Sooo SE actually wants to know the numbers of PS2 users eh?

You can get a PC to play this game for free more than likely. You don't even need a graphics card (technically). An onboard GPU would work just fine.

On a side note to the OMFG its no fair I have to buy a PC people...

I had to replace scratched game discs 4 times over the years in order to play it on XBOX (at a cost of $40ish a piece). Not to mention the burnt out DVD drive it caused in my 360 because it spun constantly.

Cry me a river.

The point is, there is no excuse to hold back FFXI due to the PS2 other than peoples stubbornness. Quite frankly, I could care less if people prefer the PS2. It's holding back the game and needs to go. I sincerely hope SE is taking steps in this direction.

Ps2 is 10 yrs old? so is FFXI deal with it; if they wanna get rid of Ps2 they should just get rid of FFXI and make everyone go play 14~ I wonder why they haven't.

Seriously who walks out and buys a 10 yr old game?

Why should those who invested in PS2 version suffer. Maybe PCers should have thought about Ps2 possibly holding PC content back before they bought the game.

PC version was released in America first, thanks for the input though

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Key words, I mean cause that matters for a Japanese game?

Final Fantasy XI (ファイナルファンタジーXI Fainaru Fantajī Irebun?), also known as Final Fantasy XI Online, is a MMORPG developed and published by Square (later Square Enix) as part of the Final Fantasy series. It was released in Japan on Sony's PlayStation 2 on May 16, 2002, and was released for Microsoft's Windows-based personal computers in November 2002...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

Read and you might learn something.

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Ps2 is 10 yrs old? so is FFXI deal with it; if they wanna get rid of Ps2 they should just get rid of FFXI and make everyone go play 14~ I wonder why they haven't.

Seriously who walks out and buys a 10 yr old game?

Why should those who invested in PS2 version suffer. Maybe PCers should have thought about Ps2 possibly holding PC content back before they bought the game.

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I would. Can you point me to a store where they sell PS2 and FFXI? I hear its great and I just gotta try it.

I checked Bestbuy, target, walmart, costco.... all I found was new computers and consoles ; ;

after u point me to a Store that sells a $100 notebook that can run this game without probs...

Anyways PS2 probably wouldn't have been limiting another expansion if they had stop wasting memory on unnecessary crap like wotg. Again why should ps2 users be held accountable for their own neglect?

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after u point me to a Store that sells a $100 notebook that can run this game without probs...

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what are you gonna do when your ps2 breaks? go buy another one? what are you typing on now? your cell phone? that can probably run it :P

FYI PS2 + Hard Drive costs about the same as a cheap CPU.

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PC version was released in America first, thanks for the input though

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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If it were only for the PS2 I'd agree. However, as the majority play on the PC it's not a very well thought out argument there.

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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LOL you wanna save FFIV by Killing FFXI.

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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lol. Originally it came out on PC thank you very much. XIV is made for PS3 so no one can play it on PC by your standards either.

Hey i didn't say that I just said it was made for ps2 it should die with ps2... just like i dont want my heart beating in someone else's chest when I kick the bucket. And why shouldn't it, they made 14 and 14 and super fun! IT's almost JUST like FFXI. But even still none of that has relevance to the ignorant argument that any body who can afford to play this game can afford a pc/notebook to play this game a note book costs MORE then a stupid 360 then one must have to rebuy all the stupid disc and stuff. If ps2 dies now sucks for those ppl and SOME of us do have the ps3 and play it on there.

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Ps2 is 10 yrs old? so is FFXI deal with it; if they wanna get rid of Ps2 they should just get rid of FFXI and make everyone go play 14~ I wonder why they haven't.

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Competitors
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Seriously who walks out and buys a 10 yr old game?

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Fail.
The FFXI of 2002 stopped existing in 2004. The FFXI of 2004 stopped existing in 2007.
The current version of FFXI we play is just over a year a old.
FFXI isn't a console game that is forever static, time stamped in the state it was when you first purchased it. It is in constant development. This is the nature of all good modern games.
1- They're online
2 - they involve other people, (real people)
3 - they are constantly expanded upon and refreshed
If you have an itch to just buy whatever is being marketed down your throat or whatever the game magazines say you should be playing/buying, then by all means, there's the door, hope we don't see you again.

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Why should those who invested in PS2 version suffer. Maybe PCers should have thought about Ps2 possibly holding PC content back before they bought the game.

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Those who invested in PS2 way back in 2000 have had over 1.5 billion different titles released on the console.
The 250-500$(depending on where/when/how) they spent on the console has been stretched as far as its going to go.

and by the way, SE is running a business, not a charity. Its sad you are stuck on PS2. take a paper route or something for a month or two and go buy a PC. Or sell lemonade outside of your house. But don't ask everyone else to stop moving forward because you can't keep up with the pace of the race.

yall dont know about my nidra

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Hey i didn't say that I just said it was made for ps2 it should die with ps2... just like i dont want my heart beating in someone else's chest when I kick the bucket. And why shouldn't it, they made 14 and 14 and super fun! IT's almost JUST like FFXI. But even still none of that has relevance to the ignorant argument that any body who can afford to play this game can afford a pc/notebook to play this game a note book costs MORE then a stupid 360 then one must have to rebuy all the stupid disc and stuff. If ps2 dies now sucks for those ppl and SOME of us do have the ps3 and play it on there.

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Then what's your problem? Why do you care about ruinning FFXI? Is it because WE don't like FFXIV? Seriously, you have nothing but biased views.

The fact is PS2 is a piece of crap and needs to go down the toilet for holding FFXI back.

^ which is why ppl should be playing 14

FFXI old~ IDC how many times they update the game the reality of the situation is a game that runs on an engine developed for a ps2 is old. If ppl wanna preach moving forward they should move their beihinds to the new FFXI (FFXIV) which no one likes? and i don't like playing my games on a pc ( and not even sure if i can play this one on it), I wanna play my game on my console. Therefore imma defend it.

I have a beautiful HP HDX 16 laptop that runs FFXIV and FFXI smoothly with no hiccups at all.

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I made something in the toilet. Its fresher than FFXIV, and I had you in mind while I was making it. Want?
its new.

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only if its white and chewy~

Finally there looking to see who actually still uses ps2. Maybe get a real upgrade instead of copy paste etc etc.......

FFXIV is a different game. I like FFXI very much.

Don't like FFXI? Don't want to play FFXI? Don't. Go play FFXIV. I don't mind, you have my permission.

SE, please drop PS2!

I hope this poll is followed by an announcement that starts off with "You've spoken and we listened! now we're taking action. If you have the address of a person with a PS2 please forward it to us. Our special team of Ninjas will be visiting them within the coming month, and silencing them forever. You will be awarded 2 free Mythics and Relics of your choice by participating"

LOL Called it. Zemarin wants FFXI to die because he / she thinks that will save FFXIV.

Bad news.... killing FFXI would most likely just help other gaming companies. Wait!..... Do you work for Blizzard?

lawl I want a laptop for 100 bucks I'm still waiting to hear where someone has claimed they could get one. Cuz that's cheaper then what my cell phone cost me~, that's about the price of my cellphone's monthly plan >_>.

and P.S. I dont like FF14~ but I also am against gaming on my pc, my PC is not even made for gaming. I tried gaming on it and its simply not something I could get used to. But if ppl are on this lets move forward idea, all I ask is why clench on to this old game (that's made for ps2) then?
Why claim how easy and cheap it is to get a pc when its not, why isn't this game supported by the newer slim version of ps3 that's being sold as of now as well? why hasn't SE offered a cheap alternative?

What I find most funny about this game is that it has so much "older" content that could be utilized or added to, which gets pushed back only to add something that's pretty similar the same old crap, just rehashed with a different coating. But anyways I think I made my point. All assumptions that were made about one who would choose to use console version are quite ignorant.
Its not that cheap to buy a pc, and some ppl just dont like gaming on their pc, or already have a pc but just "can't" game on it~ Who knows~? but I'm pretty sure a PC player wouldn't know why someone plays on ps2.

Killing XI would end the free to play days of XIV, which would end XIV because only a fool would pay for that.

stop lying you know FF14 is the funnest game ever. (sarcasm)

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lawl I want a laptop for 100 bucks I'm still waiting to hear where someone has claimed they could get one. Cuz that's cheaper then what my cell phone cost me~, that's about the price of my cellphone's monthly plan >_>.

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Because you can go on craigslist and find one. No, I'm not going to find it for you. Don't be so lazy.

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and P.S. I dont like FF14~ but I also am against gaming on my pc, my PC is not even made for gaming. I tried gaming on it and its simply not something I could get used to. But if ppl are on this lets move forward idea, all I ask is why clench on to this old game (that's made for ps2) then?

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So your argument for keeping the PS2 support is that you don't think anyone should play FFXI at all? great. Well.. Because they can update the game, but they can't update the PS2. Get rid of PS2...... get updated..... easy maths.

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Why claim how easy and cheap it is to get a pc when its not, why isn't this game supported by the newer slim version of ps3 that's being sold as of now as well? why hasn't SE offered a cheap alternative?

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Because most people already have a computer, so it costs SE nothing.

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What I find most funny about this game is that it has so much "older" content that could be utilized or added to, which gets pushed back only to add something that's pretty similar the same old crap, just rehashed with a different coating. But anyways I think I made my point. All assumptions that were made about one who would choose to use console version are quite ignorant.

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We get it. You think FFXI sucks and you want us all to quit.

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Its not that cheap to buy a pc, and some ppl just dont like gaming on their pc, or already have a pc but just "can't" game on it~ Who knows~? but I'm pretty sure a PC player wouldn't know why someone plays on ps2.

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I've played it on all 3 versions. PS2 has absolutely no advantage over PC. You can even use the same controllers. I personally use my xbox 360 controllers because I like wireless.

Given that FFXIV is going nowhere, finding ways to grow what is working is a great idea. Finding out what kind of damage they may end up seeing if they do drop PS2 and choose to make FFXI into the beautiful game FFXIV tried to be.

Somebody in this thread mentioned that 99.9% of pc players use the illegal windower and bots..I'd really like to know where they got their statistics from..I know a lot of ppl that use the pc, laptop or desktop, that don't play againts the ToS. In fact, a number of pc players I know DO use the windower mode that's configured in the PlayonLine-Final Fantasy XI-Final Fantansy XI Config files, but they use it for keeping Wiki up in the background to check on a NM stats or drops, or how to pop it, or whatever, but not for bots or uses against the ToS.
I have seen some YouTube videos where you could see other players HP, MP, TP, distance, that kind of stuff, and I have to agree, that's kind of cool, but I think it's against the ToS. Since I don't plan on getting banned for using any of that, I don't go that route; so I guess I can account for about 10-12 ppl in that .1%. Proof for those stats would need to provided for any kind of action taken.

I also saw where somebody argued against that statement, where it seemed the poster uses PS2, so blooey goes his statement.

I would figure, if they did drop the ps2, at the very least they would give those people an ultimate collection for a platform of there choice. They did say if you played on more than one platform, to check them all... so i guess they'll take that into account also for people that play on the ps2 and other platforms.

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Ps2 is 10 yrs old? so is FFXI deal with it

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Pretty sure FFXI was updated recently. SO OLD.
Also, you can literally get a computer that runs this game for free.
You can generally find people trying to get rid of obsolete computers, most of which can run this game.

If XIV was the equivalent of XI-2, then we'd probably play it.

Either way, to be blunt, I could care less about anyone who is forced to quit because they're too cheap or stubborn to switch to PC/360.
This game could either flourish now and live for at least a couple years to come, or be tied down by the PS2 and be unable to add any new content very soon, leading to a quicker death.

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Somebody in this thread mentioned that 99.9% of pc players use the illegal windower and bots..I'd really like to know where they got their statistics from..I know a lot of ppl that use the pc, laptop or desktop, that don't play againts the ToS. In fact, a number of pc players I know DO use the windower mode that's configured in the PlayonLine-Final Fantasy XI-Final Fantansy XI Config files, but they use it for keeping Wiki up in the background to check on a NM stats or drops, or how to pop it, or whatever, but not for bots or uses against the ToS.
I have seen some YouTube videos where you could see other players HP, MP, TP, distance, that kind of stuff, and I have to agree, that's kind of cool, but I think it's against the ToS. Since I don't plan on getting banned for using any of that, I don't go that route; so I guess I can account for about 10-12 ppl in that .1%. Proof for those stats would need to provided for any kind of action taken.

I also saw where somebody argued against that statement, where it seemed the poster uses PS2, so blooey goes his statement.

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That was me that called him out, because his Signature (which he has changed since then but I quoted it in the post) said that he uses .DAT mods to make the game look the way he wants.

Just to throw my two cents in.

I play on a ps2. I do have limited funds. For those claiming that people that can't afford to go buy a computer immediately shouldn't be playing the game at all, what other activity do you know of that can provide entertainment for the entire month for less than $20 a month? FFXI is a VERY economical way to provide yourself entertainment.

I do also own a computer. I own a Mac because that is virtually required in my field. My Mac is used for work. I work in a field where data is the name of the game. Thus my computer is constantly having new data stored on it and processed. I do not want (because it is not practical in my situation) to partition my computer so that I can run windows and then take precious, limited space for the game. My laptop has other, and frankly more important, uses.

A review of issues in this forum seems to show that the Xbox 360 version has many issues similar to the ps2 version. This may not be true but seems to be from reading the forum.

There is NO ps3 version. It does not exist. You must buy one of the oldest (touchiest) versions of the ps3 that can emulate ps2.

And finally I support SE axing the ps2. It is an old console that was good in its day. But the point of an online game is the growing, expanding, changing nature. Nobody wants to do dynamis forever with no new content to break it up. Eventually abyssea will be replaced for something new and different. If the ps2 cannot keep up, which it can't, then for the sake of the game it must be allowed to fade away. I think SE should simply announce that they are no longer supporting it. You can still play on it but there will be no new updates, patches, etc. I'm not a programmer so maybe this isn't feasible. But SE needs to say something! PS2 users have been begging for help on these forums for a long time now with issues that are not being addressed. SE needs to make a decision and move forward. Period.

But seriously people, please do not confuse your own circumstances and your own privilege with "if you can't go buy a computer and purchase FFXI pc software right now than you have no business playing the game." This is pure ignorance. Nothing else. I can pay my bills. I can pay to play this game. I could, with time to save, purchase a PC to run the game. But the money for this extra expense must come from somewhere! I must divert money from some other place. Maybe not pay as much on a payment. Maybe not spend as much at the grocery store. A lot of maybes. You say "go buy a pc" as if everybody has extra money laying around. Not all of us do. We can handle our expenses but purchasing a new computer, even a cheap one, is an EXTRA expense.

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I think SE should simply announce that they are no longer supporting it. You can still play on it but there will be no new updates, patches, etc. I'm not a programmer so maybe this isn't feasible.

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Unless SE wants to make an announcement and have the PS2 version not work in a month, they'll have to continue patching it. I believe that SE would take a page out of Microsoft's book on how to slowly remove the PS2, and announce a timeline for removing support. Patches would be the last thing to be removed, since you need to have the same version to play on the server.

First, the would announce the timeline and the intention to get people off the PS2. Immediately, sales of PS2 versions of the game would cease. New users who bought the PS2 version would not be able to register an account on the PS2, but instead be prompted to use a PC. If they were so inclined, they could even offer a payment plan for a PC capable of playing it, but this is strictly optional, since SE is not a hardware company. Then, they would make it clear that no more expansions will be made of the PS2. Over the next few months, new content, like Voidwatch, that comes for everyone would still be developed for the PS2 version. After a few months, new content like this would cease, but you would still be able to equip items like this. If an expansion pack for the game is released before the end of the process, PS2 users would only get access to new jobs (if there are any) and gear, but not new areas and quests. After some time, UI features would be added that PS2 users cannot get. Other versions may even get updated textures and other perks that PS2 users do not. Towards the end of this process, as the numbers dwindle, small perks for making your account unable to log onto the PS2 version of the game could be implemented, like a furniture piece. At the complete end, there will be a festival where the PS2 version is deactivated forever.

Additionally, Xbox users could be informed that they must have a larger then 20GB hard drive in order to play (or possibly 20GB hard drives would have to be dedicated to FFXI in order to play) new content, and eventually these too might be phased out.

If SE decides on removing the PS2, it will be a process that takes time, about one to two years notice in a slow process with stages. But it could be done... after all, who expected this game to break 75?

I approve this phase out plan! Maybe at a bit of an accelerated pace but giving people time is a good way to move in the right direction but not anger your fan base. But SE isn't good at that unfortunately.

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Just to throw my two cents in.

I play on a ps2. ....

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...... Not all of us do. We can handle our expenses but purchasing a new computer, even a cheap one, is an EXTRA expense.

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I appreciate your honesty. However. I know that on the very surface buying a computer seems like an additional expense, but the fact of the matter is that PS2 is old. It will eventually break. Most people would immediately reap other benefits of owning a computer that are far and beyond FFXI. It's not just an expensive version of a game. It opens the door to endless entertainment. It allows them to do countless different things that they weren't ever going to do on PS2. Hell, they might even find a job that pays well enough to compensate for the investment.

as for the work computer thing... you can buy a spare hard drive for about $20 and install any version of windows for $11 dollars a month through the windows in tune service if you can't come up with the cash to buy a copy outright. This is just one example of many ways to get off ps2 on the cheap.

also note that you can re install the computer version on as many computers as you have <think work, school, your parents house so your not bored when you go to visit> , and there is no disc to scratch / lose.

And to all of you who "just prefer PS2....." : Complaining that Botters, and Real Money Traders, and people who are jerks in game are ruining it ... and then coming in here and telling other people that the game should be held back just because you prefer it that way on your PS2, is a huge double standard. And if you really play on PS2, then you know you have done it. Don't lie.

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I have a Dell Inspiron 537s but I play FFXI on ps2, and im adamant about keeping it that way. Honestly if a game is made for ps2 it should die wid it. That's wat XIV is for :D

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