[dev1042] Level Cap Increase (BST Related)

bst in party situations? well the only abilities that stick out to me are Gerard's tp moves. Corrosive ooze is 33% attack and def down on the mob. These are huge boons to the whole party. Blu's are happy to get the -33% def debuff in a new spell.

Purulent ooze for the first 10% of NM's life is quite nice for a party also. They are rather unique abilities that bst can bring to the table. BSt used to be uniquely capable for crowd control... but that was around charm.. and not very practical now.

I can't think of any other bst abilities that are particularly good for a party.... Killer Instinct... but thats been there for awhile.

Also, don't forget that hippogryph is also an avian... and its a sweet dd pet.

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BSt used to be uniquely capable for crowd control... but that was around charm.. and not very practical now.

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I would personally like to see charm come back into vogue for new events, and I would like to see it retro-actively added to old events. Granted, I don't play bst, but I'm observant enough to know they've been getting the shaft for a while. I remember the first time I entered Abyssea and was exploring, my first major thought was literally "Finally an endgame event where BSTs actually have mobs to charm." because I saw tigers and sheep and bunnies. Silly me.

The whole idea of entire families and zones of enemies being immune to charm is even more stupid than the idea of zones classified as "dungeons" being immune to chocobo mazurka. Granted, there are many mobs in the game which should be completely immune to charm. NMs? Sure. But EVERY GOOBBUE IN THE GAME? What was the reasoning behind that? And enemies charm players, so storyline-wise, it is clearly possible for beings of sufficient sentience to be charmed, so why are all beastmen outright immune? It should be examined as a matter of balance, not a matter of precident.

OR, if the beastmaster type mobs are immune to charm... why can't player beastmasters be immune to charm? :P

I"ve been toying w/ apkallu. Does good damage... but really can't figure what the "special way of attacking" is...

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Apkallu on the other hand was taking 200~+300 from normal strikes, counter/guard may as well not exist and he was hitting for a wonderful 10-35 damage, went down pretty fast even with his ~+5900 HP. Hippo? evasion had very little (if any) effect and he took just as much damage, and lasted only slightly longer than Apkallu... None of my pets could put a dent into these NM's. Now obviously jug pets aren't meant to tank VW nor deal any respectable amount of damage, but I have to ask the developers, with the current tools (or lack there of) available to BST, exactly what roles do they expect BST to play at 99? Are we to expect the same level of performance from "The Last Stand" and the dungeon crawls contents that were mentioned for 99? Or are we simply only expected to soloing abyssea, dynamis and other level 75 content? Does the development team actually test these jugs against high level enemies? or do they simply walk into W.Sarutabaruta and do all there testings there? I find it hard to believe that anyone on the development team would bring BST jugs into a serious fight and come out saying that the abilities are too powerful so I can only assume that all BST testing is done on level 0 mobs.

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I'd really like an answer on this, cause frankly if my BST is going to forever be useless to my LS and my parties, I might just have to retire it. It's nice to be able to solo monsters - but people on NIN and DNC and THF can often solo most of the same stuff AND they are useful and desired for group content.

Honestly, I'm so dissapointed with how BST is being left to rot. I mean, I totally get PUP needed its PUPdate, but BST is really no better off than PUP when it comes to being wanted in group activities - and it has a lot of versatility where BST is lacking (being able to do magic damage).

If the Devs expect us to get invites to parties so we can use 1 debuff every five minutes, they need to stop plugging their ears and listen to the playerbase.

Either stop nerfing or removing most of the abilities from our pets, or if we are expected to constantly switch pets - lower the call beast timer and reduce the cost of jugs

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Originally Posted by Xilk

bst in party situations? well the only abilities that stick out to me are Gerard's tp moves. Corrosive ooze is 33% attack and def down on the mob. These are huge boons to the whole party. Blu's are happy to get the -33% def debuff in a new spell.

Purulent ooze for the first 10% of NM's life is quite nice for a party also. They are rather unique abilities that bst can bring to the table. BSt used to be uniquely capable for crowd control... but that was around charm.. and not very practical now.

I can't think of any other bst abilities that are particularly good for a party.... Killer Instinct... but thats been there for awhile.

Also, don't forget that hippogryph is also an avian... and its a sweet dd pet.

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Xilk, I never said we were useless in parties, just mediocre. that means we get a DD slot so we're competing for that slot with all of the other DD out there that are not "must-haves" for whatever the event in question is. We'll also be passed over for other jobs that are preceived as better for that event.

I was using my bst in Aby shell to tank mobs and letting the rest of the LS work procs, but that doesn't work since we went to 95, because the proccers are pulling too much hate for my pet to consistently get it back in a hurry. The same issue happens in any other party. Yes, there are some things my pet brings to the table in other events, but mostly it's the ridiculous amount of time it takes my pet to die with the HP pool from hell coupled with my -pet pdt set. Given that damage mitigation can also be accomplished by just killing the mob faster and I just believe other Dd are gonna get the nod... unless the guy building the party is a fan of beast.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I was using my bst in Aby shell to tank mobs and letting the rest of the LS work procs, but that doesn't work since we went to 95, because the proccers are pulling too much hate for my pet to consistently get it back in a hurry.

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This is the fault of the proc'ers, not your pet. It's liek the blm that can't furgure out he's there to yellow stuff, not kill stuff. So he ends up using inane nuking atmas and you have to wait 6 hours for him to get MP back because he can't land a freeze right. The same aplies to the "DDs." If they're there to proc, they should be using atmas to proc and there for not pulling an unessicary amount of hate.(I.e. DON'T TP ON THE PROC MOB!)

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

This is the fault of the proc'ers, not your pet. It's liek the blm that can't furgure out he's there to yellow stuff, not kill stuff. So he ends up using inane nuking atmas and you have to wait 6 hours for him to get MP back because he can't land a freeze right. The same aplies to the "DDs." If they're there to proc, they should be using atmas to proc and there for not pulling an unessicary amount of hate.(I.e. DON'T TP ON THE PROC MOB!)

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You need to go learn how to spell.

Yeah i forgot about the slug. He is truly in a league all on his own. We may have lost our edge with corrosive ooze now that Blu's also gain def-33% enfeeble, but Slug is still pretty useful in serious fights. He is actually more durable than the turtle due to his moderately high defense and ridiculous magic resistance. Pity we don't have more pets like him.

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BSt used to be uniquely capable for crowd control... but that was around charm.. and not very practical now.
I would personally like to see charm come back into vogue for new events, and I would like to see it retro-actively added to old events. Granted, I don't play bst, but I'm observant enough to know they've been getting the shaft for a while. I remember the first time I entered Abyssea and was exploring, my first major thought was literally "Finally an endgame event where BSTs actually have mobs to charm." because I saw tigers and sheep and bunnies. Silly me.

The whole idea of entire families and zones of enemies being immune to charm is even more stupid than the idea of zones classified as "dungeons" being immune to chocobo mazurka. Granted, there are many mobs in the game which should be completely immune to charm. NMs? Sure. But EVERY GOOBBUE IN THE GAME? What was the reasoning behind that? And enemies charm players, so storyline-wise, it is clearly possible for beings of sufficient sentience to be charmed, so why are all beastmen outright immune? It should be examined as a matter of balance, not a matter of precident.

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Well in order for crowd control to work, SE would have to encourage people to charm adds, instead of simply sleeping them, killing, or holding them in some far off distance. I've already toughed on this, but imagine fighting a mega boss NM that suddenly pops a "substantially weak" tiger NM that is charm-able. That's pretty much an instant win for BST, get a little more creative and give him some useful unique TP abilites and/or potent aoe-aura effects and your certain to see charm/guage/tame become useful again. SE is just being lazy, the BCNMs "Come into my parlor" and "Wings of Fury" are great examples of how charm can play a strategic role in serious battle content. There are a lot of things they could do with charmed pets, unlike jugs, you don't have to worry about a powerful charm pet breaking game balance in another zone/content area.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

The intention of adding the toad to beastmaster’s pet array was to include a fun, mascot-type pet that you could walk around with. Due to this, its fighting proficiency has been set low.

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I don't see this pet ever being used if it has no special abilities or fighting proficiency. Why not just make it a regular pet over a mascot? (The mascot dresspheres in ffx-2 were at least useful.)

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Adding abilities that inflict Dispel and Terror would make them too powerful.

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One terror every 2-3 minutes for 1-5 seconds is overpowered assuming it's not resisted?

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Originally Posted by Xilk

I can't think of any other bst abilities that are particularly good for a party.... Killer Instinct... but thats been there for awhile.

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Feral Howl is actually a nice stun move for party situations such as when a doll is about to explode. It just sucks that it doesn't work on anything higher than EXP mobs.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

I"ve been toying w/ apkallu. Does good damage... but really can't figure what the "special way of attacking" is...

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I'm confident the phrase "special way of attacking" is just vague language obscuring something obvious. It's a long-time favorite of people working on FFXI.

I'd bet my favorite eyeball that the phrase just means "The apkallu punches like a Monk. Punch punch!"

I've been toying w/ apkallu more on test server. Beak Lunge and wing slap are so completely lackluster that there is no point in the store tp trait. I mean sneaking in a sam level store tp trait on mnk pet is kinda interesting... but then you remove anything it would be good for. The damage for the 2x ready moves are not noticeably better than normal hits... they probably will be a bit better on something w/ high def... but I don't want a mnk jug on a high def mob in the first place.

The apkallu is a good mnk dd type, otherwise.. it hits fast and frequently (h2h & 'beak attacks'" but really what is the point in store tp when the ready moves are so useless... 2 charges for stun, 1 charge for big knock-back. well, I guess you can keep a macro for the knockback as a spell interruptor... and it might be semi reliable if you aren't using /dnc for stun.. I'd rather lose the store tp and get some more useful ready moves. The store tp is a waste as it is. Otherwise, beaklunge and wing slap should get a boost.

There might be other bonuses hidden in there... but if so, they are hidden so well, they may as well not even exist.

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Why is the development team heading in the direction where BST only use jug pets?

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Recent content contains a lot of areas with monsters that cannot be charmed as well as confrontations where summoned pets will be dismissed upon entry. Since it would be difficult for beastmasters to perform with only their Charm ability, we wanted to make adjustments to add familiars and make it so they can select their pets based on the situation.

Of course, you will still be able to use monsters that were charmable up to now since they are still roaming the lands of Vana'diel.

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Can the devs. make it easier to change between different pets?

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Making it easier to change pets means a reduction in the call beast ability's duration, so this would be a difficult problem.

From the beginning, familiar pets have had strong attacks and durability, so being able to constantly summon these pets would make it so a variety of monsters could be defeated with only a pet. Also, depending on the situation, if beastmasters were able to constantly change pets, it would make it possible for them to do everything.

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We would like more damage dealing pets, instead of tanking pets, so that they can be more useful in parties.

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When adding new pets, we design them by adding a special feature to them such as high attack or high defense. In the future we will be adding more pets, and among these new ones there will be an opportunity to introduce some strong attacking pets.

So you limited us to only Jug Pets but not willing to give us a faster call timer. So basically you're telling the BST community to go and play a different job.

If the Jug is all we can use in all 'RECENT CONTENTS', then you need to be sensitive to the fact that our call beast timer is limiting us to the point where we basically cannot use BST as a job in these contents.

This is just laughable - they could make BST shines and better, but they refuse due some "content balancing" issue. Reducing the call timer to 3 mnts won't break the game, summoner can call pet every one minutes, and poor puppetmaster and dragoon have a much longer timer and have to just deal with it. Yes we want beastmaster to be able to do everything, it is time for them to shine for once.

Hi Rukkirii, first of all, I appreciate the answers you're giving us, but Dreamin has it correct - you can't have it both ways - where you say "oh if you want that ability use this pet!" but then make the call beast timer so limited that we can't switch pets in a reasonable fashion. No other job is limited to 2 or 3 abilities at a time (and at any time at least 2 of them suck completely)

Have you guys actually used these ready abilities? Most of them suck. Then you take all the good monster skills off jugs, and make most of the reasonably decent ready abilities cost 3 charges. It is infuriating. I hate to break it to you, but a move which costs TP, and is on a timer needs to do more than 10 extra damage to not suck. Most ready abilities do less damage than a critical hit. I don't think anyone really uses most of the ones that don't have debuffs. I sure as heck don't.

And in content like WoE - it costs SO MUCH MONEY to be a bst. Just ridiculous amounts - the biggest reason being that pet food is disgustingly expensive, and if you don't use it every time the timer is up, your pet dies and you can do NOTHING for 1-2 minutes.

If you want BST to get invited to groups you can't have them standing around doing nothing for 1-2 minutes because their pet died. You don't limit summoner to 1 pet every 5 minutes - and with all the -perp gear (nevermind in abyssea) MP is not very limiting - and PUP can get their pet every minute - so why the long cool down on call beast? It isn't reasonable - especially with things like those birds in WOE flux 9 that do a max HP down effect and kill your pet in like two hits. It really sucks to spend 30K per run and get nothing but logs and ingots as a reward 95% of the time.

I don't see how it is balanced to make a BST pay 5K+ to buy the pet that can paralyze, make them get at least 100 tp to do it, and then restrict them from using any other pet skill for minutes at a time.

If RDM doesn't get invited for Paralyze that is not on a ridiculous recast timer and doesn't require feeding the boss TP, (AND THEY CAN BUFF AND USE OTHER DEBUFFS) why the heck would anyone invite a BST to their party when they are less useful?

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This is just laughable - they could make BST shines and better, but they refuse due some "content balancing" issue. Reducing the call timer to 3 mnts won't break the game, summoner can call pet every one minutes, and poor puppetmaster and dragoon have a much longer timer and have to just deal with it. Yes we want beastmaster to be able to do everything, it is time for them to shine for once.

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Just to correct here, there's no timer limit on how fast you can call another 'pet' for SMN. You can immediate release and summon a different avatar. Or any other spirit. And even if you insists on resummoning the same Avatar, there's only a 30s recast for any of them. [For those that are not familiar with SMN, all pets are summon as magic and the only timer associated with those are magic cast and recast timer and not JA timer].

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This is just laughable - they could make BST shines and better, but they refuse due some "content balancing" issue. Reducing the call timer to 3 mnts won't break the game, summoner can call pet every one minutes, and poor puppetmaster and dragoon have a much longer timer and have to just deal with it. Yes we want beastmaster to be able to do everything, it is time for them to shine for once.

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Deus Ex Automata allows you to call your auto. It has a 1 minute cool down. Although the pet will start with almost no HP unless they were at full when you dismissed them - autos can also heal themselves pretty much infinitely with no pet food required and PUP gets oils as well. Our only pet that can heal itself is hard-capped healing (based on LL's HP) once every 3 minutes.

Thanx again Rukkirii chan.

Thank you for addressing these concerns in the bst community. Its fantastic to hear that this level cap increase will not be end of new jug pet choices!

I think SE's team is on a great track to add variety of abilities in the ready moves and traits of the different pets. There are alot of ideas out there for jugs. I"m sure we'd love to see ruzsor, opo-opo, hecteyes, and many other mobs for jugs.
Keep up the great work! REmember event he naysayers love the game (we keep paying subscription and playing it afterall!)

I don't think the Call Beast ability needs a shorter recast. However, it would be nice if starting a voidwatch battle or similar would reset the call beast ability.

So nobody is going to comment on VW procs--the real reason this is a problem? Pet procs are basically impossible or near impossible to proc, and even then it's usually a waste of time. Outside of VW, who cares...? BST can hold its own without a pet.

SMN is completely useless without a pet so I'm not sure why anyone is comparing them to BST. They're so dissimilar it doesn't make any sense. Or do people actually melee T3 VW mobs with their staff?

PUP is closer to what a BST does, so basically the discussion that we should be having is: what is the difference between a BST and a PUP, and how does that difference play into the summoning of pets. Stop talking about SMN.

People invite or let BST go to VW?

Relax everyone, SE knows best, just like a smothering parental figure.

lol monsters that were charmable years ago for old content are still there people!!!!!! so we can still charm!!! omg ya that sure is a happy note to point out when people are asking why cant we play bst and charm for all content for like the last 24 levels abd final leg of the game.

I like how people are arguing that they can't call their pets fast enough to solo hard stuff while just about every other job can't solo hard stuff either. I was killing Vrtra last night. Boy it would have been nice to call pets faster because I could have soloed it then. Or maybe faster reward timers would work, too. Help me solo the universe SE.

I would love these changes. Can't deny it. But I know it'd be so broke afterwards with how strong call beast has become. You'd think we wouldn't have much to complain about with the ability to spam DMs these days.

Thanks for keeping feedback coming! It is much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

When adding new pets, we design them by adding a special feature to them such as high attack or high defense. In the future we will be adding more pets, and among these new ones there will be an opportunity to introduce some strong attacking pets.

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I think pets being more suited towards taking damage rather than dealing damage goes a little deeper than "high attack or high defense". Being vastly better at absorbing damage than dealing damage is pretty universal across all jug pets.

Pets are huge, meaty bags of HP with a -87.5% Damage Taken cap. Every single jug pet has these properties, even if some have more HP than others. Some have strong elemental resistances in addition to this. I don't think anyone could ever complain about the ability of even the flimsiest jug pet to take damage.

Looking at the offense of all jug pets, they have their auto-attack function and their auto-attacks and the ability to auto-attack. The best Ready command for damage is currently Nursery Nuzuna's "Rage", because it affects the sheep's auto-attacks. All direct-damage Ready commands are currently on par with two auto-attack rounds at best.

The damage from these auto-attacks is very good against lower level and lower defense stuff, but falls off of a cliff against anything with decent defense and about a half-dozen levels above the pet. Being that there is no command to cram a Red Curry bun down a normally herbivorous sheep's throat or hurl a whole Marinara Pizza +1 between a ladybug's mandibles in hopes of finding a mouth of sorts, there's not much a player can do to soften this massive drop.

If Beastmaster pets are meant to be brick walls of HP that can deal some damage to some enemies, then mission accomplished and full-speed ahead. If Beastmaster pets are meant to be balanced between offense and defense, then something is not working out.

Can BSTs not charm all the high level 80-100+ mobs outside abyssea? There were some VT crawlers to 95 in crawlers nest for instance. Most dungeons now have really high level monsters (95+). Are these uncharmable? I don't see why they would be. I don't play BST, but I see BSTs complaining about not being able to charm and I'm confused. I understand the whole not being able to charm in abyssea frustration but, I don't get the problem outside abyssea. The only problem I see is not being able to use charmable pets in VW because of the pet dismiss thing.

BST can't charm in both WoE and VW. The more 'recent' events. As for outside zones mobs, sure you can charm them. But for what? Exp? Farming? Most of us that are complaining are specifically complaining about the call beast timer because of VW and WoE. That's the context in which we're complaining about BST.

I think the issue is people are under the assumption that Charm will never be used again. It's just that in the content that has been released it just hasn't been possible to implement charm. Honestly though I don't know why BST complain the new jugs they have been getting have had such powerful beast at their command that I think at this point they are spoiled by what they have now.

The only suggestion I can consider though that could work is perhaps this.

"Exchange" -Releases current beast and replaces it with new jug that has same % HP of last pet-
Recast 1 min.

So basically say you want to call another pet, you use Exchange, your white rarab with 75% HP leaves the field and it's replaced by a adamantoise with 75% HP. At least with this concept you wouldn't have a mean to just resummon faster but an option to exchange your pets out if you want to use a move that's not available on another pet. I would think that this could be the best compromise, since lowering the Call Beast command would be bad if BST are ever in a spot where they can make use of Charm again.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Of course, you will still be able to use monsters that were charmable up to now since they are still roaming the lands of Vana'diel.

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Up to level 75, more than up to now I'd rather say...

If they're going to make jug pet abilities procs for voidwatch, then it seriously needs to be streamlined to 2 or 3 jugs...between jug recasts, ready charges, and the AoE damage abilities, if a ready move is a proc, you may as well just forget about procing and just kill it.

So hard to believe that SE doesn't see this when they spew on about job balance issues. There has to be a way to change pets faster than call beast on a five minute timer, that is if they actually want ready abilities being used as proc in voidwatch. As it stands, its ill-thought lip service in trying to include bst in the event.

And stop making pets vanish when vw mobs are popped. I'd really like to hear the case for 'job balance' there.

Newsflash. The hint tells you what jug to use.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

Newsflash. The hint tells you what jug to use.

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Hoorah! That totally fixes the other issues with the ready recast, heavy AoE, AND jugs vanishing upon the spawning of a VW.

Why couldn't I see it before?

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

if beastmasters were able to constantly change pets, it would make it possible for them to do everything.

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A method used by SMN...... right!!!

It's cool though, it's expected where BST is concerned. We've learned we have to deal with the retarded ways SE does the job.

1. Jug pets can't zone, yet EVERY other pet can. Wasting a fortune in places like Abyssea and on Missions.
   
2. Call Beast has a silly recast timer because it'd be OP if it didn't.
   
3. Reward also has a daft recast timer when it's not suffered by any other job, but hey it's been alleviated by "Dawn Mulsum" which is 10k each.
   
4. "Run Wild" is a worthless ability
   
5. Jug Pets are not cheap yet in newer content we now need to have a load of them as they are not only weakness but depop on EVERY voidwatch pop.

Thanks SE!

PS. Why not just use PUP's style where Call Beast is, if your pet has 100% of it's HP when you leave then it reset's Call Beast's timer. That'd stop the soloing issue and help in things like Voidwatch.

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Originally Posted by Helel

SMN is completely useless without a pet so I'm not sure why anyone is comparing them to BST. They're so dissimilar it doesn't make any sense. Or do people actually melee T3 VW mobs with their staff?

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What are you talking about? Unless you count being a gimp "useful" a bst is useless without their pet as well.

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Originally Posted by Vold

I like how people are arguing that they can't call their pets fast enough to solo hard stuff while just about every other job can't solo hard stuff either. I was killing Vrtra last night. Boy it would have been nice to call pets faster because I could have soloed it then. Or maybe faster reward timers would work, too. Help me solo the universe SE.

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For me it isn't about soloing at all actually - it is about being useful for a group and being able to do events like WoE without going broke. It is also about them saying "we decided to give you nothing but crappy abilities on this pet, because you can use a different pet instead!" - if the answer to having sucky abilities is to swap pets they need to make pets easier to swap.

The answer is what someone already said, make a ability like deus ex. That was very smart. let them call beast every min but the pet only has 10% hp or something, they have to rely on stay or reward to fill it. This stops bst from soloing anything but allows them not to be gimped for long period of times.

But as usual, SE fails to see the simple solution when they actually design the solution already, even if it was 4 years too late.

Now for the cost. Jugs should not cost 120k a stack, npcs should sell all jugs at a set price. This keeps crafters in line and not exploiting bsts. If the items are too expensive because people dont farm, because people don't anymore, at least you can buy a stack of dipper for 50k off an npc.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

The answer is what someone already said, make a ability like deus ex. That was very smart. let them call beast every min but the pet only has 10% hp or something, they have to rely on stay or reward to fill it. This stops bst from soloing anything but allows them not to be gimped for long period of times.

But as usual, SE fails to see the simple solution when they actually design the solution already, even if it was 4 years too late.

Now for the cost. Jugs should not cost 120k a stack, npcs should sell all jugs at a set price. This keeps crafters in line and not exploiting bsts. If the items are too expensive because people dont farm, because people don't anymore, at least you can buy a stack of dipper for 50k off an npc.

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for dipper, as one who use to try to syn it i must say it's because of material is very trouble farming, Lesser Chigoe is very very trouble to get one. I use my 95thf with steal+ set try steal it form sheep in ToU area and take about hr just get 3 of them (As you know steal is 5 min cool down and it's very trouble success rate) . As long no any other nicer ways to obtain Lesser Chigoe, i'm sure that price will not come down easily.

Agreed, jug pets should be easily obtainable - or at least the crafting materials should be all obtainable from npc - this will encourage crafting yet keep price in check. Making jug pets similar to avatar and automaton would be a great idea to save on cost. Frankly there are many things they can do to improve BST, but SE seems to have an allergic reaction whenever you bring the subject of pet based jobs - they get seizure, and claim lost memory, unable to respond and just leave us exactly where we are. In another news, they are adding 1500 heavy metal plates for magian trials because... that is just so easy and "extend" years of game life.

alot of good points but all i really been complaining about the last 14? months is charm, make charm work in abyessa and future events. It seems like a super common sence thing to ask but then again im asking ppl who dont have the man power to let bst pets zone.

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Originally Posted by Sharnak

for dipper, as one who use to try to syn it i must say it's because of material is very trouble farming, Lesser Chigoe is very very trouble to get one. I use my 95thf with steal+ set try steal it form sheep in ToU area and take about hr just get 3 of them (As you know steal is 5 min cool down and it's very trouble success rate) . As long no any other nicer ways to obtain Lesser Chigoe, i'm sure that price will not come down easily.

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There is a much easier way to farm lesser chigoes than stealing them. You can harvest them in Grauberg (S). You can easily get over a stack in an hour there once you know where the points are.