Since no one seems to have posted yet: Final LB fight

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It already can not be soloed. At least, I've yet to hear anyone solo it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUMsfVBRZ2o

Can't watch it all due to shitty internet, but of the parts that I have stuttered through looks like this guy did.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It already can not be soloed. At least, I've yet to hear anyone solo it.

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What I'm saying is there should reduce the difficulty a bit, but not to a point where it can be soloed.
But to a point, where it can be done with a wide range of jobs and party setup.

shouldnt have to have a party set up after the mad rush in 2 months people going to be screaming for help to do the fight and only a handful of people would even be bothered to help them in that time and all the mercenary people out there be selling wins and that isnt right :(

One of the most stupidest idea ever to land on this game. Well done, time to cancel the game for good.

Do you guys remember most of the classic limit breaks took groups to do. the 55 one took an alliance even during classic FFXI.

you cant make a game easy prey and then expect them users to remain around forcing them into group battles when half dont even know their jobs...

farming the lb1 items from eldiem or fighting way all the way through as a group in garlaige to get bomb coals as level 50's is come and gone.... how many times i see a new person shouting in PJ to get help with lb 1 or lb2 /3 even now and people just ignore them can u imagine what its going to be like at 95 for final break if they make it hard for a group at this level to do??? in 3-6 months time there will be a group 99's.... and 95's ... and the ones who charged people to get others who dont have a good ls or friends in game to get to 99

this would be great battles for elitists and the anal who need all weapon skills me included to do the quest to get new weapon skills but not for new people to hit 99

you guys are making too big of a deal out of it... Maybe its too difficult for a lot of people... Im sure they'll make it easier if it is (Remember CoP and the multiple nerfs that got?) but getting a party for something like that is not that difficult~

Nation Mission 2-3 I think, I imagine it will be about as hard to get a party as that was... if not easier with all the people sitting around jeuno with nothing better to do.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

One of the most stupidest idea ever to land on this game. Well done, time to cancel the game for good.

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Good riddance.

God forbid people have to do a group fight in an MMO.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

you cant make a game easy prey and then expect them users to remain around forcing them into group battles when half dont even know their jobs...

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Tons of people will be shouting for this when it comes out. Its not like it will be hard to get a group.

I believe it's actually Maat's master and the same taru involved in the black belt quest so it does make sense that he is worthy of a party fight and not a solo battle.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

you guys are making too big of a deal out of it... Maybe its too difficult for a lot of people... Im sure they'll make it easier if it is (Remember CoP and the multiple nerfs that got?) but getting a party for something like that is not that difficult~

Nation Mission 2-3 I think, I imagine it will be about as hard to get a party as that was... if not easier with all the people sitting around jeuno with nothing better to do.

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I loved that fight, pre nerf and often offered to help others with it. Must have done it at least ten times.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Tons of people will be shouting for this when it comes out. Its not like it will be hard to get a group.

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Won't be hard in the least to get a PT. To actually do the fight.... goodluck. Several hundred people in that zone no problem on update day. If only everyone could take the advice "don't go yet and wait it out"

I shudder at the thought that the required items to do this BC is VW or something else related. I'll be locked out of 96+ for a long time while I play catch up, if I don't rage first.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUMsfVBRZ2o

Can't watch it all due to shitty internet, but of the parts that I have stuttered through looks like this guy did.

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Lol he used like a million dawns on that thing. I'm not sure any of us could legitimately have enough space to spam so many dawns but hey, if things stay as is, BST can solo it.

Also, people are suspecting that this BC fight is for access to the new WSs and the limit break is going to be 15 merits. My eyes got tired of running through BGs spam happy userbase posts so if anyone else can confirm what the known deal is up to now... That BST won that fight and he seems to be saying it is indeed the limit break quest so I have to assume he finished the quest up before posting the video. Needless to say the encounter looks like something pet jobs will shine on extremely well which makes me chuckle in a way.

I personally am delighted that the final Limit break is a Fight and not some lifeless meaningless go get it and bring it back and heres a broken minigame: quest like the last 4 LBs were...

Bring a RDM to Saboteur Paralyze II the taru and Phalanx II the tank? Bring a DRK to Absorb, THF to Aura Steal, etc. Hell, send in the PUPs or BSTs.

I think this fight is more about being creative and using a greater variety of jobs then sending in the overused overgeared knight-in-shining-armor. Can't wait to give it a shot, looks like fun :D

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Originally Posted by Afania

do you enjoy CoP pre lv cap increase ?

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yes I enjoyed CoP pre 1st nerf. Static with NIN (only job) SAM (only job) DRG (only job)WHM (only job) BLM-SMN-BRD BLM-SMN.
also it was before hasso/seigan, 2handed patch...
yes we didn't go 1/1 on every fight, wiped a lot... but I enjoyed those way more than when I helped friends after lvl cap removal

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Do you guys remember most of the classic limit breaks took groups to do. the 55 one took an alliance even during classic FFXI.

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I did LB 2 with 15 people at 55. It was a terrible idea then and it's a terrible idea now. Literally 3/4 of my NA launch shell quit over getting ancient papyruses for LB1, and that was back when FFXI wasn't ten year old Steam shovelware. Oh well, if it's really the LB battle I'm confident it will last a week at the higher difficulty, at most.

I'm curious as to whether the BST that soloed it did so at 95 or 99. If he did it at 99, it doesn't mean much.

i talked to moogle it only asked me for 15 merits
the fight hoping its for weapon skills could be fun if u need to use your respective job / weapon then at 99 it would make more sense

How do you people even post?

The fight is 6 man, required level 95, and is for the limit break.

The weapon skill quest is required level 96+ and asks for 15 merits.

The reason it wont give you the quest is because you went straight to 99 and it auto completed the quest for you. You should still be able to go and help participate in it.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

One of the most stupidest idea ever to land on this game. Well done, time to cancel the game for good.

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Pardon? How is this a stupid idea? It's like... what people have been asking for. The last four limit breaks were the ones that were stupid.

Are you really going to quit the game over a quest you only have to do once?

Howdy!

I have a bit of information to share with you regarding the final limit break quest.

Battle Balance
We’re currently making adjustments to the battle so that you don’t need to have a full party of six members to win. This doesn’t mean it will be “easy”, but there will be more victories as a result of the change.

We have seen feedback from those that would like a battle and those that think a battle is unnecessary. As a result of looking over everyone’s opinions, we decided it would be good to create a battlefield that wasn’t as tough as the Maat fight, but have you all take on a slight challenge to differentiate this as the final limit break quest.

Congestion
Some players have been worried about possible battlefield congestion. We’ll be adding a step to this quest that will require players to obtain an item before actually entering the battlefield, which should stagger the amount of players entering at once. Also, in regards to suggestions that say to offer different battlefields, each one has different sizes as well as different entrance/exits, so this would create a bottleneck because players would select the easiest area. After testing various areas out we decided to go with the Qu’Bia Arena.

Helping Others
You won’t need to obtain the entry item when helping others. We’re also in the process of preparing an NPC that will teleport you to battlefields located in original areas as a reward for completing the final limit break quest.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy!

I have a bit of information to share with you regarding the final limit break quest.

Battle Balance
We’re currently making adjustments to the battle so that you don’t need to have a full party of six members to win. This doesn’t mean it will be “easy”, but there will be more victories as a result of the change.

We have seen feedback from those that would like a battle and those that think a battle is unnecessary. As a result of looking over everyone’s opinions, we decided it would be good to create a battlefield that wasn’t as tough as the Maat fight, but have you all take on a slight challenge to differentiate this as the final limit break quest.

Congestion
Some players have been worried about possible battlefield congestion. We’ll be adding a step to this quest that will require players to obtain an item before actually entering the battlefield, which should stagger the amount of players entering at once. Also, in regards to suggestions that say to offer different battlefields, each one has different sizes as well as different entrance/exits, so this would create a bottleneck because players would select the easiest area. After testing various areas out we decided to go with the Qu’Bia Arena.

Helping Others
You won’t need to obtain the entry item when helping others. We’re also in the process of preparing an NPC that will teleport you to battlefields located in original areas as a reward for completing the final limit break quest.

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Rubbish, one of the best things you've done in a long time and you go and reverse it?

It might just be me, but 99 > 75... so I think the 99 limit break quest should be more difficult than the 75.

But that's just me /shrug

Don't mess up a good thing, it was quite fun and a great change from the previous mini game quests given to us.

I was excited that it was going to be "hard." YOU'VE CRUSHED MY DREAMS YET AGAIN CAMATE! </3

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Originally Posted by Camate

Also, in regards to suggestions that say to offer different battlefields, each one has different sizes as well as different entrance/exits, so this would create a bottleneck because players would select the easiest area.

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As opposed to now, when everyone is forced into the hardest area. No bottlenecks there.

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Originally Posted by Kalilla

It might just be me, but 95 > 75... so I think the 95 limit break quest should be more difficult than the 75.

But that's just me /shrug

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Agree~

And it looks like they caved to the teleport - BC suggestion.... disappointing morning (afternoon) for me.

A great idea... after 2 years since announcing the level cap raise lets make the final battle EASIER than Maat. People would love it, after all this game is about reaching the limits as fast as you can, so why not. In fact lets just make it have 1k HP so even people without gear can punch it to death.

*sigh*

SE, please consider keeping it the way it was. If there is something wrong then make a very minor tweak, don't go ahead and make it easy and call it done :\

I was so looking forward to this fight and now... meh

well when you were doing LB5 for Maat fight you could trade him the testimony and warp to the BC also, so this isn't really different unless we can warp there for KS/KC fights.

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Originally Posted by Kalilla

A great idea... after 2 years since announcing the level cap raise lets make the final battle EASIER than Maat. People would love it, after all this game is about reaching the limits as fast as you can, so why not. In fact lets just make it have 1k HP so even people without gear can punch it to death.

*sigh*

SE, please consider keeping it the way it was. If there is something wrong then make a very minor tweak, don't go ahead and make it easy and call it done :\

I was so looking forward to this fight and now... meh

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Helping Others
You won’t need to obtain the entry item when helping others. We’re also in the process of preparing an NPC that will teleport you to battlefields located in original areas as a reward for completing the final limit break quest.

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That's very cool!

Making the fight easier though...unnecessary and I'm surprised anyone complained about this. The game needs to be careful not to get any simpler.

PLEASE make it hard. Even if people spend a week trying, they can look at the skilled players with good armor and maybe learn something. At a minimum they can pay the good players to help like everything else nowadays lol.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Agree~

And it looks like they caved to the teleport - BC suggestion.... disappointing morning (afternoon) for me.

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I don't care all that much about the warp, after all it isn't really about the walk there anyways... so that's alright by me I guess.

People will eventually win the battle, it's not going to keep anyone from getting 99. The importance is not getting to 99 as fast as you can, this game use to be that when you hit that 75 mark a rush of joy comes over you and all the anticipation and stress just wash away.

Just getting the quest done, fighting some easy battle, and leveling for 30 minutes to get 99 just doesn't cut it for me. There needs to be something to get in our way and 99... really needs that, the previous ones since 80 have been nothing at all but grinding or silly pointless games :\.

I think its highly unlikely that they'll reverse the decision. Like they'll change it once~ thats it :eek:

Why not make it a solo fight? Make people earn 99 rather than just shout for a bunch of better skilled players to do it for them. Don't make it too easy either, if there is no challenge, then it is a pointless waste of time. Might as well do Rock Paper Scissors again if you make it too easy.

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Originally Posted by Thoraeon

Why not make it a solo fight? Make people earn 99 rather than just shout for a bunch of better skilled players to do it for them. Don't make it too easy either, if there is no challenge, then it is a pointless waste of time. Might as well do Rock Paper Scissors again if you make it too easy.

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Not that i'm against that, but I see solo fights being like the maat fight... extremely easy for some jobs while difficult for others (looking at you Samurai).

There needs to be a solo solution for this.
Every other limit break has been able to be completed by a single player. Make it on par with the initial maat fight, but up the level. That would be fine. I don't want to have to sit around in Jeuno shouting for a group to do this. And a week after the update it's going to be neigh impossible to find anyone that wants to do it.

I felt really accomplished after beating SAM Maat on my third try several years ago. I was really hoping for a Maat Round 2 fight =(

Let's be honest anyways, they are stuck on doing a group battle.

With a group, that comes exploits. People are going to perfect defense it and rush it down just like any other battle they can do.

I hate to have to ask to push 99 further back, and I know it will never happen, but a solo fight would be the only way to do this properly. A fight more difficult than maat based on your job.

It will never happen though, they won't bother with the time. They already invested all their time and money into this project and to redo it completely is not an option this late in the process.

I wish they would have asked us for our opinions months ago instead of doing what we thought would be cool without standing back for a moment and ask what the players want. So lame yet so typical of them.

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Originally Posted by Kalilla

Let's be honest anyways, they are stuck on doing a group battle.

With a group, that comes exploits. People are going to perfect defense it and rush it down just like any other battle they can do.

I hate to have to ask to push 99 further back, and I know it will never happen, but a solo fight would be the only way to do this properly. A fight more difficult than maat based on your job.

It will never happen though, they won't bother with the time. They already invested all their time and money into this project and to redo it completely is not an option this late in the process.

I wish they would have asked us for our opinions months ago instead of doing what we thought would be cool without standing back for a moment and ask what the players want. So lame yet so typical of them.

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That brings up a good point, its far easier to make a 1 way group fight than it is to make a variable job based solo fight with suitable difficulty for everyone... this way is cheaper and easier ehe.

I don't think a group battle is a bad thing. But they should not make it easier. I think they should have put the tarutaru and maat in the fight together and then a pt of 6 can go in and fight both of them. Abyssea ruined enough of the game where people just solo everything. Lets get some parties back where people have to actually use their brain and come up with a strategy for something. Your playing an MMO people, if you want to solo buy a console and play a different game.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

I don't think a group battle is a bad thing. But they should not make it easier. I think they should have put the tarutaru and maat in the fight together and then a pt of 6 can go in and fight both of them. Abyssea ruined enough of the game where people just solo everything. Lets get some parties back where people have to actually use their brain and come up with a strategy for something. Your playing an MMO people, if you want to solo buy a console and play a different game.

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Ehh, thats not fair.. even in the days when FFXI was significantly tougher there were people soloing things (rdm Genbu?) but the 'let me solo/low man everything' mentality is no good either.