Abyssea level cap

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

iMad

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fixed that for you

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

QQ moar plz, I GM'd because of the mass lag you lout.

Also I really don't care if you got faster exp at least I wont have to spend hours skilling up- oh wait you have bots for that, too bad I don't use bots or windower like you & everyone else dose Q_Q

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Here's your skill up bot and its PS2 Compatible!

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

QQ moar plz, I GM'd because of the mass lag you lout.

Also I really don't care if you got faster exp at least I wont have to spend hours skilling up- oh wait you have bots for that, too bad I don't use bots or windower like you & everyone else dose Q_Q

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Because someone has to be using a bot and cheating if they're doing something better than you.

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

QQ moar plz, I GM'd because of the mass lag you lout.

Also I really don't care if you got faster exp at least I wont have to spend hours skilling up- oh wait you have bots for that, too bad I don't use bots or windower like you & everyone else dose Q_Q

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LOL So you spend hours standing around looking for a group instead?

Here's a pro tip since your not good. It doesn't take very long to skill up. If you start hitting stuff instead of key whoring at say 65ish, you will be almost at cap by 90.

Also, it's fairly obvious that YOU are the one that bots as you keep bringing it up in regards to abyssea leveling where botting doesn't help at all. If you want to keep SE from finding out that you bot, stop putting it in your signature and talking about it every chance you get.

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

It would be nice if it was capped at even 65, but clearly SE dose not give a damn, they didn't during smn burns & they don't now (I once GM'd a smn burn & nothing happened, unless a GM can post here saying its against ToS)

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I once had a rather thorough chat with a Gamemaster about this, and it would seem it is considered the same as 'PLing'.

To me, it seemed (and still does) like a game-weakness abuse, and should not be possible at all. It's far from a proper way of leveling up and easily creates grudges amongst players but well, it's not for me to decide what's OK and what's not OK here.

Hardly meaningful anymore, though, with Abyssea being open to level 30 characters and so on, but I just thought I'd mention that it is not against the ToS (as far as I know).

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Originally Posted by Lynchilles

So because of the OP's individual experience, SE should change the game for all players on all servers. Got it.

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That's also how returning and new players feel. Know what happens when they leave and older players continue to leave? I hope this isn't a common mentality.

wow a player who reads and understands a point made. see how nice and precise the answer is, instead of coming out like no one should have an opinion, you replay like this people and go about you business

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This is the new way to get xp now, no more level grind. You can easily get from 10-35 via gusgen GoV, move to Crawler Nest or Garlaige for 32-56s (can synch all the way till you hit 60s) then go to Bost Ob till you hit 65s. After that it's a matter of leeching as puller if you can sub ninja or just help heal if you come as rdm, whm, smn, and sch - and go do abysea dominion. You end up getting faster xp per lvl if you only play 1-2 hours via GoV - aby leech at 30s you have to stay over 2-3 hours to reap the benefits, and up to 6-7 hours to get to 80s-90s.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I think you mad jelly, bro. You salty?

I don't care how anyone else plays their game on their own time, it's their $12.95 bro

Someone shows up to Absolute Virtue with level 0 skills? I boot their ass.

Someone shows up to Absolute Virtue with a level 90 job and doesn't suck at it? I don't give half a shit how they got there or how long they've been playing.

Likewise, I don't give half a shit how long you've been playing or how long you took to level if you're terrible at your job. Playing since release and being XXX/YYY Main Career All-I-Care-About-Is-This Job doesn't mean you're half bloody good at it or worth keeping around in a party.

People want to be "Redeemed" because they're shitty at their jobs but they leveled it "the right way", so at least they're "better than" those other guys who leveled "the wrong way".

It's the same reason all good players must be lying, scheming cheaters with no friends and no life. When people want to feel better about themselves, their first response is to claim the moral high ground.

So quit being so mad, bro. If you want to be better at the game, get better at the game. Making excuses and lauding around about how "morally superior" one is is not getting anyone anywhere.

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This times infinity. If anyone brings up the argument that Abyssea should be level capped, please refer to this post. I might even link it to the second post in a spoiler box!

When you see a person that doesn't know how to do their job at 90, point them to the nearest wiki. And btw, back when the cap was at 75 you still had a ton of people that sucked at their jobs. (Thfs that couldn't SATA, rdms that sucked at refresh, whms that couldn't keep party alive, ninjas that were horrible at utsusemi casting, sam's that didn't know SC charts, drks that would use all their JA at once and promptly die, brds that couldn't seperate between giving melee, melee songs and mages, mage songs, drgs that had no timing on jumps to get rid of hate and couldn't keep wyvern alive to save their life, blm's that couldn't time a MB at all, I really hope you're getting the point.)

With book burn parties, why do people still need to leech?

gimme dat croor

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Originally Posted by FANCY60

wow a player who reads and understands a point made. see how nice and precise the answer is, instead of coming out like no one should have an opinion, you replay like this people and go about you business

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So...... you don't have a problem with people getting EXP fast, your just mad because abyssea parties last too long?

FYI:

1. If you level warrior (supposedly your main job?), you need to skill up several weapons which you will not be using in any experience points parties.

2. Level synching in GOV parties means that you will be unskilled in your main weapon just like those nasty abyssea people. Not to mention, you still don't get to skill up on every weapon that warrior can use.

3. As previously stated: Every job has 1 weapon that they "do the best at". You will still have to skill up on all the other weapons that your job can wield on your own time.

4. Since nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room... Somebody has to be on chest duty in abyssea. its a full time job. That person would be stupid if they did it on a job that was already merited / skill capped.

5. keys cost 500 Cruor each (the "leech" is paying for this).

6. Cruor can be exchanged for items that can in turn be sold for Gil.

7. If you open chests for a EXP party in abyssea, you make roughly enough Cruor per hour to pay for the keys that you are using.

8. everyone else in the party makes the same amount of Cruor, but doesn't have to buy keys (who is really leeching?).

9. If you pay to get in an abyssea party, you still make a bunch of Cruor. Thus negating the loss of Gil that you paid to get in.

10. A-fukking-gain: A guy who plays any job at level 90 for 6 months is almost always going to be better than a guy who takes 6 months getting from 1-90 (Not to mention, he is obviously smarter to begin with).

11. If you haven't realized all of this yet...... You are doomed to fail.

jack of all trade master or non. read the post you are replying too before you pick and dissect something else this is a broken record, you are just repeating what others have said just to post stop crying and talking bout issues you clearly have no idea of

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So...... you don't have a problem with people getting EXP fast, your just mad because abyssea parties last too long?

FYI:

1. If you level warrior (supposedly your main job?), you need to skill up several weapons which you will not be using in any experience points parties.

2. Level synching in GOV parties means that you will be unskilled in your main weapon just like those nasty abyssea people. Not to mention, you still don't get to skill up on every weapon that warrior can use.

3. As previously stated: Every job has 1 weapon that they "do the best at". You will still have to skill up on all the other weapons that your job can wield on your own time.

4. Since nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room... Somebody has to be on chest duty in abyssea. its a full time job. That person would be stupid if they did it on a job that was already merited / skill capped.

5. keys cost 500 Cruor each (the "leech" is paying for this).

6. Cruor can be exchanged for items that can in turn be sold for Gil.

7. If you open chests for a EXP party in abyssea, you make roughly enough Cruor per hour to pay for the keys that you are using.

8. everyone else in the party makes the same amount of Cruor, but doesn't have to buy keys (who is really leeching?).

9. If you pay to get in an abyssea party, you still make a bunch of Cruor. Thus negating the loss of Gil that you paid to get in.

10. A-fukking-gain: A guy who plays any job at level 90 for 6 months is almost always going to be better than a guy who takes 6 months getting from 1-90 (Not to mention, he is obviously smarter to begin with).

11. If you haven't realized all of this yet...... You are doomed to fail.

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Why are you so upset?

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

With book burn parties, why do people still need to leech?

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GoV burning is still slow compared to Abyssea, but it provides an option for those who aren't leeching in Abyssea.

It's about 25% as fast as a good worms party (good meaning 200k/h and up). The exp does however build up to the max much faster.

I'll tell you why people are quitting the game, it's because of twats like the OP trying to ruin it for everybody else, not abyssea leeching.

Good *** lord how do some of you remember how to breathe when you can't seem to form a logical thought.

I'd rather they add options as opposed to take them away. Make FoV as good as GoV with the bonuses and whatnot. Add more pages to all zones that are just one mob type that's reasonable to fight. If you still lose some exp with your adventuring fellow out, maybe get rid of that like they did for BST pets, to make soloing a little nicer. People returning to the game and just starting seem pretty unhappy with the way exp is pre-75, but the answer is not to make the game more like it used to be. The only thing that was remotely better about exp in the old days was that there were more people your level trying to exp so the odds of finding anyone seeking to exp in Qufim with you were higher. The game needs to continue to adapt to it's smaller/top-heavy playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

People returning to the game and just starting seem pretty unhappy with the way exp is pre-75.

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No. They. ***. Aren't.

A small, SMALL minority of people are. Most of them old players, because I'll tell you what, most of the returning players came BACK because of abyssea exp so stop making retarded generalizations based on what maybe 100-300 people out of the 500,000 (or however many, basing that number off last year's census or w/e) that play the game say.

This kuishen guy...I like this guy.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

stop making retarded generalizations based on what maybe 100-300 people out of the 500,000

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So generalizations are bad, and pulling numbers out of nowhere is good. Gotcha.

Also, I don't get why you're mad. I'm agreeing that the OP is wrong and they shouldn't change the entry level for abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I'd rather they add options as opposed to take them away. Make FoV as good as GoV with the bonuses and whatnot. Add more pages to all zones that are just one mob type that's reasonable to fight. If you still lose some exp with your adventuring fellow out, maybe get rid of that like they did for BST pets, to make soloing a little nicer. People returning to the game and just starting seem pretty unhappy with the way exp is pre-75, but the answer is not to make the game more like it used to be. The only thing that was remotely better about exp in the old days was that there were more people your level trying to exp so the odds of finding anyone seeking to exp in Qufim with you were higher. The game needs to continue to adapt to it's smaller/top-heavy playerbase.

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I wish everyone who wanted more active ways to level to 90 had such a positive attitude and a desire to see FFXI adapt to it's player-base.

This post is way more constructive than the usual "THE GAME SHOULD NOT EVOLVE EVER BECAUSE THE T-REX DID NOT EVOLVE INTO ANYTHING AND THE T-REX IS MY FAVORITE DINOSAUR! BRING BACK 6-MAN PARTIES AND KILLING 985374 CRABS AND BIRDS!"

It would be great if Fields of Valor were made more like Grounds of Valor. I still have a level 10-ish job or two that I should level to 49, and that would make the process a lot less monotonous for me.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

So generalizations are bad, and pulling numbers out of nowhere is good. Gotcha.

Also, I don't get why you're mad. I'm agreeing that the OP is wrong and they shouldn't change the entry level for abyssea.

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I'm mad that this topic exists, not at you. Also I may have misread your post, and I apologize for that. I should have made it clear that that number was an example of a very very small minority that I mentioned in the beginning of my post. It's really not hard to see that these idiots that baw and pitchfork for getting rid of abyssea/raising abyssea level cap/whatever are very few in number and are a minority. So when somebody says something like all the returning or new players hate it, I like to point out that there is absolutely no proof for such a statement.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

stuff..

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I think you guys were both saying the same thing. I agree with both of you.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I wish everyone who wanted more active ways to level to 90 had such a positive attitude and a desire to see FFXI adapt to it's player-base.

This post is way more constructive than the usual "THE GAME SHOULD NOT EVOLVE EVER BECAUSE THE T-REX DID NOT EVOLVE INTO ANYTHING AND THE T-REX IS MY FAVORITE DINOSAUR! BRING BACK 6-MAN PARTIES AND KILLING 985374 CRABS AND BIRDS!"

It would be great if Fields of Valor were made more like Grounds of Valor. I still have a level 10-ish job or two that I should level to 49, and that would make the process a lot less monotonous for me.

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Same here. I am leveling a new character at the moment, and I would love if it wasn't just a giant frigging grind. Why are all those books telling me to kill 2 different mobs that don't spawn anywhere near each other, or the books?

I think they need to make EXP outside of abyssea match the EXP inside. That way both pro evolutionists and dinosaurs get their way.

why are we even bothering with one of these threads? The community is never going to come to any kind of consensus...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

why are we even bothering with one of these threads? The community is never going to come to any kind of consensus...

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The smart 3/4s of the community has come to the consensus that the stupid 1/4 of the community is stupid.

Leeching =/= sucky player.

I've played with a WHM who's done nothing but play WHM for years, and he/she is ****ing horrible at it.

No.

Should have gone to Gusgen Mines.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

The smart 3/4s of the community has come to the consensus that the stupid 1/4 of the community is stupid.

Leeching =/= sucky player.

I've played with a WHM who's done nothing but play WHM for years, and he/she is ****ing horrible at it.

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Same here. I did dynamis for a year with this chick who played whm only and sucked ass. We used to constantly joke that raise was more mp efficient than cure.

Its funny I never thought of it like this but removing the ability to leech would actually hurt those who are low level.

Everyone that has wanted to level a job with a decent playtime has already gotten that/those job(s) to 75+ meaning anyone that is low level that doesn't have friends willing to gimp themselves by level syncing would get screwed and end up quitting.

In other words the OP and those few agreeing with it actually want to force lower level players to quit.

Abyssea should have been capped at 70 or 75! However... its so late for that now.

Abyssea leeching makes players bad! What, chain 200 at 75 cap? Musta been bots cause most I saw was #5.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Abyssea leeching makes players bad! What, chain 200 at 75 cap? Musta been bots cause most I saw was #5.

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Only 200 your bots musta been gimps! XD

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Originally Posted by Tunechi

I have come to find out that the community in-game is not helpful or friendly one bit. They seem to be very clique oriented and will IGNORE you because you do not have 7 jobs to 90 or have not been playing for 8 years like them. Not to mention the language barrier cuts the already dwindling population of people online even further (The other half are gil farmers.)

IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STARTING BACK I RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER THIS:

You will need to solo the majority of a game NOT MEANT for soloing. You will not be able to do missions, get a subjob before level 30+ (normally lvl18), level at any respectable rate, and forget about unlocking jobs because it more than likely will not happen without paying people in-game HUGE amounts of gil (YOU WILL BE DIRT POOR) or unless you have been lucky enough to get into a linkshell but even then that promises nothing.

Its funny how a dying games community can be so shallow and cold towards new players. You would think that they would appreciate new players more since it keeps all their level 90 jobs somewhat relevant and keeps THEIR game populated. Instead its just the opposite its about who you know rather than what you know or do that makes or breaks you in this game currently and it will only get worse by the day.

If soloing a un-soloable game is your thing, play this game. If being ignored by other players because they do not know you is your thing, play this game. If playing a game where you can not unlock anything solo but a chocobo at the appropriate level is your thing, play this game. If not, I suggest you play WoW (a game you can solo if needed and can actually find a party) or even... FFXIV, which I have not played yet and with this SE game experience will more than likely not.

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issue is everyone has different experiences as i keep saying. for those who can read, its my opinion your might have a valid point/(S) yes, but there is no need to be calling ppl names cause someone says something you dont agree with please guys keep it clean i only care now for this thread cause its getting a lot of views .i am happy with that lol

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

The smart 3/4s of the community has come to the consensus that the stupid 1/4 of the community is stupid.

Leeching =/= sucky player.

I've played with a WHM who's done nothing but play WHM for years, and he/she is ****ing horrible at it.

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Well I completely agree, but there will always be people resenting the fact that someone else leveled up faster than them.

I find the quoted stuff in the post above completely untrue, I've always been helping people ingame and see lots of people doing it. It's not hard to level, even solo since the EXP for normal monsters was increased and things like grounds of valor came out. Even if you don't leech in abyssea, it's not THAT bad.

It almost makes more sense just soloing the missions now, since the missions don't acknowledge the help or presence of anyone other than yourself anyway it doesn't affect the flavor of the missions.

On my new character, the biggest pain in the ass for me has been running all over hell and creation trying to get all the tele points, outpost, maws, boat passes, talking to 10,000 quest NPCs that don't really have much to say, and trading a million of X item to X person to get fame in X region.