idea. You really took your vision and showed it to us. I am more amazed about how neat and clean it was presented, than the idea itself lol. Very professionally done! You should go into marketing. You definitely have an eye for it, and an ability to present your thoughts in a fresh, exciting, and organized way...You really gave it some life! (My job consists of heavy marketing now, and I was really blown away by this!) +2!!!!!!!!!!!
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03-18-2011, 12:02 AMGERMdon't be disrespectful if you don't have any intelligent feedback quit trolling others cause your boredQuote:
You must have a lot of free time to waste.
I will be honest I didn't read all 11 pages of feedback so someone may have said something prior to this post.. Depending on the amount of xp given out during a session you maybe causing people to just do this instead of leveling up in camps which may be a very nice alternative to trying to find a party as well..
2nd If there is no risk of being KO'd then I don't think there should be an experience reward (from what I understand and read correctly you would be healed for the amount of damage done while the training is going on) I don't feel that SqEnix would be willing to give xp when there is no risk of defeat thats just like giving xp away for free (which they do under certain circumstances e.g. dynamis scrolls) but those xp points are so worthless for the levels your at it really doesn't make up for what you lose if you die just once at that level..
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03-18-2011, 12:17 AMBlaize122
Aren't you worried that this will foster a culture of burning up levels in Abyssea and then skilling up in a gym?
I like your idea but I feel like a necessary tweak would have to be to increase the amount of skillups you get from normal world mobs wrt those in the gym to keep incentive to level in normal zones - which makes the gym system feel redundant.
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03-18-2011, 12:23 AMDelani
I think if done correctly it could actually teach a player how to use certain abilities/spells etc. I mean I have run into lvl 90 that don't know how to macro gear correctly D: or know that dia will not only do dot but lower defense. If implemented in a correct way it would not only raise skills for those of us who know our jobs, but help people who are new and just burned their way in abyssea somehow a chance to learn... then they could more effectively play their jobs which would help ls leaders and shout run leaders. I think it would be beneficial.
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03-18-2011, 12:24 AMkingfury-------Quote:
Originally Posted by Delani
lol ^^ All right +2 status!! lol /cheer Thank you very much for the feedback and compliment /salute I've done some marketing in my artistic career, but not enough to dare say I'm a pro at ^^; so I thank you for saying I'm on my way. Lets just hope SE feels the same about this concept! -
03-18-2011, 12:25 AMJakary
My name is Jakary of Ramuh, and i approve this message!
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03-18-2011, 12:50 AMAsthesis
As I was reading this I thought "Great idea" and too boot, SE already has several areas which could be easily adapted to accomodate this. MMM style would probably be easiest, although "revamping" the 95% useless Chocobo Circuit would probably be the wisest choice since it already connects all areas. Everything you mentioned is already in place in some form it really wouldn't be hard for SE to implement this. I really hope the Devs read this and consider it.
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03-18-2011, 12:53 AMkingfury------Quote:
Originally Posted by GERM
1st, Thank you for your feedback and compliments ^^/
Yep, I would aim for similar exp rewards as Fields of Valor Pages, so nothing too ridiculous. The idea is based on the very same logic as what FoV currently functions with, empowering players to choose their pace, frequency, and difficulty of an improvement regimen. It would definitely be an alternative.
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I did think about the exp reward for the skill ups during the "Self Improvement Programs", and thought about this; should a player that completes a 30 minute regimen session which consist of repeatedly whacking/casting spells on a monster deserve "experience points"? Technically speaking, they would be putting forth some effort, and although they wouldn't be in danger of being K.O.'d, the duration of effort should count for some exp in my opinion ^^.
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Now we're not talking several thousand points here, but perhaps in the hundreds (somewhere from 500-900 and maybe 1000+ with the high numbers being the result of the "increased skill up rate" effect from Medals since the system would be dependent on a players progress during the regimen session). So nothing that one would be able to throw a party about, but something to reward at least your time effort. If the regimen is canceled before the 30 min(say 15mins or so) session was completed, the reward would possibly range from 50-500+ again depending on progress made during the regimen session.
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It's just my opinion on that though, SE could very well opt against the exp reward all together, and I'm sure the system would still be warmly received ^^ Thanks again/ -
03-18-2011, 01:02 AMAlhanelem
skills should be raised in combat except where it can already be done without it. Not in favor of anything to easybutton the game any more than it already is.
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03-18-2011, 01:17 AMkingfury----Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabi
I'm with ya!! ^^ When I said:
"tokens" (these accumulate to be used to purchase key items called "Medals" which offer redeemable items and benefits that enhance regimen performance)
That would definitely include some cool/flashy equipment that would hold the possibility of also enhancing a players regimen performance!
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03-18-2011, 01:30 AMJakary
I like the whole PvP option you added in there, i would like to see this explored, i'm interested in it, as long as it is much more versatile than the PvP option we already have (first off i gear swap... A LOT!) like taking out the equipment change bind, thats just a drag. also i would like to see an addition to hp and/or mp during PvP events, mostly because at the present i can just see a blm and a dd job going into pvp against some similar setup and the blms can do upwards of 3k dmg (if properly geared and skilled) and any 3k dmg attack can one-shot most, if not all players, making pvp not so much fun, but also very unbalanced. i just want to see more ideas expressed on this part, ballista wasn't all it was supposed to be cracked up to be, i'd like to revisit PvP in this sense =)
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03-18-2011, 01:33 AMkingfury--------Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Ahhh, but not very long ago, folks were saying the same about EXP ^^ And then came along Abyssea. Although there are fans and non-fans alike towards the introduction of Abyssea and how it drastically changed the world of FFXI, I like to think the message it brings stands clear as to what SE would rather we players spend our ultra valuable time on and that's the content they spend months creating.
I too don't believe in "easy buttons", but I can't support poor efficiency either. Although it's incredibly rewarding to skill up the old fashion way (which can take days and days if you play a job that uses multiple weapons like WAR), the trade off is you have to choose to either spend hours skilling up, or hours enjoying the actual game content (ex.Mission, Quest, New Storylines, etc).
Folks that can play all hours of the day can easily say "BOTH" lol but this isn't such a fun choice to make for the player base that only has 1-3 hours of playtime (especially since it's possible to skill up for 3hrs and still only receive skimpy-moderate skill level increases). Abyssea in my eyes was a huge correction to a system that contradicted itself with each new update. How can a player enjoy the new content to it's fullest if they are feverishly locked in skill up mode hoping to cap their efficiency before taking on that content?
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03-18-2011, 01:44 AMkingfury----Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakary
lol ^^ Thanks for the support /salute